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UshiromiyaEva posted...

That's what happens when you drop a game down to $20 or less in under a year, release 3 (or is it 4??) different rereleases, and then regularly put it in sale for single digits, before inevitably just giving it away for free on most platforms.

Yeah, Square was bullish, for sure. And the numbers back that up. But the numbers are still impressive in their own right, you know? You can do the same thing with FFVII Remake, and it isnt hitting the same. A lot went right for FFXV, regardless of whether it did any discernible damage to the IP in the long run.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Noooo way is that true. In fact, if any game is a well poisoner, it's XV. I can't even put into words how much I stopped caring about FF as a brand after that monstrosity came out. Thank God I started XIV on a whim.

Yeah, but like, this is you. I feel you, I do, but I just dont see any remotely universal love for XVI, I really dont!

Let me clarify that I certainly dont think XV is any less divisive. Likely more so, for sure!

colliding posted...

XVI is a good game, but I do think it's also disappointing in that it really did not grow the fanbase or help the brand.

Also, I still feel like PS5's are pretty rare. This is anecdotal evidence and highly limited but when I talk to my students about games, people who actually have PS5's are few and far between. Everyone under 25 grew up with having their own gaming PC's and laptops.

Maybe Sony helped foot the bill for dev costs, and that's why exclusivity made sense, but even I have to admit it's hurt them

Oh, consoles are absolutely going somewhat out of style as younger people begin to constitute a greater market percentage. The idea of being tethered to specifically-branded machines - outside of Nintendos, anyway - is just kind of foreign.

Even the Big N will surely feel it eventually.

I wouldnt say XVIs reception has been terrific, yeah. It isnt a disaster. But it isnt, like spectacular by any stretch.

I think Rebirth is the only modern FF (not counting a couple of XIV expansions) with a truly strong reception. And, like anything, its hardly universal - but you can kind of feel an energy that isnt often there.

XVI is like I dont know. Certainly, there are a fair number of people who love it. I like it a lot! But theres been a lot of backlash, too.

Its virtually impossible to actually calculate all this. Thats just my interpretation of the situation.

MacArrowny posted...

Like trying to marathon the Mass Effect trilogy but the second and third games are as long as the whole ME trilogy combined :p

Remake's tail was awful! However, the real advantage of a series like this is getting people more interested in the earlier games when the new ones come out. I'd bet Remake's had a huge spike in sales since Rebirth's release, and the same will happen for Remake/Rebirth when R3 comes out.

Remakes tail is bad for sure. Hitting seven million several years later and all. But Rebirths has supposedly been worse so far!

I think it's Chain of Memories, too, yeah

mnk posted...

For me it's because I want to know I'll actually have a way of finishing the trilogy before I start. Right now I could play Remake on PS4 or Steam Deck, but I'm not buying a PS5. Even if Rebirth works well enough on Deck (sounds doubtful?), Part 3 certainly won't. So I need to wait for Part 3 to come out and see if there will even be a way for me to play it (Deck 2? Switch 2 trilogy ports?). Only then will I start on Remake.

Makes sense to me, yeah. And when you factor in how unpopular the PS5 is in Japan beyond its apparent role as a F2P gaming machine (which is so weird to me but whatever) there's a lot for Rebirth to stand up against even before we get into all the other reasons it's not selling like hotcakes.

I said this to someone rather in-the-know on Era, but like, Rebirth will be fine in the end. In his own words, "too big to fail" applies here. Aggressive promotions, ports wherever possible, the whole nine yards. It'll almost certainly never get where they had hoped, but it'll get a lot closer over time, even with the "weaker tail than Remake" it's currently suffering.

Too much cash is riding on Part 3 not being an actual disaster, which is possible right now if the numbers don't pick up somewhat, IMO. Just as importantly perhaps, too many resources are already being poured into Part 3! This is a big, highly capable, team that will mostly be tied up on this project for another several years.

colliding posted...

the thing is playing all of these games back to back would probably sour you on the experience

they're designed purposefully to be distinct games. particularly with rebirth, you're really supposed to immerse yourself in it and not speed run it I think.

Yeah, I've tried telling 'em maybe don't do that. It's hard to get through without firsthand context just how particularly these are designed. Especially Rebirth, yeah.

give me all fat tbh

Yup!

Anecdotally, a lot of people have commented on my FF7 Rebirth press event hoodie in public (neat) but at least a third have told me they are waiting for all three games to be out before they start, ha.

Ifrit posted...

Honestly FF7 Remake has been everything I've wanted from it. I still haven't finished Rebirth, but I have had 0 disappointments so far.

The outlet that I reviewed Rebirth on doesnt assign scores. But its a strong 9 from me. Terrific game.

swordz9 posted...

You cant make games like this for Switch without making significant downgrades to make it work either though. Switch is like 8 years old now and something that looks as good as Rebirth wouldve needed massive cuts and basically a brand new version to even be playable on the device. Probably wouldve cost a lot of money to make it work.

You're not wrong, of course. This is, nevertheless, going to hit you hard when your game isn't on there or PC in Japan in 2024.

It's not one thing. I think those in here who have mentioned several factors are likely on the ball here, right? It's several things. It's exclusivity, sure. Particularly in Japan, you don't not put these games on Switch and/or PC these days, you just don't do that. Rebirth's sales are terrible over there, but they're also some of the very best that any PS5 game has delivered.

There's so much else that others in this topic have hit upon, though. Kind of a perfect storm. Frankly, this number could have been worse!

Some sales stuff about a video game, which game? Who knows, I couldn't possibly be specific, but the sales stuff, what ever game I'm talking about, the data is there, and Data is seldom mistaken in Star Trek or reality. I guess you could say that there's a game with a commercial performance atm that I might say "yeah, that data is likely true, too." Again, I don't know what game I'm referencing, and neither do you. But if it was a game making a big splash in media, that might be the one I'm referencing - who is to say? I simply don't have an answer, I couldn't realistically say that I do.

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Anyway, Gongaga's music gets SO DAMN GOOD when you find half the towers, too. I stared at my TV in awe. Love love love it. Rebirth's OST is ridiculously damn strong.

this is probably true Id reckon

not that I would know but imagine if I did - I would thus say yeah this is probable

LordoftheMorons posted...

I really liked the gameplay in 2 but ugh Rex is like my least favorite genre of protagonist

Hwaaaaaa! What do you mean? You're right. I know. But I can't help it. I have to protect everyone! It's what I must do. Pyra... and Nia... and all the rest. I have to protect them.

BUUUUUUUURNING
SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD

I prefer 1 and 3, but 2 is still neat. Its got the most content, too, and I do so love that about it. A 100% clear file takes a looooong time.

Not exactly a net positive for many players, but Im me!

pyresword posted...

("Nearly" only meaning it wasn't quite the only culprit in doing so)

That's kind of funny since every time I see your user name these days I damn near read it as "pyrasword."

Thorn posted...

The concept is neat but it gets annoying at times on some particular checks.

MacArrowny posted...

I like the concept a lot, but I think it could've been handled more elegantly. XB2 is certainly a game that could've used another 3-6 months of polish.

Yeah, definitely fair. There are several reasons Id welcome a Definitive Edition.

Okay hot take time I dont hate Field Skills in Xenoblade Chronicles 2

The last 3D Brawler match at the Gold Saucer is so rapid that I couldnt barely keep up with the memorized animations, so thats not far off the mark

I literally forgot how to view spoiler-tagged text for a moment that's how often I'm here these days whoops

Wild seeing the "YOSHIDA SAYS MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER FFT!" thing from our interview go viral like this when I suggested to Gabrielle (the amazing colleague who conducted the interview for us) that she use the article about Clive in the ending as the side cut instead.

I was a fool

LeonhartFour posted...

get rekt crunches

now get me out of this gym forever

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