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TopicGame of the Decade: 2010-2019 Contest Analysis Crew - Part 0
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03/17/20 11:00:53 AM
#73
Bless the delay I would have forgotten to put an entry in

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Topicmy 5 best and worst picks in contest history
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03/17/20 10:58:21 AM
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transience posted...
I see your point, but that's not true for me and Master Chief.

Okay well, hypothetically speaking then, were someone to pick Sub-Zero there and do so in a way that the pick makes sense (as you can do by comparing to Scorpion and explaining why Sub-Zero should be more popular, as you did) and it panned out I think it's worth considering regardless of whether there's a pattern.

I just think that trying to discredit every pick that fits a pattern as biased is inherently pretty negative. It's like trying to find an excuse to give someone flak for literally every pick involving the character or game they like unless they pick against it which hey as you've given examples of isn't necessarily always the right move either.

Like you can hold all the 51-49 Dante and Master Chief losses against me you want but at the same time I don't feel it's fair to say calling Master Chief to do extremely well (and Dante to a lesser extent, though his was largely in pathing) in four ways should just be discredited cause I like picking the guys in debatable matches since it's still calling something correctly, and for all the poking I get for these picks it's not like I'm picking 60-40s wrong very often. They're all fairly close losses-- extremely close in many cases.

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TopicHow faithful are you?
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03/17/20 9:41:03 AM
#6
34 and I'm kinda surprised I'm in the lower percentiles by the poll.

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Topicmy 5 best and worst picks in contest history
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03/17/20 12:43:04 AM
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transience posted...
I'm just gonna be mr. negative here, I guess. you don't get to claim credit for picking against Ganondorf because you always pick against Ganondorf! I bet you took Auron over Ganon, Magus over Ganon, you name it!

This is a kinda lame way to think.

Like the dude who calls a few fairly close matches wrong not only gets to be ridiculed for being wrong most of the time but also doesn't get any credit for the times it actually works cause "well it's bias." Like Mr Negative is 100% unironically right there cause if you're taking it that way you are being negative with every result.

Like I bet you've bet against Master Chief in every match he's been in but I wouldn't take away credit for the Sub-Zero pick cause it was still a risky pick on paper, just like going with Luigi over Ganondorf, especially since there were reasons to go with Luigi there that weren't bias based (Ganon's performance in SFF matches at that point made it a tempting pick)

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TopicThe Simpsons Mafia Topic 10 - Egad! My Mafia Game is Ruined!
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03/16/20 12:37:28 PM
#259
Side note I didn't help contribute to the death of mafia this time so I can stop being a martyr and feeling bad for being a toxic influence to b8 mafia

Thanks everyone

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TopicThe Simpsons Mafia Topic 10 - Egad! My Mafia Game is Ruined!
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03/16/20 12:35:58 PM
#258
It doesn't need to be your win condition though right?

You said you gained powers when Bart Simpson died why is that point reinforced by talking about a host PM. Just say your role specifically mentions Bart Simpson so he can't be a safelist claim. Like either you're lying about a host PM or you're lying about your ability, either way it's just weighing a lie vs a lie.

Like the only way that reinforces your point is if you were trying to get people to host meta Sultan's tendency to "accidentally leak" something-- which I guess may have been the point but then if that was the intent you can't really be surprised you were modkilled

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TopicThe Simpsons Mafia Topic 10 - Egad! My Mafia Game is Ruined!
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03/16/20 12:08:46 PM
#255
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Except after the next to last mislynch I was going to open the day with a claim that we were actually neighbours and that Han had slipped in the neighbour chat and posted something meant for the scumboard.

I think that's a bad play and probably gets you lynched btw.

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TopicThe Simpsons Mafia Topic 10 - Egad! My Mafia Game is Ruined!
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03/16/20 12:00:43 PM
#253
Flavor claimed Bart. At the start of the game I stated that Bart is scum that I gain powers from killing. Lea said that is wrong because she is Bart. Now the theory is that if Bart was on scum's safe list then Lea could know I was lying and claim Bart. I can confirm that Bart is actual role in the game. This was accidentally leaked to me in a follow-up PM asking for clarification on my ability. I REPEAT, BART IS A REAL ROLE IN THE GAME AND THUS NOT ON ANY SAFE LIST

I'm not even sure why this angle was needed. Like, ignoring the fact that host meta bad etc etc what did this even add to the case that "my role needs Bart to die" does not. Why was the part about the host accidentally leaking important I don't get it.

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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 495: Coronavirus Neck Tattoo
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03/12/20 11:56:36 PM
#287
TheRock1525 posted...
I mean, JRs best run as an announcer was in WWF/E so sometimes it works in someone's favor.

I don't think Vince was screaming at announcers as much back then but maybe I'm wrong

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/11/20 4:04:21 PM
#72
I would say VNs (of which AA is one) hardly even count as a game for the purposes of the difficulties faced in converting the medium

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/11/20 1:31:43 AM
#66
Drakeryn posted...
for instance, Advent Children had a lot less hoop jumping to do. you could say, e.g., "Cloud's characterization is inconsistent with the game" but that's a lot more in line with the differences that scarlet's citing in comic book movies.

On the one hand yes. Heck I'd argue Cloud's personality was closer to the original than Thanos's was.

On the other hand, Advent Children (pretending it was a success for sake of discussion) as a movie I'd argue takes more liberties with FFVII than MCU movies cause the plot arc of it is a completely original creation, to say nothing of how faithful the characters are to the originals. If you made a FFVII movie and had it be successful it's going to need to take liberties with the plot to the point where the plot isn't going to be remotely recognizable. At its core I would say what drives FFVII's plot is Sephiroth's aura and building to the confrontation with him. But like, even ignoring the elements of FFVII's story that are enhanced by the gameplay, there's no way to really properly build that anticipation with the pieces FFVII's plot gives you and still have it work without many more hours of time buffered by random encounters (time sinks with no real purpose, but give the events of the story time to breathe). You'd have to think of a different way to do it, or shift the focus from that entirely.

And while there are more story/character driven games and series that it can be done with slightly less liberties taken, but those aren't the ones with the most to gain by using a video game IP either, y'know? A Metal Gear Solid movie ain't gonna have nearly the drawing power or marketable simplicity of Pokemon or even Sonic really.

That isn't to say it can't be done. Heck if Detective Pikachu actually is really similar to the plot of the game then making say a Super Mario Bros movie based off I dunno Bowser's Inside Story might be the solution. Just finding those weird spinoff games that characterize the mainstream videogame franchises a bit more, but are still written by people who have a great understanding of the world they're writing for.

But it's work, and easy to screw up, so no I don't think seeing a huge boom period for video game movies is a given at any point.

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 10:45:11 PM
#64
Johnbobb posted...
tbh I haven't played the game but I also feel like many Pokemon fans haven't

Same. Knew the general gist of the game but can't honestly refute that it's not at all similar. BUT never seen anyone who has played the game either despite knowing a lot of Poke fans who have seen it so the overall point stands. At that point the movie being based on a game is almost technicality cause the source material you're adapting isn't what your fanbase is familiar with. It'd be like if a there was actually an Earth-458 Hyper Spiderman miniseries that mostly flopped where Peter Parker was Tony Stark's protege or something-- at that point it's still kinda the movie taking liberties.

That being said I'm very skeptical it's actually that close-- if that actually is a direct adaptation of the game or even close to one I'm extremely impressed though!

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 8:02:42 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
Nah, I'm not interested in an adaptation when you change everything about it. Just make an actual original movie at that point.

And this right here is the fine line you need to walk and why video game movies being a slam dunk isn't a sure thing. Like you HAVE to do it, but if it isn't done very carefully then the deviations will piss the target audience off more than draw them in.

So like Detective Pikachu basically does this, but it does so in a way that is palatable to the Pokemon fanbase-- but it's a very difficult thing to do in general I think. You have to write something that's not only high quality but also captures the feel of the original while not actually being the original-- otherwise, as Leon said it's easier to just make a completely fresh movie at that point because you've got a net negative by working with the IP.

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 7:45:23 PM
#50
Let's put it another way

While I know less about comics than you, I knew about all of those changes before you mentioned them aside from specifically how Starlord was altered (unless it's just that Ego isn't his dad in the comics)

None of them compare to the hoop jumping Detective Pikachu had to do to make a plot out of Pokemon that would actually do well as a movie. Like not even a little. There's basically nothing about Detective Pikachu that isn't a completely original creation aside from the designs of the Pokemon themselves. Changing little things about the plots of the movies or details of the characters, yes they do have to make changes for it to gel well as a movie and it isn't a direct retelling of events or characters, but they also lay upon a foundation of events and details about the characters that will appease that fanbase-- that makes that fanbase react in a way that is more receptive to change rather than a defensive one out of the gate where the thinking is the creators are just writing fanfiction that isn't really related to the source material whatsoever.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's really tricky and something I think is much easier for a movie based on a comic book, and one that video game movies will continue to struggle with even as their budgets increase.

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 7:31:37 PM
#45
Oh I see we're doing the thing where you assume no one knows anything about what they're talking about because you're a comic nerd

Bye

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 7:26:26 PM
#43
The Joker did, which hey, one movie out of dozens good job because I disagree the MCU took nearly the number of liberties that video game movies need to or have.

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 7:00:34 PM
#39
scarletspeed7 posted...
Taking a lot of liberties with the source material is the natural pathway to success with 75% of video game movies.

My point isn't that it isn't the natural path to success, just that that it being the natural pathway inherently makes a video game movie more difficult to hit the right spot for than one based on a book or comic book, which comparatively must take much less liberties.

Like you basically have to make an original creation for so much of it, while at the same time being faced with the scrutiny of people who had different visions for what you did based on their experiences with the video game which needed gaps filled in. You limit your potential gains of drawing from the existing fanbase pretty heavily due to doing that while at the same time alienating people unfamiliar with the material. This is less of an issue as the quality of the movies increase and as gaming becomes more mainstream, but I don't see it being a given games are going to touch anything the MCU did. More successes than we'd seen in the previous decade, sure, but to expect more is bold in my eyes.

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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 495: Coronavirus Neck Tattoo
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03/10/20 4:54:17 PM
#170
I'm surprised Triple H hasn't had like a dozen Corporate titles by now-- how many stupid monikers has he had in his career? Has to be at least like 10.

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TopicPrediction: Next decade will see video game movies as the new big thing
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03/10/20 4:48:08 PM
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Yeah I'm not sure I believe video game movies becoming the next big thing is something "anyone with half a brain can figure out"

Detective Pikachu was freakin Pokemon, which is pretty much the most mainstream option available for a video game movie, and took a lot of liberties with the source material to make it work for a movie at that.
Sonic was bolstered by a strange marketing campaign which will be hard to duplicate, and also took a lot of liberties with the source material.

We'll probably see more respectable attempts at making big budget game based movies now but will they just work? I'm not really sure. As Maria said a lot of the appeal to video games as a storytelling medium is in the interactivity. It's not as simple as just throwing big studio money into your favorite video game series and it just clicking. I'd say there's a lot more work needed in the approach taken because comic books give you a lot more to work with in terms of making a movie than video games do-- yes they do take liberties but the structure of a comic book arc is still pretty similar to how a series of movies could play out. Video games you've basically just got the strength of the characters and you have to reinvent the entire story or be reduced to something that only has appeal as raw fanservice.

But then to further complicate that a lot of video game characters only have appeal as characters because of the players identifying with the character due to playing stuff through with them-- is Link well characterized in a way that is going to translate to the big screen? It'd be a hard sell, because Link doesn't really have enough characteristics that are defined in the games to be a fleshed out character so many interpretations of Link are going to be different among his fans, so it's going to be a hit or miss reception by default because the vision of Link as a character among his fans is going to be inconsistent.

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TopicSBAllen vs CJayC who is better admin?
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03/07/20 12:31:09 PM
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Well the site basically stopped growing in 2007 and had a gradual decline born of stagnation since

You could say that's a coincidence but yeah. I feel like CJayC with the wheel for 13 years would actually have some ideas to help keep the site relevant

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Topicmy 5 best and worst picks in contest history
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03/06/20 10:17:07 AM
#153
You had to believe in Kerrigan to pick that with any reasonable level of doubt on Vincent and yeah I never recalled him singing her praises whatsoever.

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Topicmy 5 best and worst picks in contest history
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03/06/20 10:11:27 AM
#148
Honestly like I figure it's something from the first contest he predicted before he looked at the board much

Like I have a 2003 bracket that has all sorts of stupid crap in it. Stupid by my standards, and keep in mind what that actually means. Like to put it in perspective I think I actually had Cloud winning that year and still wasn't even close to the leaderboard.

If I was to make a topic like this though I'd probably leave 03 and 04 out cause it's less entertaining to read about why I picked Ken Masters over Sonic the Hedgehog vs stuff with actual board discussion

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Topicmy 5 best and worst picks in contest history
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03/06/20 10:05:45 AM
#144
I don't think Kefka > Crono is as bad a pick as the percentages imply. I'd call like Terra > Dante a worse pick. I don't think tran had that though. And I don't think he had the other famously bad pick from that division either. So what could it be???

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TopicAce Attorney Trilogy Mafia Topic 7: I Just Want Love
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03/04/20 11:31:30 PM
#243
I dislike overly strong safelists so I can't get too down on that. Heck I've won two games as scum/SK by claiming stuff that isn't safelisred.

Ulti's role was broken though. Entertaining read but broken.

Also 5tarscream saying he was saying to lynch red's tracker claim in literature mafia and not me when he had a power role when I just did it off pure read was a total scumtell !!

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TopicUnban Ulti from Discord for Contest Season!
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03/04/20 7:46:21 PM
#171
Bossman_Coolguy posted...
peak m4 greengravy294 was so incredibly obnoxious and unstable, and i even wasn't banned rrom discord.

You don't upset the same circles Ulti does. If anything you're proving my point because you likely were more obnoxious than Ulti ever was

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TopicUnban Ulti from Discord for Contest Season!
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03/04/20 7:37:04 PM
#168
Maybe if there wasn't quite so much pandering to the people who basically live on the Discord more people would be encouraged to go there more often.

Like the fact that a guy can be banned because a very small but very obsessive portion of the userbase unanimously dislikes him definitely discourages me from participating in things other than occasional fringe side rooms, I'll say that much.

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TopicUnban Ulti from Discord for Contest Season!
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03/04/20 1:56:31 PM
#63
Ulti ain't the problem with the Discord it's just implausible to ban enough people to fix the real problem so he's left as the scapegoat.

Free Ulti

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TopicMy computer is back up, take your guesses what the problem was
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03/04/20 1:51:07 PM
#27
Yup not too surprising. Had it as cooling > hard drive > video card as likely. Thought you had dled the thing to monitor temps though which is why I wasn't harping on temps as much guess not!

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TopicWhat's the best you've done in a contest?
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03/03/20 3:59:53 PM
#53
I didn't pick Cloud > Link!

I had Link > Master Chief. Which I honestly think could have panned out if not for L-Block getting in the way.

That's not to say L-Block didn't possibly save me points in other places but for the purposes of the final it only helped if over the field if Link > Cloud happened (which wasn't out of the question to be fair)

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TopicWhat's the best you've done in a contest?
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03/03/20 12:00:59 PM
#48
6th in 2007. I actually understood 4 way theory more than most people

Of course in 2008 I did like crap because I was no longer ahead of the curve

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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 494: But The Stock Is Up!
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03/02/20 3:46:19 PM
#488
Strife2 is the LMS of pro wrestling

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TopicWhat was your first RPG?
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02/28/20 11:31:51 AM
#74
Final Fantasy 1

FF7 was my first PlayStation RPG so that's something

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TopicAce Attorney Trilogy Mafia Signups
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02/22/20 6:27:18 PM
#40
Sorry this one is ill timed. I can't even half ass it

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/22/20 5:36:31 PM
#459
I was planning on coming back later and moving back to Scare. Would it have worked. Probably not. Secondary path to victory is hoping Hb kills Chris after my "honest" swap to Chris. I definitely can't win if I'm alive this day though cause I'm not posting in mafia on a weekend so scumhammer of Chris is a losing move

I think Ben and I had a solid game though and could have won if I had all the time to play. Sultan eh, Ulti kinda threw but I get why he did it in the moment. Just needed to not have the hole in the logic.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 6:17:39 PM
#230
##Unvote:
##Vote: Chris

So I'm driving to an urgent care facility that's like an hour and a half away (this isn't 'urgent' in the sense that I'm super sick but I just want diagnosis now and it's my most cost effective option) and think this vote is a bit better. May re-evaluate if day is still up when I can be looking at my phone again.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 4:39:46 PM
#194
You never know it could happen. So many twists today.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 4:29:08 PM
#186
Maybe we can bring someone else up to 2 for sport.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 4:15:40 PM
#175
##Unvote:
##Vote: Scare

LOOK AT ME COMPROMISING GUYS.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 4:14:23 PM
#173
I will say that if I have a town read on Hb, Scare as scum looks much more plausible.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 4:12:49 PM
#171
Like the key in calling someone town isn't that you're right or wrong, it's the thought process that leads you to being right or wrong. I don't feel Chris's thought process has been there. He is town clearing people so he can POE easy targets, and justify him being town. That's the motivation.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 4:10:05 PM
#168
I'll keep it brief. I think the fact that you haven't hammered yet means I was probably off on you being scum.

With that in mind, I would say the likely scum team is going to be some grouping of:

Chris + Ben
Chris + Death
Scare + Ben
Scare + Death

I think Chris is a must lynch tomorrow though given the strong linking of Death/Ben to him and it being too perfect as a two man scumteam gambit, so if it's Scare + ??? they've already won if I'm lynched.

Ultimately lynching Chris is better as a damage control move because he absolutely has to be tested, if you're not 100% sure on me. I would be sure you're sure before making the vote. I get that it's easy to vote for me here since I suspected you and Chris calls you confirmed town, but I would argue Chris hasn't been solving the game and has just been making tunnels of opportunity (Lea, Red, then Scare-- reread Chris's bulletpointed thing on Scare and then reread topic 1 and look how loaded his town clearing of you is. Even dead town disagree with his assessment.) and as such needs to be taken off the table.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 3:34:12 PM
#149
Spur of the moment I thought Chris was a better lynch than Ulti so you damn right I would have swapped back then. I lynched Ulti as a compromise because it was a guy on my scum list and it seemed like a slip, but I hadn't fully digested the implications of said slip in the chaos-- with a long time to digest it, maybe I go Ulti over Chris as a non compromise vote it's hard to really know.

Was really only in light of Ulti's flip and the circumstances where scum Ulti does that to scum Chris vs town Chris and role meta I didn't obtain till later did I get doubts that Chris is scum.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 3:07:32 PM
#133
Well Ben, Death and Hb almost certainly won't vote Chris so ultimately your vote probably doesn't matter anyway!

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 2:57:45 PM
#131
Not sure I'll finish the scare vs Hb olympics-- work is kicking up and I think I may be coming down with pneumonia to boot (my weekend distraction had it a few weeks ago and I'm an idiot and took care of her then so I'm going to an urgent care facility to check on it later today. May just be hypochondria though too.)

I will say the first topic being read as so town cleary of Hb does make me a bit more suspicious of Chris though. Like I get a feeling that the reread was not done in earnest and was done with the explicit goal of forming a case on Scare. His reads of Death and Ben seem entirely based on giving reason to believe he is town too.

If we remove the idea that scum Ulti pushing scum Chris there seems out of character, and the meta that there must be an unlockable doctor, the case on Chris seems solid, so it should probably be resolved today.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 12:47:16 PM
#75
Here is episode one of the Hb vs Scare olympics

Hb - T1
Attacks Corrik to claim
Attacked by IGCD for faked rage as Chris noted-- note that in spite of this, IGCD never actually pushes the attack or votes him and largely ignores him going forward
'Convinced' by puns to vote Chris
Sultan calls Hb + Sbell (wrongly in the case of the latter) weird for reacting to Corrik as they did. I would note that because he puts Hb with a group at first this is an indirect attack, not as brazen as Chris claims.
Sultan further splits his attack avenue by putting Corrik in there, this is kinda weird to the point where 5tarscream calls Sultan + Hb potential scumbuddies.
IGCD later asks Sbell how Corrik/Hb looks worse for HB, indirectly defending him

Scare - T1
AFK for most of the topic. He's "in spirit" on Hb

Right now Hb looks worse by far. Chris is really reading into a lot of these scum interactions in an overly favorable way I think to townclear a guy he has gut on when really I feel they're neutral at worst. THUS FAR.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 12:23:41 PM
#62
I think Scare is wrong, but that's largely because I don't think a Scare/Hb scumteam is viable and I think Hb is scum.

So if we absolutely can't lynch Hb I guess I could compromise to Scare. Let me iso (named after the famous mtg mafia player iso) Hb and see if I'm just making things up.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 12:18:23 PM
#60
It was a long con by villainous scum IGCD and Sultan!! Long had they had been planning for this day...

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 12:15:23 PM
#55
I think I've got a good resume even though very few people acknowledge it!

But I still don't like spearheading things that are wrong. If I get mislynched or there's a bad lynch that I wasn't fully behind it's easier to stomach because hey it wasn't necessarily me that misplayed, really. I mean people can think people are scummy for anything, and not all of it is gonna be right so a mislynch or two doesn't bug me. Hell I'm literally getting suspicion because I'm playing "too well" (when I've afked like half the game due to not caring to play this on weekends and have felt this is a fairly weak game for me) so I mean yeah.

But like, Lea had so many people saying "yeah this person is scum" and I pretty much argued her from death and it's like, yeah, when I get something like that wrong it cuts deep.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 12:07:57 PM
#45
Well me I'd be very mad. I'd have single handedly thrown an easy scum lynch pretty much.

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TopicAdventure Time Mafia! Topic 8 - Come Along With Me
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02/20/20 12:00:37 PM
#38
If only I had been unlocked I bet my war elephant for two would find a second vote and I could have all the power to lynch two suspicions at once

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