Lurker > RobertMuldoon

LightSnake posted...

No I don't. And you can stop now. You've already shown your entire ass with this. It's a little late to walk it back. I have never defended AIPAC's positions on Israel here. I've merely said using them as a synonym for "Jew" with straight antisemitism is wrong. something I would think most reasonable people should agree on. Wonder why you don't

Even dustino knows you've crossed the line. They just can't admit it.

Even if that were true how does that make me anti Semetic? I never disagreed with what you said about how one shouldn't equate it to all Jewish people either.

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, dude. My "support" of AIPAC was limited to "hey, saying AIPAC are evil puppet masters in races they're not involved in sounds like classic antisemitism," something you seem real keen on avoiding and downplaying so you can troll.

Post on your main or you're just getting blocked. It's pretty amazing how Jewish people on this board can be vocally against Israel's genocide, but also commenting about antisemitism brings out the trolls to shriek abuse at them wherever they can.

You keep trying to make any criticism of AIPAC as an anti-Semetic thing when nobody says anything like what you say. It's fucked that you keep doing that and accusing people of it.

Tmaster148 posted...

It's okay. Trump is planning on starting a local genocide against US citizens. It's very good that we've taken such a hard stance against AIPAC to get here today.

Odd thing to say.

LightSnake posted...

Hey, so this person is very clearly thinks that saying "AIPAC are evil puppet masters in everything" is fine. Maybe you want to walk this back just a bit.

Show me where this happened. It's simple:
AIPAC is a lobbying group focused on supporting Israel. Israel is committing a genocide. Therefore supporting or defending a lobbying group of a country that is engaging a genocide is bad.

LightSnake posted...

And what "point?" You just said "you defend AIPAC."

Because it's another stain on your own credibility.

lmao, case in point. No, criticizing AIPAC is not automatically antisemitism. Decrying AIPAC in races AIPAC is not even involved as some nefarious all controlling JEwish lobby? Yeah, I think that's a little different. don't you?

Where did I do that? And you said that since I brought up AIPAC it must be for antiSemetic reasons.

Tell us, what was the "defense of AIPAC?" That using it as an all controlling, all powerful puppetmaster with classical antisemitism tropes even in races AIPAC didn't spend a cent in might be a little off?

AIPAC is a lobbying that's about Israel's interests right? Israel is currently engaged in genocide right? That's why it's bad and that's why it's bad to defend it.

LightSnake posted...

And whoooosh went the goalposts.

Can't even give a modicum of credit on Dems when they do good things. It doesn't speak well to your credibility, tbh.

I give Democrats credit, not just Schumer who you're determined to defend no matter what.

You ARE an alt. You've admitted it. It's cowardly bullshit.

Yeah, I'm an alt. So what if I don't post on my main? What really is the difference? You call me a coward but deflect every time you can't justify some terrible viewpoint. All this started because you couldn't argue a point so you deflected.

Why should I bother with some cowardly alt trying to troll me with "You defend AIPAC!" Which seems to amount to calling people out for substituting AIPAC for Jews rather than any defense of AIPAC on their merits, but...

So calling out AIPAC is automatically anti Semitism to you? That's some Bibi Netanyahu tactics. Same for you going "But Hamas!" in that one topic about Palestinians defending themselves.

LightSnake posted...

The government is currently shut down because Schumer is fighting Trump and he's getting absolutely zero credit from people.It's good of you to admit this is because of your hang ups about Schumer needing an outlet as opposed to anything real and substantive, though.

He or really the Democrats as a whole finally did something because they had to after how many stern letters and finger waving to Trump? You act like he had this master plan the whole time. Also way to ignore the rest of that.

Also, have the guts to just post on your main.

Have guts to respond to points made against you instead of deflecting to "lol ur an alt!" like that matters.

Attacking Dems gets more play here because a lot of people on this board wholly immerse themselves in social media that tells them Democrats are bad and they never branch out of it. They're mostly mad about this because the accounts they follow tell them to be mad about it and any justifications come after.

There are a number of people who who absolutely hate on Dems more than they do Republicans.

Some are like that. I've said so and they're idiots and some are shit stirrers who aren't even Americans, I've noticed, but certain liberals here take any criticism towards Democrats and call posters COGs and secret Republicans or say that any criticism of Democrats helps Republicans. There would be kind of a point to that if posters here were social media stars and had a massive audience, but we're all just posters on a dying video game website.

mybbqrules posted...

No, I'm specifically pointing out how the same cast of characters who insist that they're die hard democrats do nothing but slam democrats at every turn, and how that makes their claim of being die hard democrats extremely dubious at best.

Also, post on your main.

The thing is some here act like any criticism of Democrats means it has to come from "COGs" or secret MAGAs. Several of the people you guys accuse of being those post in topics about Republicans. You're right about some posters here, but the problem is the left and progressives in general get lumped in with the actual idiots and shit stirrers.

Topics about Democrats get more posts because most of this board outside a few chud trolls agree that Republicans and Trump are bad. There isn't much arguing or back and forth there. Topics about Democrats are more nuanced and there is actual discussion or arguments going on. Some of you take that as Democrats getting hated on more than Republicans when it mostly isn't.

And speaking of Schumer, this is the guy who said "It's my job to keep the left pro Israel". The country currently engaged in a genocide. It's an oldish quote, but he hasn't really acted differently. That on top of his general limpness in fighting Trump and Republicans makes him so unlikable. Some here act like us mean lefties are ganging up on poor Chuck.

If he did vote for him, he must feel that mentioning it must be some kind of negative. It's odd.

And if some of you asked someone a year ago who they voted for and they avoided the question, what would you think? You'd think they voted for the other sex pest and don't want to admit it.

Tmaster148 posted...

Shock voted for a joke candidate so I'm not sure why you think he validates you.

It's not wrong no matter who says it.

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"It's ok when the party does it."

LightSnake posted...

Someone hiding behind an alt isn't worth a conversation

Keep deflecting.

Tmaster148 posted...

People are free to not disclose who they voted for. Unless you feel that we shouldn't live in a few country.

Put it like this you refuse to say your main yet you want someone to disclose their vote.

I'm not a US senator and prominent member of the Democratic Party avoiding commentating on the mayoral election of the biggest city in the country in which I'm also from and partly represent. A mayoral election that contained a leftist, a sex pest, and a lunatic.

Like what Shock said you guys hold gamefaqs posters to a higher standard than actual politicians.

A_Good_Boy posted...

People have been saying that Dem leadership is poor and their messaging is awful. What better way to counter that narrative then endorsing an extremely popular candidate for mayor that doesn't exhibit those issues?

This

LightSnake posted...

Post on your main. Have the courage to talk to me with your actual account.

Says the person trying to avoid explaining things when called out.

mybbqrules posted...

Hilarious. Any topic about republicans fucking things up and its radio silence.

But a topic slamming dems? 4 CoGs on the first page.

Totally dems though, you guys!

There are topics about Republicans and Trump all the time here. I dont know why some of you keep acting like there is no criticism of the right ever on this board.

LightSnake posted...

Post on your main

No. Quit deflecting.

LightSnake posted...

How about this: I'll have a conversation with you when you have the courage to post on your main.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Oh yeah that Muldoon is an alt, I've grown slack in checking people whose names I don't recognize.

I've admitted I'm an alt, but so what?

Tmaster148 posted...

Not really. How many public figures go out and say who they voted for?

Come on now. In an election between a leftist, a sex offender, and a crazy person, why would you not say who you voted for?

LightSnake posted...

I love that I have a hatedom dedicated to fetching old accounts nobody has ever seen before to come in and say these things.

You denying it?

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Now I'm sure you have evidence of that.

Is it not strange that he's avoiding answering who he voted for? If he did vote for Mamdani why not say so?

A_Good_Boy posted...

"Why do people keep on giving us attention?", said the group of people that spent over a year begging for attention. "Nobody even cares about Palestine anyways.", says the group of people that spent over a year telling people to abandon Democrats in protest over Palestine. "Don't they know how few of us there are?", said by the group of people that took victory laps when Harris lost, because at the time they attributed Trump's victory to Gaza finally being able to speak.

I'm not a protest voter though. I've said before that they're idiots. I think that looking up various stories of death and destruction and the loss of rights just to post here just to rub it in certain peoples faces is in bad taste. How many protest voters are still here anyhow? How many weren't just trolling? Not to mention Humble scouring reddit and twitter to find the nuttiest of nutcases and using them to stereotype and bash all of the left and progressives as a whole. It all seems like him stirring the pot and causing arguments between liberals and leftists.

reincarnator07 posted...

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/

It wouldn't have changed anything. You know this. Kamala was basically assured to lose due mostly to reasons out of her control.

This

manila2k1 posted...

I get the same Islamophobic vibe from him too. I have for a while now.

Same. He finds stories of some Muslims being stupid and uses them to stereotype all Muslims.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Methinks you protest too much.

A lot of TC's topics and posts are basically "Here's something going bad regarding Palestine. I guess those protestors should have voted Kamala shouldn't they have hmmmmm?" with a smug face.

LS also defends AIPAC. Just putting that out there.

With the amount of times you post about bad news regarding Palestine and related issues I think you secretly like all of this because your topics have this sick smug glee to them. You just keep wanting to tell "I told you so" to the protest voters you keep bringing up who aren't even the main reason why Harris lost and equate them to all the sicko Trump chuds who love all this death and destruction.

WingsOfGood posted...

no one has 100% fealty to the democrats

this is a lie MAGA loves to act like

if you don't constantly shit on some dem like Biden you must be someone who constantly has fealty to them!

no, that isn't even close to any reality

we do see that happen with Trumpers though

I asked if any criticism at all counts as helping Trump and that poster answered yes. That was what I was talking about. What else does that sound like other than "never criticize Democrats ever"?

havean776 posted...

Right now? Yes.

These protestors wasting their time and energy targeting Harris and Biden are one thing, but no criticism ever?

But frankly you shouldn't worry. The GOP now control the voting machines, Trump is looking to run another Term and as he said "You will never have to vote again".

So the battle is probably already lost. Last election really was important but oh well, some where to moral to fight.

Now you're insinuating I approve of Trump or was a protest voter.

havean776 posted...

Do you mean you can';t criticize them without people arguing with you?

havean776 posted...

Correct. Notice how Republicans always have a high reliable voter turn out. They stick to their party no matter what. Dems have people constatly stabbing them for not being moral enougth every step of the way.

You don't think that's not extreme at all? Do you want 100% fealty to the Democratic Party and everyone should pretend they're all perfect?

havean776 posted...

So you can criticize Democrats?

Now you're being a smart allec when you know what people mean when they say that.

WingsOfGood posted...

it is not an accusation when you just did the action

Any criticism towards a Democrat helps Trump?

havean776 posted...

Why what happens when you criticize the Democrats?

You get accused of helping Trump.

BlackScythe0 posted...

This topic isn't necessarily about "democrats in general" and was more specifically about how a specific group of people keeps working to make democrats look worse than Trump when Trump actively supports the genocide of the Palestinian people.

Given Harris was Biden's VP it's not that much of a digression to talk about him.

It makes sense to talk about Harris and Biden more than Trump in a topic about Democrats. Trump gets rightfully trashed in every topic about him and Republicans by 99% of the posters here. Topics criticizing Democrats here aren't going to hurt anything.

And with some of the posts here ITT, some really need to stop saying "Nobody said you can't criticize Democrats".

Jagus posted...

I was not an "abandon Harris" person. I encouraged people to vote for Harris. You are lumping me in with people I don't belong to, I voted Harris. If you don't care about who I voted for, you're just getting offended for no reason. Stop blindly defending evil people.

This is a problem among some liberals. They generalize all criticism of Democrats as coming from tankies, the far left, and "COG"s.

sfcalimari posted...

We'll never get a postmortem of 2024 like we did for 2016 because the media is fascist now, but my theory is still that endless shitposting by berniebuster tankie types and their boosting by the media made a lot of potential centrist Kamala voters tune out and lose the will to vote. Those people tend to be the most low information, least motivated voters. And I imagine they were already not that motivated by a black woman from California.

Schrodinger's leftist: Both a small, insignificant minority who are a joke and should never be listened to ever, yet holds massive influence. When in doubt, punch left.

This isn't even me defending the idiot tankies and other dumbass leftists who would never be happy with any Democrat ever. Every election Democrats lose is now supposedly the fault of the left now and all of the left in general get roped in with the idiots now. I'd put the media's obvious pro Trump bias and many Americans' general stupidity in front of the whiny internet left for why Trump won.

It's no exaggeration to say conservatives are evil.

reincarnator07 posted...

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition

No, they didn't.

That doesn't count for some reason. I think the protest voters were fucking stupid and at the worst time, but the way some here blame them like they were the sole reason for Trump's win is ridiculous. They also use those protestors to blame all progressives and leftists as well. It's just more spiteful punching left by some liberals. It's 2016 all over again. Instead of Bernie and progressives supposedly causing Trump's win, it's the protest voters and people being mean to Democrats and nothing else. Not Americans generally being stupid, not the media's obvious bias towards Trump, not the voter suppression.

They complain about circular firing squads and people going after Democrats more than Republicans, but they do the same thing. Look at how they go after the left more than they do Republicans.

I don't agree with protestors about everything, but sometimes I think certain liberals would mock what they say no matter what. I get a vibe that some are gleeful that things have gotten worse for Palestine just so they can rub in the "COGS" faces, especially Humble here.

tremain07 posted...

then blame joe Biden and democrats and Garland for putting us in this nightmare

They have their share of the blame just like the voters, the media, and so many else. They're aren't the sole reason like some claim, but they're a big reason.

I find it kind of messed up that some people's first thought about this sort of thing is to make the same old smart aleck comments towards protestors instead of criticizing the fascists. What happened to "why aren't you criticizing the Republicans?"

LightSnake posted...

I don't fully disagree. Some of it is residual PTSD from 2016 where the election was close enough you could believe anything swung it. But it's also that this keeps happening and when people make a point of loudly shouting "Capitulate or lose" and then the loss happens...that well's been poisoned.

I kind of understand you there. 2016 needs to be let go at this point for the sake of everyone on both "sides" (we're really on the same one). I also understand how some of the most vocal and demanding leftists can be annoying as well. They annoy the rest of us on the left too.

I also don't disagree with this, but keep in mind this goes both ways

It does certainly.

I think a lot of liberals are also sick of hearing how they would've tied John Brown's noose themselves because thye say Defund the Police is a bad slogan and how Trump is "just a symptom" of the working class's pained discontent. There's blame enough to go around.

Oh I'd be sick of that too because that's ridiculous to say. I'd like to think that those kind of comments come from a loud minority who will never be happy with anything. It doesn't help that those types get propped up here and elsewhere for whatever reason. There's an agenda to keep all of us on the left split from one another. For here on Gamefaqs, it may just be to troll and to shit stir, but those in power benefit from the infighting regardless.

I think if everybody left out the snark, the name calling, the blaming, and the hard feelings of the past we could all reason together.

When a copaganda show isn't on your side it says something.

LightSnake posted...

again:

you have to do what we say or you lose! Give us what we want and nobody gets hurt! Is always followed by were just smol beans dont be mad at us!!

Some on the left are nuts and acted like they were more influential than they really are. That doesn't change the fact that it wasn't the left who caused Harris' loss. Besides, some liberals do it hte other way. The left are small and inconsequential and shouldn't be listened to, but also are hugely influential and can cause election losses.

If certain liberals complain about how the left are picking the wrong targets to go after, then they should practice what they preach.

also tired of hearing how liberals and Dems etc dont criticize republicans.

And us on the left are tired about hearing how we don't criticize Republicans or don't do it enough. I didn't even say that liberals don't criticize the right. I said some go after the left more than the right.

I don't see why there's so much focus on the COG's and acting like the election loss was the left's fault when it wasn't anyway. Some liberals pretend the left has this huge influential sway on moderates and the average American and they caused Kamala's loss.

They get more mad at the left than Republicans, the media that enabled Trump and the right, and the moderates who voted Trump or stayed home. Is this not similar to when they complain about others criticizing Democrats more than Republicans?

LightSnake posted...

She doesn't vote. She can effect literally nothing. People on this board want to squawk there should be an age limit (which isn't constitutional) while making excuses for the gerontocracy they like

It's the principle of the thing. Democrats have a bad habit of clinging to their office to long and it causing problems. Bernie needs to retire as well, but I dislike how every time this criticism is brought up, there's a "But Bernie!" response almost every time. Yes, there a hypocrites out there, but why is pointing out the hypocrisy of some on the left the first idea and action of some liberals instead of recognizing very elder politicians can be a legitimate problem? Why continue to defend this "system" regardless?

Westernwolf4 posted...

How about we just agree that doing anything during the 2024 election other than voting for Harris, no matter the reason, was a huge and completely foreseeable mistake? And, that every person who made that mistake, regardless of how much or little it ultimately swayed the election, should have known better and contributed to the ghastly government we find ourselves under?

Project 2025 was right there for everyone to read. And, during a whole first term and decades in public life before that, Trump was screaming exactly who he was through a bullhorn. I have no sympathy for any Trump voter or non-voter.

That's pretty much what I said. They contributed
to the problem no doubt. I'm not excusing that.

It's just most of what I see are blaming them and only them. The smart allec jokes at Gaza's expense seems a little distasteful to me. It's not about pointing out how Gaza is worse now under Trump, but the way some posters do it.

Strider102 posted...

I mean, they did accept responsibility through their own words, so if they want to accept responsibility they can accept blame.

Who does though outside a few posters here? I've noticed some of the loudest ones aren't even Americans.

Not to defend them, but why do people keep acting like the Gaza protestors were the cause of Harris' loss when isn't there data that says it was the moderates who stayed home? It's stupid to think Trump would be better for anything, but they're not the main reason we have him even if they partly contributed. I just keep seeing smart allec responses towards them than most everyone else.

Humble_Novice posted...

This is a topic about Sanders and AOC accused of being genocide deniers. In what way do you believe that it's somehow bashing actual leftists? Some of you can't help but overreact whenever there's a topic about tankies.

You obviously blame the left as a whole for being 'champions of Gaza' and supposedly causing the election to be lost even when information says otherwise. Muslims and Palestinians too given your tendency to make topics about them. You make snide comments all the time about all those groups.

We get it. Tankies suck. 99% of the board agrees that they suck. You have an almost habit of finding some tankie nutcase and making a topic going "Wow, look at how insane the left is!'. It's like you're trying to make the left as a whole out to be tankies. Nobody would be calling you out if you didn't make this same kind of topic over and over.

SecretBase posted...

Don't defend this shitty decision. The words of some dumbass young adult have nothing to do with the countless innocent people France is using her as an excuse to leave to die.

I seriously think HN enjoys this sort of thing.

It's going to keep happening as long as America keeps letting it happen.

Humble_Novice posted...

Thank goodness French liberals and leftists came together to strategically ensure Macron's victory last year. Now if only their American counterparts had learned this lesson.

Wasn't it the moderates who actually didn't vote? You keep going after the left.

We have a literal fascist problem here in America amongst all the other issues that have been going on for a long time, but some politicians are more worried about people not being unquestionably devoted to a foreign country.

I bet you couldn't wait to post about this one.

What were these people expecting when Trump won?

Not defending these idiots but to be fair a strongly worded letter is what Democrats themselves are doing.

LightSnake posted...

Representing AIPAC as a unique evil when most of it (really, petty much all of it) is US citizens who have Israel as a major political issue for them and AIPAC has frequently and famously not gotten its way in many circumstances. People on the left, for some reason, would rather just use age old antisemitism, just sub in "AIPAC" or plausible deniability.

If you think some people don't twig to that when they hear "AIPAC owns" a politician they don't even donate to, and then cover it up with "Well, AIPAC is still bad," well

When it's a politician who doesn't take AIPAC money, sure. If politicians or political parties take AIPAC money, saying AIPAC or Israel owning them is pretty much true. There's no anti-Semitism intended there, but others want to conflate the two. If a politician takes Chinese or Russian money, then those countries own them too.

Compsognathus posted...

The point isn't that AIPAC having influence isn't bad. Many agree that it's at the very minimum worrisome that a PAC with strong foreign-interest being that important is a problem.

The point is that blindly claiming a politician is owned by AIPAC without actual evidence feeds into the antisemitic "Jews run the world" stereotype.

Now if you wanted to say that Cuomo has strong ties to Netanyahu and the Israeli government and that concerns you, by all means do so. There is evidence to support that. But leave the AIPAC accusations to the candidates that are actively receiving AIPAC funds.

That's why I mentioned I can't speak about Cuomo. That's all understandable, but someone like LS defends AIPAC like it's not what it is. That's my issue. And pairing AIPAC to actual anti-Semitism is a problem. Saying politicians who take AIPAC money is not the same as "Jews run the world".

LightSnake posted...

I never cease to be amazed at the lack of self reflection in this

Answer the question.

LightSnake posted...

Maybe one day you guys will figure out how this actually sounds to Jews when you use "OWNED BY AIPAC" for any politician you dislike even if they're not getting any money from them.

Can't speak about Cuomo in particular here, but politicians getting money from a PAC that's focused on a foreign country should be an issue. It's obvious AIPAC and Israel have some sort of control over many politicians. Are we not supposed to be bothered by this?