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HashtagSEP posted...

I like how Diceheist posted something that was completely wrong, then had to move the goalposts so that he could continue to side with Musk.

I made an incorrect assumption, which I discovered and admitted was false before needing to be corrected by anyone else. If I had found info that debunked any critique of the deal I would've admitted my initial stance was also false. Unfortunately it wasn't, since refusing the highest cash bidder is ridiculous.

Necronmon posted...

The problem is that its pepole like Musk and Trump who screwed many folks out of a future...but because of the brainwashing they just doubled down to blame minorities and woman and" Woke" instead of CEO's and gave ALL the power to the same pepole that will now screw everyone over completely.( Facedesks)

Each is responsible for different unfavorable social dynamics.

Republicans protect the wealthy elite and blame social activists.

Bernie-style progressives protect social activists and blame the wealthy elite.

Either movement is fine with a disgruntled guy. He just needs a target.

The problem mainstream Democrats have is that they're both corporate and woke... So no matter what perspective the disgruntled guy looks at it from, they're the face of the very punchable establishment, They make themselves the target.

totalnerdken posted...

Tate has done nothing except push toxic masculinity and promoting patriarchy. Fuck that piece of shit. All he's done is make men's lives worse.

Men only turn to guys like Tate because what they were previously doing already wasn't working.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I believe he's trying to argue that they can't buy the Infowars Twitter account because Twitter accounts are actually the property of Twitter itself, which is, uh, bad.

The most favorable deal to Jones is the one that recovers the most money. The families forfeiting a portion of their claim is effectively irrelevant since the initial claim was so high that Jones was never in his life going to be able to pay it off anyway.

If the way the trustee did it was so favorable the deal wouldn't be disputed by Jones and everyone associated with him. Trustee could've at least sought input.

The trustee who oversaw the auction, Christopher Murray, told the court that the Onion did not have a higher cash bid than First United (which bid $3.5 million).

But, according to Murray, the Onions deal was picked as the superior offer because the Connecticut families agreed to forgo much of money Jones owes them in order to pay other creditors. With the bid from the Onion and Connecticut families, the creditors ended up significantly better off, and thats why I chose to do, select that as a winning bidder, Murray said. He called the families agreement to waive their monetary claims as a gift to the other Infowars creditors: Ive never seen this before in any other case.

Judge Lopez said he was not aware of the sealed-bid format the trustee implemented nor did he know specifically what assets in the case were being sold. He expressed concern about the way bids were submitted and reviewed by the trustee, and noted that First United (which the trustee designated as the backup bidder) didnt know what the Onion and the Connecticut families had bid. Were holding an evidentiary hearing, and Im going to figure out exactly what happened, the judge said. Later, he said, My concern is the lack of transparency in the process.

I dont care who wins or loses [the auction]. I care about process, Judge Lopez said.

Honestly this just shouldn't have been allowed. If you don't have the cash then you don't have the cash. "Other creditors" should not have been a factor. Trustee was in the wrong.

ScazarMeltex posted...

And are you so fucking brain dead that you believe any word that comes out of his mouth is in good faith?

No, he's a grifter and renowned scammer. My point is that any anger fits his character, so we don't know if he's actually unhappy with life or not.

008Zulu posted...

I read that the only reason The Onion got it at apparently a lesser price than the highest bid, was because the entered in to a partnership with the parents of the Sandy Hook survivors, who agreed to a lower settlement payout in exchange for selling it to them. If Musk gets it overturned then Jones will be on the hook for the full amount.

Apparently:

https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/judge-onion-infowars-hearing-review-auction-1236211183/

bids were submitted secretly

The Onions winning bid for Infowars was backed by the Connecticut families, which agreed to forgo a portion of their recovery to increase the overall value of the Onions bid, according to lawyers for the families.

Since it was a blind auction, the other bidders had no way of knowing the Sandy Hook families were skyrocketing the value of The Onion's bid like that.

Which is why you don't hold blind auctions. Literally defeats the point. Allow buyers to out-bid eachother. Absolutely nuts that they played games with this.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Impartiality is a pretty fucking dumb concept to be adhering to when one side is filled with literal human monsters intent on destroying the lives of everyone not like them, crushing everyone not rich back into an existence mirroring that of a feudal peasant. The thing you have to understand is that no matter how "impartial" you are or how much you lick their boots they'll never give you anything and you'll never be one of them.

A core tenet of impartiality is independence.

ScazarMeltex posted...

As for Tate? Dude literally is surrounded by all the things he claims to want in life and still does nothing but complain.

Tate asserts that he's frustrated with the state of men at-large and is unmasking the world for the sake of others.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Have you ever had a take that wasn't disgusting bootlicker shit? Like ever in your existence?

I'm committed to impartiality. Partisans however unfortunately view impartiality as a mirror image of their own bias.

My original reaction to the news of the purchase was, "how didn't a Republican billionaire buy it instead" and that confusion is being cleared up here; a Republican billionaire did want to buy it, but for some reason was unable to.

Apparently my original take was incorrect though; it seems that the interested parties may have been aware of the auction, but it was decided the auction would run blind just days before it closed, basically making achieving the highest bid a matter of gambling. Not very professional.

Necronmon posted...

And it shows how fragile the nation is since more or less the democrats feel like they have to appease the rage of these men...

Or just stop antagonizing them.

Irrelevant posted...

Yeah I saw that article and I just want to ask them "what's stopping you from being a man?" Is it being told "no don't be like Trump, Musk or Tate and be respectful to people"?
"No I want to be annoying and crude to everyone because I'm a man!"

Many men don't want to be annoying and crude yet see that guys like Trump, Musk, and Tate are clearly successful in terms of material results, and are tired of being gaslighted about life being about being a good person.

They can cry about it, Musk has more money, dunno how they don't get how things work in Trumpland yet. IIRC Trump only ever broke off from dudes like this when his kids weighed in, but they love Musk.

TMOG posted...

Graces f was the first game in the Tales series I ever played and I hated the cast and story so much that it painted my opinion of the entire series in a pretty negative light

Yeah the story is easily the worst of modern Tales, definitely would not rec someone play Graces first lol.

I thought that was indicated when he explained that he did not "give a fuck" that it's not her birthday.

Smallville posted...

Did you pay for it, or like Netflix? Tyson is 58 not super old

58 is mega old for physical combat with prime age fighters.

divot1338 posted...

Notice how you never hear a word from Harrison until after theres an election.

The fact that we selected that turd over Pete Buttigieg is crazy.

That is the perfect job for him.

Yeah might as well have just gone with Pete if Ellison was getting blocked.

Tropicalwood posted...

Scranton Joe would've performed better. He still wouldn't necessarily win, but he was better than spitting in the faces of primary voters and saying their votes don't matter.

His own polls said Trump was getting a 400 EV landslide.

I thought that doesn't work lol.

LightSnake posted...

So all you can find me is a showboating bill in the last 4 four years while Markey has not done anything material to assist in major actual legislation?

I'm not trying to prove he's a hard hitter, just that he's put a lot more effort into working with the young guys than most other establishment Dems. That is his unique value. It just doesn't rate to you since any superiority of the Squad over the broader House Progressive Caucus doesn't seem to register.

LightSnake posted...

You know...every election is based on circumstances abound. You can say Biden only won because of COVID, but you have to admit he only won now because of inflation.

...Obviously? Incumbent presidents usually win. Biden would've probably won re-election if prices didn't soar.

LightSnake posted...

Fact is, Biden absolutely polled best

He polled the best while he was the frontrunner. When Bernie became the frontrunner for a few weeks he actually polled better against Trump. When Biden regained the mantle he went back to polling the best.

2020 was a unity year and most people were trying to rally around the frontrunner, so whoever was in the lead got a boisterous "yes they are gonna kick Trump's ASS" while whoever was behind got dismissed because nobody wanted to risk splitting the party by elevating secondary candidates.

LightSnake posted...

He crushed the primary

Anyone who got the endorsements Biden did would've crushed the primary, it's a non-accomplishment, he had a significant unearned advantage. It's like saying Harris crushed the convention.

LightSnake posted...

and turned out a coalition that didn't show up for someone else.

That's not entirely accurate. Harris got more votes than Biden 2020 in most swing states this year; if Trump had performed at 2020 levels he'd have been crushed. It's not that the coalition didn't show up, it's that MAGA just straight up beat it this time.

LightSnake posted...

Biden was likely the only one who could've beaten Trump at 77.

There are no metrics indicating that, it's just some peoples' personal opinion. I think a lot of people especially now realize covid is what stumped Trump, and honestly it's possible that he lost despite being up against Biden, rather than because of it.

But even if we take your stance as hypothetically accurate, along the same lines it's easy to suspect that Markey is the senior Democrat who'd help lend the grassroots left the legitimacy he did. Here's Markey teaming up with aforementioned progressive stalwarts Bernie and Bowman to try to tax corporations exploiting inflation: https://www.help.senate.gov/chair/newsroom/press/news-sanders-bowman-markey-introduce-legislation-to-combat-corporate-greed-and-windfall-profits

On the contrary his state's other senator, Warren, is a much more productive progressive, but generally acting seperately from the grassroots.

LightSnake posted...

Or it was a cynical and manipulative move to get support.

He did it years before the primary. But even if that was the case, isn't that just good politics? Maybe Kennedy 3 should've also joined up with the Squad to avoid getting outplayed there.

LightSnake posted...

That's great. He gets a gold watch, he's been in office since 1976 in some capacity. Time to go.

Well that's what a primary is for. People were so adamant about 81 year old Biden running again that he won the primary in the landslide, which doesn't really encourage other older politicians to step out.

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, and that makes him replaceable. There's value to younger, better senators. Also, Markey didn't just vote for that deregulation. It was his bill.

I dunno, I think close-minded politicians are the majority, it is very rare for someone blatantly establishment like Markey to ally with non-establishment forces.

LightSnake posted...

I don't think it's "baller" to engage in atrocity denial, to goysplain antisemitism to Jews or 9/11 conspiracy theories, either.

MAGA does the conservative version and swept the nation.

LightSnake posted...

This makes zero sense. At the end of the day, most will go for the Democrat or Republican, that's all. Most high profile third party people are total quacks.

The two-party system is gonna keep ping-ponging us to fascism, until enough reforms have been made that we just get stuck on fascism.

LightSnake posted...

Is deregulating a major industry in a corporate giveaway bad or isn't it

Bad. I'm just saying there are varying levels to it. And there's also value in realizing you were wrong and getting behind politicians with better ideas.

Like you're saying, "Markey supports XYZ bad policy" but at the same time he's gotten behind politicians who don't support that stuff. Even if he's mediocre on his own there's additional value to being an ally. Most mediocre Dems on the contrary limit their support to similarly small-minded people.

LightSnake posted...

She's been better in office, and represented her district better, which is more than one can say for the jokes of Bush and Bowman

Joke? It's an accomplishment for Bowman to have won two elections in a district he blatantly didn't represent, knocking out a powerful Democrat who actually did represent them, before AIPAC had to spend the most it ever has to get him out. Getting away with being pro-Palestine in a heavily pro-Israel district for so long is actually pretty baller. Progressive fighter near the level of Bernie.

The alternative where he properly represents them turns him into Ritchie Torres 2.0.

LightSnake posted...

You also ecognize the Squad took a huge hit because some of their members were unserious jokes who got shown the door, whereas Tlaib, AOC, Pressly and Omar at least try to learn from errors and take care of their constitutents?

Tlaib would be gone if the people AIPAC tried to pay off agreed to run, and you would be filing her in "unserious joke" pile.

LightSnake posted...

You realize being an "independent" is not a positive in of itself, right? RFK might be an "independent," but he's responsible for the deaths of 80 plus people in Samoa because of his vaccine insanity?

The politician himself is terrible but to an extent anyone showing people you don't have to vote Republican or Democrat is doing good work.

Garioshi posted...

AOC primaried an old, decrepit, corrupt neoliberal Democrat to earn her seat. It is the very foundation of the movement.

Joe Crowley was a corporate hack who helped the GOP slash the safety net. Markey isn't quite that bad.

LightSnake posted...

I could name like five Dems who got more done with him "In Manchin's Senate" with the Inflation Reduction Act and Infastucture Bill.

So 1/20th of the Senate? Not all of the 50 something Dem. senators are gonna be heavyweights.

LightSnake posted...

Oh, so it's NOT a sin, good to know! We might as well enshrine the double standards. And actually, the majority of House Dems voted *against* Iraq. About half the Senate Dems voted against it, too. Try again, Dice.

Thank you for the correction. I was genuinely wrong on this front. I just sorta assumed that surely most Dems voted for Iraq, considering how much defense was put up for that terrible vote in primary after primary. If there were so many other Dems with better foresight, why the hell did the party put up Hillary and Biden instead? Why would Obama complain all primary about Hillary voting for it only to then pick another politician who voted for it for VP? In a world where most Dems made the right choice and voted against Iraq, elevating the few doofuses who voted for it stops being a choice of necessity and starts being deliberate incompetence, which helps explains the little rut Dems are currently in.

Nevertheless I concede that the vote looks significantly worse for Markey in this case. Maybe it'd have been easier to use against him if the Dems hadn't previously normalized failing upwards.

LightSnake posted...

You readily admitted to this?

I just don't really like the two-party system. Independents welcome.

LightSnake posted...

Joe Kennedy was literally endorsed by many of the House Progressive caucus

Wasn't he literally in the House Progressive Caucus? If so that could be a matter of formality.

LightSnake posted...

great example of how many on the left don't care about actual impact or substance. Just "they're friends with my friends"

It's ideological alliances. One just wonders if someone in the House is so progressive why aren't they aligned with the chambers's actual movement progressives, the Squad.

LightSnake posted...

We could've had a guy in office who championed that everyone facing foreclosure and bankruptcy should be given a free lawyer to help them through it and supposed progressives mocked that because he wasn't proposing the radical overthrow of capitalism.

Well his history against weed legalization didn't help either. Politicians have to understand their audience and align on the key issues before guiding them in the right direction on other matters as well. Even if Kennedy had this amazing idea for legal defense of the desperately in need, this post is literally the first time I've ever heard of it, because it got drowned out by him being rejected outright as a candidate for other reasons.

LightSnake posted...

No he isn't. Markey is eminently replaceable. He's done nothing for years, advanced no real progressive legislation and hasn't provided a voice on anything.

He kinda spent his legislative capital lead sponsoring the Green New Deal. How much was he supposed to get done in Manchin's Senate? This is a bizarre complaint anyway since it's not like a young gun replacing him is gonna be taken seriously on bill proposals for quite some years.

His presence is healthy beyond the realm of legislation. He was the first establishment Democrat to embrace the modern grassroots progressive wing instead of campaigning/messaging against it and is the first Senator to unionize their staff (meaning he outpaced even Bernie, Warren, etc. in this regard).

LightSnake posted...

I remember when voting for Iraq and the Crime bill were grievous sins.

I can't think of a modern Democrat who was there who didn't vote for the crime bill, and the grand majority of Dems flubbed on Iraq.

And you may think, "well this fresh young Democrat here didn't vote for those" but then it comes down to a character judgment whether one believes they would've if they were there. I don't think AOC would've voted for Iraq. I totally think Mondaire Jones would've. Because those are the types of impressions they leave, even if we can't actually know for sure.

LightSnake posted...

I'd have more respect for you, Dice, if you just admitted people threw a fit because of Kennedy's last name

I was less hostile towards Robert F. Kennedy Jr. than most on this board, so that's not quite it.

The simple fact is one can look at political networks to get a gist of whose interests a candidacy serves, regardless of their explictly stated positions. Tulsi Gabbard said she supported Bernie put people looked at her connections to Republican billionaires and foreign dictators to call BS. That's an extreme example but the same rules generally apply for everyone; if Joe Kennedy was so progressive, where was his support from other progressives, and why was he instead supported by a bunch of decidedly not progressive figures in their place?

Uh, no? Not every older politician is an incoherent mess like Biden and Trump. Markey's a great Senator and progressive ally.

LightSnake posted...

Like Ayanna Pressley?

Because a Squad member primarying an establishtment Dem. who embraced the Squad sure would do wonders for getting people to trust the movement.

LightSnake posted...

Kennedy's career ended for no real reason.

It ended because he's an ambitious cretin who blew his load too early. Maybe position yourself as a trustworthy heir, instead of trying to take the mantle by force while still disingenuously asserting that no really you're totally an ally.

Beyond that you just cannot campaign as a moderate when you're already associated with the worst of liberalism.

Didn't work for Hillary, didn't work for Harris, won't work for Newsom.

Biden was initially a genuine moderate not associated with what's viewed as the "radical left" and he won the first time. But once impressions shifted post-Afghanistian, with inflation, etc. he too ended up in the "fake moderate radical leftist" pile as a losing proposition. And Harris was always going to land there since she was too socially liberal during her 2020 campaign.

If a candidate can't reliably convince swing voters that they're moderate, what they instead need to do is go all-in on the popular parts of their party's partisan ideology and drive up turnout that way. That's what Trump does, what Obama did, and what Harris was doing before her idiot advisors told her to start campaigning as a centrist in the final month.

The true moderate and the ideological reformist the two candidate types that can win. These other types (ex. the "forget about my past progressivism I love guns and the border and Republicans" Dems) are doomed.

divot1338 posted...

I have just the guy.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/00e60e54.jpg

Swimg states view California as a train wreck, this is basically just running a younger Biden.

Stop making fun of candidates like Bernie for having a "disproportionately white male voter base" in the primaries for one.

Alimony is fine but only if one of the spouses was a homemaker.

Count_Drachma posted...

I love how a conspiracy theory that started on the left is suddenly being called a MAGA conspiracy theory. Even Nancy Pelosi criticized Biden for his handling of passing the torch to Kamala and then countless Dems have criticized Biden for repeatedly torpedoing Kamala's campaign

That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's calling Biden an incompetent idiot.

metralo posted...

Dude shut the fuck up

No. I was closer to right about the election than like 80% of the board. The Project 2025 messaging clearly didn't land, regardless of how true it was. Attacking Trump's actual admitted platform would've been more politically productive.

Imagine a bunch of perpetually wrong people thinking anyone but their own selves should shut the fuck up.

Impossible as long as we have a 2 party system.

Biden and Trump really sucked in 2020 lol.

...Well at least it's not confirmed yet?

Weight detector when?

KimmyGranger posted...

If you're willing to abandon abortion rights for foreign policy when the other guy isn't even going to be better on foreign policy, then I'm not sure why I should care about that foreign policy.

Well 75 mil Americans didn't care about abortion, not like it's some uncommon thing. >_>

How did some billionaire Republican not get it?

This is what Trump would be getting if the US didn't have a 2 party system.

LightSnake posted...

2028 primaries will be insane.

Wondering if JB Pritzker might be a good option

He's one of the least offensive. Good policies but not too socially liberal, not fake and ambitious, not broadly hated, no burned bridges, no glaring vulnerabilities in his record.

Ilishe posted...

It's Premium, not ad-free.

The ad for it literally has some sassy dude saying, "YouTube Premium is ad-free YouTube!"

LightSnake posted...

I mean, you can barely be troubled to muster one iota of concern for Trump gearing up to be worse and installing vehemently pro-Israel fanatics like Huckabee and Hegseth as part of his admin.

Trump didn't get, want, or need toothbrush's vote, so there's no leverage there. Why would he care what a bunch of people who voted against him want lol.

mybbqrules posted...

Imagine literally stating on this website that the woman who openly admitted that she had no chance of winning and was only still in the race to throw it to Trump was the answer all along.

And then imagine being outraged at that same website for months that no one was debating you in good faith.

Various supporters said that, I don't recall her saying that herself. Regardless she was the only major candidate opposing arming Israel.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Jill Stein is literally a Russian Puppet. She would be worse than Trump in every way.

Trump himself is a Russian puppet, on top of being an Israel puppet like your guys Biden and Harris.

lol

sfcalimari posted...

You guys exploited dead and doomed palestinians to try and defeat Democrats. And now you're going to go quiet because you got what you wanted.

They're only doomed because people keep voting for Republicans and corporate Democrats. If everyone had voted Jill Stein or something they wouldn't be doomed.

Clearly 10/10 at this point he's scammed the mightiest country on earth repeatedly.

Zikten posted...

https://youtu.be/XPyusLl5L0c?si=BYWA00OwK5VWF321

"Looking at how he was before and after his presidency. Something was clearly weird behind the scenes. He just suddenly became coherent again, he was like that before he ran too, then he suddenly went all senile. Then he's just back to himself again? plus he cleverly gave one last fuck you to the democrats by ruining their chance at a good candidate on purpose. It's like he's been entirely sedated for the last four years. Which honestly is very possible. Like how they would bully and pull around stan Lee or many older famous people for money. They could have purposely made joe more senile to make him seem like an embarrassment who makes bad decision. While they are the ones actually making them. It also makes where he laughs at the moment someone called trump a political puppet (this moment came from the same interview) have another context. He's probably just been used as a scape goat this whole time. And when they didn't have use of him they attempted the throw him out. Then he got payback"

They're really going full throttle on this lol.

Gaetz has no scruples whatsoever and makes the DoJ a direct arm of Trump. Zero pushback ever.

McSame_as_Bush posted...

What would've been scary would've been a William Barr-like figure in terms of competency with Gaetz-like servility. I have to imagine that person is out there somewhere.

Nah there just isn't anyone like that. MAGA is bereft of competence. The best you can get is kinda-sort barely passable dudes like Johnson and DeSantis. Like I'm trying to think of "competent MAGA guys" and I'm drawing a complete blank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMJ9X5gmw4I

Priorities. Even I couldn't bring myself to act like that post-election. >_>

The-Apostle posted...

Not a source. Images can be faked.

Why source an obviously bogus social media theory lol. The pic is real tho.

They're saying that he immediately endorsed Harris because he knew she couldn't win, called Trump supporters garbage in the final week to mobilize MAGA, and was "signalling" them when he did this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dfd9f0f6.jpg