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Underleveled posted...
This honestly tracks with everything we've seen of Kenzie. Not that she's been outright nasty, but she's had this cliquey, mean girlish attitude and a bit of an air of entitlement. I'm not surprised she threw a temper tantrum for being left out of a vote, especially when that was the one person whose boot she very specifically wanted to be her move.
Yeah, Kenzie still feels like a losing finalist to me. Someone whose attitude rubs people the wrong way, and she leaves FTC like Cassidy... which is who I'd say is who she reminds me of, just more of a mean girl and less of a narcissist, but still close enough.
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Inviso posted...
I'm going to ask this as politely as possible: were you hated/excommunicated for a very standard level of not liking Shan...or was your reaction to Shan something similar to what we're seeing now?
It was a very standard level. Like for RHAP, I was banned for "spreading misinformation" - when I was merely articulating things I'd heard. This was a very convenient excuse that made no sense to ban somebody for. For r/Survivor, it was simply me saying "Fuck Shan" - nothing more than that; it was after this that I started calling her "Shit" instead. That was just a week but I decided not to go back and I do not regret that decision. My mental health thanks me.

(and you did ask politely, so thank you for that)

Mewtwo59 posted...
Also, where did all this "Q is a massive threat" thing come from? Two episodes ago they were all saying how they didn't respect Q after he tried to quit and they'd never vote for him, and now after being tribe pariah for that time, he's suddenly this huge threat to win. What happened there?
This confused me as well. So many people said they'd never vote for him to win, and now... what?
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Team B

Probopass and Yamask > anything on team A imho
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Underleveled posted...
I mean, yeah, we've all got a handful of contestants that most fans like and we don't, and I can absolutely see the reasons why Shan can be too much for someone, but your hatred of her feels extremely disproportionate.
She wasn't even in my bottom 5 before certain excrement went after me for my entirely valid dislike of her. I am tired of being bullied for having a very valid opinion by people who don't have a valid reason to hate for it.

I got excommunicated for NO REASON by a [expletive] moderator from a community I'd been in for longer than he had. Wouldn't you be bitter in my shoes, and associate that with Shit herself, especially after it happened twice?
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tagging this so I remember to do it tomorrow, if that's alright

I just haven't had the time or mindset to sit down and really listen to something for a while...
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Seanchan posted...
Money

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Espeon posted...
Andy, thats way overboard, man. Were talking an alumni base that includes a pedophile, At least one rapist, a wife beater, and an anti-trans politician. Even if Shan is a scammer, shes nowhere near the worst ever.
We all have that one person who we have a personal grudge against.
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Underleveled posted...
I find this analysis to be incredibly problematic. I'm not a fan of how the "guys" thing was handled (to be honest, if they hadn't even said anything and just dropped it, I probably never would have noticed) but to say that one moment in the premiere sunk the season is an insane overreaction.

As a Shan fan, admittedly I do find some of her fans to be incredibly obnoxious, especially in edgic (I'm sure they're worse on CTS; I don't even look at that cesspool anymore). But how is she "vile?" She's like, not even close to being in the top 200 worst people that have ever been on the show. And straight-up nicknaming her "Shit" is actually a vile thing to say.
The Shit fans got me banned from RHAP and r/Survivor simply for not liking her and expressing that. The nickname is what I will always refer to her as going forward, as mild as it is.

Also she scammed people on Patreon with saying she'd "help them find God" but in reality she was just lining her chequebook. She is currently in my Bottom 1 Survivor contestants - yes, even worse than Feely Dan.

Fuck Shit.
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I think 46 > 45 > 42 > 44 > 43 > 41 is how I'd have them, personally.

46 is the first season of the "New Era" that feels like Survivor should. And I think that's partly because they were willing to cast people who wouldn't necessarily like each other, and also because Jeff is needling and trolling people again when they deserve it, and also because I've actually been watching the merge challenges, and also because there are legit memorable and funny moments.

45 had a handful of good stuff, most of which was Emily-adjacent, but it lacked in the arguments... and had the Sean quit, which was awful. At least Hannah owned it and was colorful on her way out!

42 and 44 were both good, not great, and I'd think the one-hour runtime with all the advantage filler was detrimental. 42 is better because the cast clicked across tribes while 44's clicked more within their original tribes and not beyond that. There was some good early drama in 44, though.

43 was a slog until the home stretch, but BOY did it get really good there. The "Telenovela" episode may be the best episode of the entire "New Era" but that's really the only one I'd say from that season that was truly excellent.

41 had a lot of problems, namely the cringy manufactured "guys" nonsense that really did NOT need to be a thing, the fact that the winner was nearly invisible in quite a few episodes, the hourglass, and the very existence of Shit, who is one of the most vile players ever and her fans are even worse.

I'm honestly thinking 46 may barely be in my top 10. Nothing else in the "New Era" comes close. I hope Forty-Several uses 46's casting, Probst trolling, and editing as a model, because this really feels like the show I love again. 45 was only halfway there, but the 90 minutes sure did help.
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Also, this episode clearly established Charlie as the season's narrator. That doesn't necessarily mean he wins. He's just the protagonist. (But I do think he wins...)

Venus blew up her own game by being so sketchy with Charlie and we'll see if she realizes that in her exit press tomorrow. She probably won't. But I am 100% listening to it. She is someone who has always delivers the goods.

That said, I am pretty "eh" on watching next week's episode now that Venus is gone and the Siga trio have majority. This season was great for a long time though!
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Blaziken posted...
Jesus Christ, Venus. Why would you hint you have an idol?
She needs to play it now. But she's too cocky, and she's not fostering any trust with Charlie. In fact she's doing the opposite.
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What happens if Charlie plays the Shit in the Dark to hide which side he's on, and this forces a 3-3 tie? That would be... something else.

Liz venting about Quitavius in front of him is the comedy I crave. This season has had the best comedy nuggets that I've noticed in quite a while. This season is what I was hoping for with 90-minute episodes.
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Blaziken posted...
What sucks is that the end result is probably Q going home, even though taking out Ben would improve the season so much more (seriously, do not let the Siga 3 make half the final 6).
Ben is the epitome of a one-note character that only has one quality scene all season. That time Kenzie comforted him was fantastic, but that's all I got.

And now it seems like it's gonna be Venus and Quitavius for the two choices tonight and that fucking SUCKS since they're the two best castaways to make merge this season. They've both been electric personalities. That said, Venus has an idol, and if she plays it successfully and takes out somebody like Q, thus improving her likelihood of making F3, she might actually... win it after all? She'd be a hilarious winner, in the same vein as Fabio.

But yeah, they need to target Ben, to force Charlie to be loyal to them.
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Maria handled that pretty poorly, and this spells doom for either Ben or Quitavius. VERY CLEAR who her priorities are, and the others feel even more burned than normal - particularly Liz. So Liz will team up with Kenzie and Venus, and Charlie may have to go along with them. He's... the swing vote now? Never thought I'd see that.
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Loved the new version of the snake. That was something new and different, and also quite challenging.

Maria winning this means Quitavius may be leaving us, since he's Maria's goat, and nobody wants him taking up their F3 spot. Charlie might wanna do it. Ben might be a better choice to break up Siga, since Charlie is open to working with Venus and Kenzie and Ben is not.
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Blaziken posted...
I'm not gonna lie, I was terrified during that whole sequence. I kept thinking back to...I think it was Jaime finding the idol in S44, and it's so exciting for someone like her to find it...and then we get a confessional from Matthew saying he planted a fake idol for her to find, since he had the real one. But Venus finding an idol is pretty amazing.
I am so happy that she found that like you would not believe. Not only is she in the minority, she's the one who recognizes the threat of Maria/Charlie/Ben, and that Maria is probably the leader.

Venus was giving Kenzie too many red flags, and yet Kenzie seemed dismissive of the idea that Venus actually found it. Which is SO AMAZING. And Venus is actually shutting up about having it! She learned from the mistakes of the others. Hunter should've never told anyone and Tiff should've only told Kenzie since Kenzie was there with her when it was found. Jem should've told Tim the truth instead of being sketchy.
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Ampharos/Snorlax
Vulpix/Mismagius
Aurorus/Vaporeon
Seadra/Brambleghast
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I am not very far into this episode and... I am seeing Maria downfall signs galore, and she was who I was thinking was going home anyway.

Venus is smart to be like "We gotta break up that Siga trio" here - and who better to take out than the one who beats everybody?
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Mr_Crispy posted...
Black

(the Led Zepplin song)

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Gengar/Raikou
Cloyster/Fuecoco
Suicune/Vileplume
Noctowl/Arctibax

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Electrode/Tapu Lele
Sharpedo/Feraligatr
Rayquaza/Coalossal
Wigglytuff/Blissey
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GTM posted...
Teach me edgic

Maria says something like "if we don't blindside tiff that would be a million dollar mistake". Since they used that and tiff went home, doesn't edgic call that a winners quote or whatever?
I don't know if Maria is winning this tbh. We've gotten very little personal content for her and you'd think they'd have wanted to invest more in the Malcolm/Denise thing for Charlie and Maria if it was indeed Maria winning. The comparison would be more obvious since in Philippines, those two child-abusing dirtbags took Denise to F3 instead of Malcolm, where she promptly waxed their disgusting butts. (Thankfully, there's no such scum this season.) I actually think Kenzie will try to take Maria out and probably succeed.

[Charlie] is my top winner contender right now but I legit could see anybody pulling it out. A few notes here:
  • Everybody keeps saying they'll never vote for Quitavius to win. This has to mean something; either he's getting owned at FTC like nobody has in a good while or he's gonna actually manage to change their minds. I don't know which it is, but the latter is much less likely given how people like The Hantz in HvV, Muffin, Troyzan, Laurel/Yanni, Angelina and Noura all got labeled as goats by mid-merge and that was that. None of them got any votes, save for Muffin since she threatened to ground Baylor if she didn't, and it didn't matter what they said at FTC. (Examples are F3s only.)
  • Venus was an insignificant bystander for this last episode; if she was winning, we'd have at least heard some of her thoughts. My thought of her being the bizarro world winner was most likely wrong. She's starting to feel like the pre-finale boot... Abi-Maria style.
  • Charlie talking about training his grip strength means this isn't going to be the last challenge he wins, unless that was put in as a major red herring.
  • Kenzie was on my radar for a good while but she wanted to make BIG MOVEZ for no reason (Tiff was floored in her exit press, saying something along the lines of "Girl, you don't vote out your #1 with like ten people left on the beach!") and then was excluded from the idea she proposed. This right here feels like it's explaining why she loses. She might be the runner-up.
  • Ben is drawing dead. We know zilch about his relationships at this point and only get him making "This does not rock" jokes, plus the fantastic scene where Kenzie comforted him when he was feeling lonely. That made me think he'll vote for Kenzie to win the season, since he's likely finale fodder.
So my current thought for placement is something like:
1 Charlie....
2 Kenzie....
3 Quitavius
4 Liz..........
5 Ben........
6 Venus....
7 Maria.....

With either Charlie winning final immunity and taking Quitavius OR Charlie winning at fire. Obviously, there are OTHER things in play, too, like the "Siga Strong" crap. The editing has become extremely complex with the 90-minute episodes.

Of course there's a huge chance I am way off on this but that's the beauty of analyzing the edit. Sometimes you're right, sometimes you're wrong. Like I called Gabler one of the top two contenders going into the finale in 43 and some people laughed at me... and I still mock them to this day. Cassidy had been drawing dead since like F8, people!
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Congrats on getting through the whole first round! That's quite an undertaking in and of itself.

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Kleavor is disliked? I thought that people here would eat it up.
I found Kleavor to be an unnecessary alternate evolution that pales in comparison to Scizor in every imaginable way. The design is... fine, I guess. The typing is okay. But Gen 8 getting a secondary Scyther evolution was a weird choice to me. That said, I am a Scizor fan, so...

LusterSoldier posted...
I'm also more into the cute designs over the cool or meta ones.
For me it depends on the design. I like some cute, I like some cool, I like some powerful. Also design was not the only factor I used when voting.
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sounds like it's taking a dive to hell
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Honestly, it depends on if the game is supposed to have mods through developer encouragement.

The Sims, for instance, has a huge modding community because EA legit encourages people to create their own things. Finding mods is part of the game, really.

Skyrim, however, is but a decent game when left vanilla - and if you're playing on a console, you're SOL. I know I'm far from the only person who will start up a new Skyrim file every 3-4 years, get bored after 20-30 hours, give up and wonder what the hell I was doing whenever I go back, repeating the cycle anew.
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AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
Sexual
This (and I'm not)
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G-MAX STEELSURGE
+3 Piplup
+2 Garchomp
+1 Miltank
-1 Lumineon
-2 Rufflet
-3 Kleavor

Meh. +3 to Piplup for Dawn's giving me one of my favorite anime episodes ("Piplup, Up, and Away!").

HORN LEECH
+3 Salazzle
+2 Talonflame
+1 Quaquaval
-1 Foongus
-2 Heliolisk
-3 Lileep

This division is amazing, like holy shit. The only one I wanted to minus was Lileep!
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MartinFF7 posted...
I heartily lol'd
She worried too publicly... also Q is in bizarro world. I admit my comment didn't age well and I can laugh at it accordingly.

Tiff said in exit press that both Kenzie and Maria volunteered to give up their spot for Liz, but Q wouldn't let them. I don't believe that's ever happened with someone picked before, just people in Pearl Islands and SJDS who won the challenge giving their reward spot away.

Q is the biggest goat this season and I have no idea how he could rectify that.
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Pong
Space Invaders
Pac-Man
Donkey Kong

LOL @ those ChatGPT results XD
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Bitto posted...
Men

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votes Chandelure, Jellicent, and Golurk
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Underleveled posted...
Amber & Vinny getting eliminated tonight would finally bury this season.
Haven't been watching. Has this season been that bad? I knew not to expect much with the COVID format and 90-minute episodes, but... did it somehow manage to be even worse than I expected?
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Right before the vote, I said "I think it's Tiff"

Hilarious how not a single idol was played correctly. Kenzie is SPEECHLESS at how Siga just left her in the dust. She might not be winning either since her position just went up in smoke. Would have been better if she'd stuck to her guns.

Underleveled posted...
I was honestly still hanging onto the bizarro-edit Q win but this episode once and for all murdered that, burned it and pissed on the ashes.
Venus was very much not in this episode, either, so her bizarro-edit winner chances are up in flames too.

The most likely winner possibility is Charlie imho.
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Mewtwo59 posted...
Honestly, Liz (and Venus) cheering for Q's downfall despite it ending any chance either of them have of winning is so on brand for them.
yeah, it's much better for them to get Tiff out and take Quitavius to the F3. A Venus/Liz/Quitavius F3 would be the funniest of all time. Like we've had all-goat F3s before, but that one would be on another level of hilarity.

That said, Venus has hardly been in this episode, so it's very apparent this is not her story. I no longer think she's the dark horse to win.

Blaziken posted...
I hate the Siga trio. They're the only characters not bringing life to this season.
Ben does have a music cue - the guitar - and that's noticeable enough to add something, but that's editing. Siga was the least fun tribe this season because they were too exemplary of "New Era" kumbayah cheerleading bullshit. Yanu was a total trainwreck and Nami was a hugely successful tribe that still fought all the time.
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Liz CLEARLY wants to settle her score with Q instead of trying to win a million dollars.
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Blaziken posted...
They'd better start targeting Charlie. Like, for fuck's sake, how has Venus been the only person to target him all season.
Charlie is the biggest challenge threat left. I am hoping that they wanna stop him from winning the challenge next week and that he doesn't just walk to the F3 and win it all.

Anyway I should work on my grip strength. Here's hoping this old thing works.... *snap* CRAP
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(Remember that Q had the slow-mo before, when Yanu finally won an immunity challenge. The same effect for his elimination thus feels more meaningful.)
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With that slo-mo punctuation... bye Q.
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Ugh, here we go again...
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Underleveled posted...
I haven't had access to Edgic in years because I lost my password, and don't have access to the email I registered with anymore. Has anyone had an NN episode yet in the New Era? Because Q is currently saying hold my beer.
r/Edgic is publicly visible. The original board is not, sure, but that's an alternative.

You could make a new account without saying a thing or email the moderators about the issue, explaining your situation. Your call which approach to take. I'd prefer the latter myself.
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This season is so good. It's really delivering everything we want from Survivor. Unintentional comedy, variety of contestant personalities, sloppy play like crazy, a little more variety...

...this is all from Liz's perspective, which is interesting. I don't think she's winning since she was nearly invisible for a few pre-merge episodes and this is ridiculous, certainly not good for her jury status. Her conniption here means her winning would be the most insane thing to happen in ages.

Also, sucks that they couldn't bring a burger back to give to Liz. Old school allowed that. Probst would never.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
The winner of this challenge will have to pick 3 people. Liz has nothing to worry about. She will ALWAYS be picked regardless of who wins, because not picking her would look bad, given her allergies and how she's even more famished than everyone else.
And then she decided to cry and whine and beg, which ruined this. All she needed to do was keep quiet.

She is unhinged, and it's great TV. Sucks to be Liz though.
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The winner of this challenge will have to pick 3 people. Liz has nothing to worry about. She will ALWAYS be picked regardless of who wins, because not picking her would look bad, given her allergies and how she's even more famished than everyone else.
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And Karishma rejoiced!
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Maria may be playing with fire in a way that'll get her burned.

Kenzie talking about resume differentiation shows her priorities are all mixed up. She's trying to make "BIG MOVEZ" but they're wrong moves. Stand out by being the one to make a move that's more advantageous for her than for Tiff, and make sure her fingerprints are all over it. (This means NOT taking out Tiff, just doing something to give Kenzie something Tiff doesn't have.)
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Best Year in Gaming
Rivalry Rumble
Series contest
2013 character battle

Honorable mention to Game of the Decade 2 which I forgot even happened
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Underleveled posted...
Light

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NIGHT DAZE
+3 Virizion
+2 Sandslash
+1 Cetitan
-1 Slither Wing
-2 Sentret
-3 Mime Jr.

HORN DRILL
+3 Chandelure
+2 Rayquaza
+1 Chansey
-1 Tropius
-2 Gogoat
-3 Yamask
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METRONOME
+3 Infernape
+2 Mudsdale
+1 Magnezone
-1 Tinkaton
-2 Bombirdier
-3 Goldeen

BLAZING TORQUE
+3 Metagross
+2 Magmortar
+1 Tirtouga
-1 Heatmor
-2 Iron Bundle
-3 Simipour

One division has a lot I want to plus (like... at least seven). The other has ONE I wanted to plus.
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I'll be back for another heartbreaking season.
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