By the way, interesting sales note again, turns out Gran Turismo 4 was also a game that vastly outperformed expectations in Europe specifically. The reported figures on them all come from their website back in 2013 and apparently it sold less than half as many copies in NA compared to GT3, and also only two thirds as many in Japan, but it was also the best selling GT game ever in Europe (and it wouldn't really surprise me if that figure still stands tbh). Still, I guess that explains a lot of why every other vote is automatically going for 3 here. I perceived them as pretty close in relevance but as usual the demographics of the site just don't see it that way since I guess Forza hit its long-term sales way harder elsewhere...