Which 2024 Live Service game is the bigger trainwreck?

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Big_Bob
03/27/2024
02:34 PM
#1
Funny how we got two of these games and it's only March.
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UshiromiyaEva
03/27/2024
02:38 PM
#2
The one that may still result in international legal action.
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Bane_Of_Despair
03/27/2024
02:49 PM
#3
UshiromiyaEva posted...
The one that may still result in international legal action.

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KamikazePotato
03/27/2024
02:51 PM
#4
Skull and Bones by every objective metric, although Suicide Squad was way funnier.
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VintageGin
03/27/2024
02:58 PM
#5
Kinda hate that "Live Service" is the accepted public term that everyone uses

Feels like it belongs in some internal PowerPoint deck

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FFDragon
03/27/2024
03:03 PM
#6
to me live service is a synonym for shit game so it's helpful to have it around for me to weed things out
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Snake5555555555
03/27/2024
03:05 PM
#7
Wait which one is going to result in legal action, I've followed both of these decently closely and I haven't really heard of that.
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ra2ah3roma2ma
03/27/2024
03:10 PM
#8
UshiromiyaEva posted...
The one that may still result in international legal action.
Neither of them will result in any legal action.
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ra2ah3roma2ma
03/27/2024
03:10 PM
#9
Also telling you mention these two but fail to mention one of the best games of the year and my current GOTY contender is live service.
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UshiromiyaEva
03/27/2024
03:12 PM
#10
Snake5555555555 posted...
Wait which one is going to result in legal action, I've followed both of these decently closely and I haven't really heard of that.

Skull & Bones was funded by the government of Singapore, and it's believed that the long dev time was the result of Ubisoft treating it like a vacation destination for high ranking employees they sent there to "work" on the game.

They received money to support local job growth, but supposedly nobody who actually lives in Singapore ever received any promotion within the company.

It's a lot of speculation from long before the game came out, but considering the time it took and the product that released it's likely not far off the mark.
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Snake5555555555
03/27/2024
03:19 PM
#11
Ah, I did hear about the Singapore funding but the rest is definitely crazy if true.
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Wanglicious
03/27/2024
03:21 PM
#12
KamikazePotato posted...
Skull and Bones by every objective metric, although Suicide Squad was way funnier.

this pretty much.
like suicide squad is funny in terms of how terrible it was and all the comparisons to the previous games but Skull and Bones was supposed to be Ubisoft's magnum opus, it was the first AAA A game, and apparently the last "A" stood for ass.
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KamikazePotato
03/27/2024
03:26 PM
#13
I forgot about S&B being an AAAA game. That single moment might actually be funnier than anything from Suicide Squad.
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UshiromiyaEva
03/27/2024
03:30 PM
#14
It's indistinguishable a Randy Pitchford quote.

Just like that game....he made....that I forgot the name of....the one Overwatch buried in the dirt.
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Kinglicious
03/27/2024
03:31 PM
#15
Battleborn?

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BlackMageJawa
03/27/2024
03:33 PM
#16
Based on concept alone, S&B should have been good, while SS should never have been greenlit.
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swirIdude
03/27/2024
03:33 PM
#17
FFDragon posted...
to me live service is a synonym for shit game so it's helpful to have it around for me to weed things out

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xenosaga
03/27/2024
03:38 PM
#18
SS is a blast to play at least, and aww yeah it survived long enough to get to season 1.
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ra2ah3roma2ma
03/27/2024
03:58 PM
#19
BlackMageJawa posted...
Based on concept alone, S&B should have been good, while SS should never have been greenlit.
I mean nah, SS is a game that had incredible potential if the studio didn't force in shit that didn't belong
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WhiteLens
03/27/2024
04:11 PM
#20
VintageGin posted...
Kinda hate that "Live Service" is the accepted public term that everyone uses

Feels like it belongs in some internal PowerPoint deck

If you want that kind of terminology it would be something like "Games as a Service" or GaaS.
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03/27/2024
08:52 PM
#22
I know all about the SS game, but I don't know anything about S&B other than that it's supposed to be bad. How bad is it that it compares to SS?
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MacArrowny
03/27/2024
09:17 PM
#23
ra2ah3roma2ma posted...
I mean nah, SS is a game that had incredible potential if the studio didn't force in shit that didn't belong
What? It was planned to be co op live service from the start. It never had potential
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Kinglicious
03/27/2024
10:57 PM
#24
Anagram posted...
I know all about the SS game, but I don't know anything about S&B other than that it's supposed to be bad. How bad is it that it compares to SS?

It was supposed to be essentially an expanded version of pirate combat in AC4: Black Flag.

Instead it took ten years to be an inferior version of Sea of Thieves and only about sailing. You don't even board in ship to ship combat. And again they had AC4 as a blueprint and still botched it.
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ivysnow
03/27/2024
11:21 PM
#25
i'll say skull and bones because i got a solid 40 minutes of amusement out of watching the death scenes from suicide squad on youtube
Bane_Of_Despair
03/27/2024
11:23 PM
#26
Why on earth is Suicide Squad even close on this lol
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UshiromiyaEva
03/27/2024
11:27 PM
#27
It's just more well known.

It's really not a competition.
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foolm0r0n
03/27/2024
11:28 PM
#28
Isn't SS just a regular mid game?
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03/27/2024
11:00 PM
#29
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ra2ah3roma2ma
03/28/2024
08:28 AM
#30
MacArrowny posted...
What? It was planned to be co op live service from the start. It never had potential
The frontrunner for GOTY right now is a coop live service game.
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FFDragon
03/28/2024
08:32 AM
#31
i literally have no idea what game you could be referring to

but balatro is a weird poker deckbuilder roguelike so you're wrong either way
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Bane_Of_Despair
03/28/2024
08:39 AM
#32
Helldivers 2 I guess? I know that's the big rage right now, no idea what kind of live service elements it has
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FFDragon
03/28/2024
08:43 AM
#33
oh, maybe? I just checked opencritic to make sure I wasn't crazy

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/179710b3.jpg

but I don't see a live service game (or helldivers) in the top of this year so far
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xenosaga
03/28/2024
09:09 AM
#34
And going to take this topic as an opportunity to say: grab SS when it goes on deep sale and you probably won't regret it. The movement and combat together are the most fun I've had with the core gameplay of a game since Anthem.
Story is entertaining for the characters and the live service stuff doesn't really ruin anything until the plot at the end kind of stalls so they can finish it up with seasons ( hopefully .)
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Wanglicious
03/28/2024
09:18 AM
#35
helldivers 2 is pretty explicitly a live service game. it's also the exception to the rule; generally they're cash grabs by companies and are full of microtransactions that need real world money, this one's a labor of love and all of its microtransactions can be done with in-game currency and a few hours of play. they're also like $1-2 as opposed to the much higher ones we're used to already, and it's on a game that launched for $40. it ends up doing things right in a lot of areas of a live service but it very much so is one. just not soulless.
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ra2ah3roma2ma
03/28/2024
09:28 AM
#36
FFDragon posted...
i literally have no idea what game you could be referring to

but balatro is a weird poker deckbuilder roguelike so you're wrong either way
Helldivers 2, incredible game and my current GOTY pick. Its live service elements actually serve the game well, with devs creating missions and an actual ongoing war to fight, rather than just a story mode.
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UshiromiyaEva
03/28/2024
09:53 AM
#37
It's probably a strong example of the difference between Live Service and Games as a Service.

Whether a game is service first or game first.
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foolm0r0n
03/28/2024
09:59 AM
#38
Helldivers 2 is one of the most live service games ever made
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MacArrowny
03/28/2024
11:15 AM
#39
ra2ah3roma2ma posted...
The frontrunner for GOTY right now is a coop live service game.
And? Suicide Squad's a completely different style of game.
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KamikazePotato
03/28/2024
11:16 AM
#40
MacArrowny posted...
And? Suicide Squad's a completely different style of game.
Well, I think that was the point they're trying to make. People were painting all live service games under the same brush, which isn't how it works.
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Accel_R8
03/28/2024
05:30 PM
#41
Isn't every active MMO also a "live service" game? Any fighting game that exists primarily on its multiplayer servers?
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redrocket
03/28/2024
05:39 PM
#42
Accel_R8 posted...
Isn't every active MMO also a "live service" game? Any fighting game that exists primarily on its multiplayer servers?

Yes
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MacArrowny
03/28/2024
05:43 PM
#43
Yeah, there are plenty of great live service games. Nintendo makes some popular ones, like Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros. and Splatoon.

That doesn't change the fact that Suicide Squad's concept was bad from the start.
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Accel_R8
03/28/2024
05:48 PM
#44
Right, but people have been using "live service" as a blanket term and discounting them as automatically bad.

It's the worst kind of un-thinking that is running rampant these days.
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foolm0r0n
03/28/2024
05:56 PM
#45
Better to oversimply everything and then just constantly make exceptions and backtrack yourself for the rest of your life
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UshiromiyaEva
03/28/2024
05:56 PM
#46
Even ignoring the game's structure, a game that gave Captain Boomerang a gun was never going to be good.

Even the comic with the most violent Captain Boomerang kill in DC history still had him use his boomerang.
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Accel_R8
03/28/2024
07:44 PM
#47
foolm0r0n posted...
Better to oversimply everything and then just constantly make exceptions and backtrack yourself for the rest of your life

Or just... and hear me out, judge each game individually on it's merits rather than making assumptions !
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UshiromiyaEva
03/28/2024
07:49 PM
#48
You should assume a live service game will be bad, and it can prove itself otherwise.

Then if it's not bad, you get a nice surprise!

But you should never be excited for one. Certainly should never preorder one.
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foolm0r0n
03/28/2024
08:06 PM
#49
What games should you do that for?
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/2024
08:09 PM
#50
I feel like some kind of distinction would be useful between 'game genuinely needs a subscription model to keep lights on/requires paying a one-time purchase up front' live service games and 'game funds itself with mtx, potentially ones that sell player power'. An MMO is worth getting excited about even if it charges a sub. A gacha isn't worth getting excited for until it's proven itself, since the model is fundamentally predatory and not just transactional.
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