Finished Before the Storm. Chloe Price is easily my Character of the Decade.

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Board 8 » Finished Before the Storm. Chloe Price is easily my Character of the Decade.
FFDragon
12/19/2019
05:09 PM
#1
Life is Strange 1/Before the Storm spoilers obv

I've started on my immense backlog, especially those that I missed completely during my dark era and after RE2Make this was the one I really wanted to get to.

I didn't think a prequel could work to LiS since... Well we knew how it all ends, but damn was I wrong. In some aspects it even hits harder than the original. The end of Episode one where Rachel goes all pyro has stuck with me the most, I haven't been able to stop listening to "Flaws" since then.

But yes, Chloe. Seeing the evolution of her relationship with Rachel and why she was so hellbent on finding her really just fully fleshed out the character. After BtS, the end of LiS Ep4 hits even harder. And Rachel isn't a great person, but then again neither is Max. But everything comes together where you get the full feel of Chloe's character.

And BtS only strengthens my resolve in #SacrificeChloe, don't @ me. I think it's the perfect end to her arc and makes her a nearly perfect character.

Since there's only like 2 weeks left in this year, I doubt my mind changes on this either. With just LiS Chloe was top ten, with BtS she's the runaway (no pun) number one.

Make arguments for your number ones if you must, just know you'll be wrong and I am unshakable on this fact.
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The Mana Sword
12/19/2019
05:55 PM
#2
This is a reasonable choice and I have no rebuttal tbqh
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Underleveled
12/19/2019
06:07 PM
#3
Chloe is probably a top 10 character in anything ever for me.

I'm like barely exaggerating there. She's probably like top 15.
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GANON1025
12/19/2019
06:08 PM
#4
How about a little ol character named Piers Nivans?
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OrangeCrush980
12/19/2019
06:22 PM
#5
Before the Storm was super pointless. What's the point in interacting with a bunch of characters that we already know will die in 3 years ?
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FFDragon
12/19/2019
06:29 PM
#6
Well after being the spectre that loomed over the entirety of LiS it was nice to actually see Rachel in action.
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Leonhart4
12/19/2019
08:38 PM
#7
Chloe is easily my least favorite character of the decade
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HaRRicH
12/19/2019
08:49 PM
#8
Chloe's great. Max is better and BiS doesn't compare with 1 (that rewind mechanic is the champ of this series), but yeah she's terrific.
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Underleveled
12/19/2019
08:50 PM
#9
FFDragon posted...
And BtS only strengthens my resolve in #SacrificeChloe, don't @ me. I think it's the perfect end to her arc and makes her a nearly perfect character.
Sacrifice Chloe is the true ending IMO. Even if everything else seems to indicate that it's the alternate ending. It's just too perfect.
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Johnbobb
12/19/2019
08:56 PM
#10
Chloe and Max are both among my all-time favorite vg characters and probably characters overall

Rachel and Kate are also great and deserve recognition as well

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davidponte
12/19/2019
09:11 PM
#11
I actually preferred Before the Storm to the first Life is Strange.

Before playing it, I too thought, "man there's no way this short prequel could be better, and it's going to suffer without Max", only to realize that Chloe indeed is actually the best character from the series.

Something about learning more about Rachel and the knowledge of what was yet to come made it an incredibly emotional journey for me. It ended up making it into my top 25 games of the decade.
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SeabassDebeste
12/19/2019
10:43 PM
#12
no interest in BTS but chloe has gotta be one of my top characters of the decade. almost certainly best vg character given lack of competition.
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TotallyNotMI
12/19/2019
11:59 PM
#13
Yeah I didn't think I'd care for BtS so I put off playing it.

It was great.
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Ngamer64
12/20/2019
12:33 AM
#14
Well said and I very much agree, I just pray Leon will find time to play through BtS in 2020 to discover the error of his ways.

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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
07:59 AM
#15
Ngamer64 posted...
Well said and I very much agree, I just pray Leon will find time to play through BtS in 2020 to discover the error of his ways.

don't count on it

Life is Strange was fine but mostly because of Kate

I don't really have a lot of interest in the series going forward
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
10:15 AM
#16
Johnbobb posted...
Rachel and Kate are also great and deserve recognition as well

LeonhartFour posted...
Life is Strange was fine but mostly because of Kate
Kate is straight up my favorite character in all of gaming.
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StifledSilence
12/20/2019
11:06 AM
#17
I thought Chloe was super annoying and I was glad I could sacrifice her to save good characters like Kate.
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azuarc
12/20/2019
11:12 AM
#18
BTS was better than the original, easily. LIS had two key moments that were super powerful, at the ends of episodes 2 and 4, but a lot of it was nonsense or filler. BTS's writing was consistently strong, largely because of the dynamic between Chloe and Rachel, and I'd much rather listen to Chloe's thoughts and watch her actions than mousy Max.

LIS certainly should have been better. The premise of being able to rewind time has so many applications. There just weren't enough places where you could do that meaningfully, and then it evolved into other weird powers later on rather than sticking to what should have made it work. But because LIS takes the time to cultivate all these characters, it's that much more powerful when we see the continuation of them -- even if it is a prequel and therefore we know where these people end up. Simply seeing how Chloe changes from who she is during that gulf between her happy childhood with Max to the counter-culture defiant bitch she becomes is extremely rewarding.
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
11:25 AM
#19
Come on Leon, when have I steered you wrong?

(Besides letting you host SMFFFC, I am so sorry I shifted that burden onto you.)

BTS definitely deserves a playthrough, it's only 3 (3.5 if you include Farewell, but then you get to play as Max again if that's a selling point) episodes and is in many ways the superior experience.
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Leonhart4
12/20/2019
11:34 AM
#20
Nah, it's fine. You couldn't have foreseen what SMFFFC would evolve into after you left. I did mostly enjoy it and I got to go out with a good final (perhaps the last good final based on the last couple years).
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
04:01 PM
#21
XIII vs IV forever
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Leonhart4
12/20/2019
04:39 PM
#22
The darkest timeline
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voltch
12/20/2019
04:43 PM
#23
Liked LiS, liked BtS, liked Max, yet didn't like Chloe or Rachel all that much.
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Nanis23
12/20/2019
05:41 PM
#24
Chloe is defiently a well written character. One of the most well wtitten characters this decade for sure.

Bhe she is also a annoying, rebel teenager that I couldn't stand
So yeah, she is a good written pain in the ass
If you like this kind of character, good for you, but she annoyed the hell out of me
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
05:49 PM
#25
Surprisingly Chloe is like the best of her friend group despite the 'rebel' front.

Max ghosted her and Rachel manipulated her, and Chloe basically lived for both of them.
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
06:56 PM
#26
I mean yeah pretty much all of the significant characters have some really undesirable quality except for Kate and William, but I think it makes them pretty real actually. I mean I guess the villains are like, almost cartoonishly over-the-top, but the traits they portray are real traits you'd find in a truly detestable person.
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
06:57 PM
#27
yeah but I actually want to like the characters in a game
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
07:03 PM
#28
LeonhartFour posted...
yeah but I actually want to like the characters in a game
I mean, you literally picked your username after a character that spends half his game going out of his way to be un-personable and bitching about anyone who acts even remotely positive.

Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Squall. But I fucking love Chloe too.
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
07:07 PM
#29
except that doesn't make him unlikable

Chloe is unlikable
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
08:23 PM
#30
The entire point of Chloe's character is that she's super likable!
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
08:48 PM
#31
well then LIS failed at making their point
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
09:03 PM
#32
Not really!

I mean, BTS goes much deeper into fleshing it out, but LIS does a fine job.

The combination of her dad dying and then Max ghosting her at her lowest point warps her for sure, but the alternate timeline shows you "pure" Chloe. And all of the interactions with her throughout LIS shows that is still the same Chloe at the core.
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
09:10 PM
#33
Eh, I wasn't even that fond of alternate Chloe because she went maximum passive aggressive and basically rejects Max if you don't pull the plug like she wants.

and that was always my problem with Chloe in LIS

she pitches a fit any time Max doesn't just do whatever she wants
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KCF0107
12/20/2019
09:17 PM
#34
FFDragon posted...
The entire point of Chloe's character is that she's super likable!
Uh no? She's intentionally abrasive, and she really only softens her stance for Max and occasionally someone else. It's only through emotional manipulation that you are supposed to ultimately view her through a positive lens, and I say this as someone who liked the game and ultimately liked Chloe.
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
09:18 PM
#35
LeonhartFour posted...
Eh, I wasn't even that fond of alternate Chloe because she went maximum passive aggressive and basically rejects Max if you don't pull the plug like she wants.
I didn't make this choice and only saw it in LPs but yeah this is not a great moment and completely contrasts with the way the alternate timeline is supposed to have preserved her original personality. Plus, even in a game that is supposed to fuck with you emotionally, that whole scene seemed particularly uncomfortable. That was the choice that took me the longest to make in the entire game. I legit threw down my controller and thought out loud for a good two minutes. Even though I knew Max was going to go back to the original timeline and it wasn't going to matter anyway.
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GANON1025
12/20/2019
09:19 PM
#36
I think most people really didn't like her after her early outburst about Max answering her phone in Ep. 2, so much so the writers added Chloe apologizing for that later.
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
09:23 PM
#37
GANON1025 posted...
I think most people really didn't like her after her early outburst about Max answering her phone in Ep. 2, so much so the writers added Chloe apologizing for that later.
As long as you save Kate. If you don't, it makes Chloe look even worse for reaming Max for answering a phone call from a suicidal person. She does show some sympathy to Max, but as a "sorry for your loss," not a "sorry for being a c***."
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
09:25 PM
#38
The phone call is not a good look for Chloe, but after having been ghosted for a few years once already I can see where the dread could come from. The fear of it all happening again.

And I very much disagree with your stance KCF.
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
09:31 PM
#39
If you really think Chloe is "likable" because she was a sweetheart until going through something traumatic, I think you need to reevaluate your definition of "likable." She's enjoyable as hell as a character, but, in the frame of the games, she is not a likable person.
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
09:32 PM
#40
Eh, KCF is basically right. She gets mad whenever Max doesn't do what she wants. I learned this because pretty much every plan Chloe came up with was dumb (and gameplay usually bore this out), so she was always getting mad at me for the choices I made, which didn't exactly endear me to her.
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
09:53 PM
#41
She's likable in spite on going through something traumatic tbqh

Rebel Chloe is the superior personality anyway, I was making a point that base Chloe never disappears and you can see that throughout the games.

No re-evaluation necessary.
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
09:55 PM
#42
eh rebel Chloe reminds me too much of Jack

actually now that I think about it ME2 was this decade too

Chloe might be off the hook
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Underleveled
12/20/2019
10:11 PM
#43
Rebel Chloe is a person that I would not like to associate with. If we were co-workers, I might appreciate her putting down of stupid people and occasionally enjoy shittalking with her, but otherwise wouldn't want to go near her and wouldn't even friend her on FB. That's not a likable person.
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FFDragon
12/20/2019
10:17 PM
#44
Jack best squadmate, we've had this discussion too Leon.
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LeonhartFour
12/20/2019
10:18 PM
#45
hashtag Miranda was right
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Robazoid
12/21/2019
02:28 AM
#46
I think BtS is equal to LiS (meaning they're both tied for being the best game ever) and Chloe is the best character ever, so I like this topic!

BtS really impressed me with how well the new dev understood her character. Minor Ep1 spoilers The SMASH scene at the junkyard was amazing. Lesser writers would've had Chloe just break down and cry after Rachel left, but that isn't how Chloe processes things. She lashes out and breaks things. It was great.
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FFDragon
12/21/2019
11:44 AM
#47
That's my favorite graffiti moment in the game too.
If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person?
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KokoroAkechi
12/21/2019
11:47 AM
#48
I think more people want you to reevaluate what likable means.
FFDragon
12/21/2019
11:47 AM
#49
I like Chloe.

Likeable.
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FFDragon
12/21/2019
11:51 AM
#50
Like, I wish I could have gone to concerts in abandon Mills with Chloe.
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