I dunno, ask him. Am I supposed to have perfect knowledge on this?So you just believe a vague claim with no evidence.
I'm not sure why you beleive any lie that comes out as long as it's anti-dem. Only you can answer that question.Believe any lie so long as it's anti-dem? I have no idea where this bs keeps coming from and neither do the people that repeat it. First I'm crazy cause I'm anti-CoG and pro dem and now I'm crazy cause I question my elected representatives. Funny how CE is sometimes.
Who where these secret Dems that where planning on voting to end the shutdown?
Believe any lie so long as it's anti-dem? I have no idea where this bs keeps coming from and neither do the people that repeat it. First I'm crazy cause I'm anti-CoG and pro dem and now I'm crazy cause I question my elected representatives. Funny how CE is sometimes.Yes you certainly do act crazy don't you?
But anyways, we keep on going on and on about that 52 vs 47 number. Do you think it's at all suspicious that CE understands the Dems numbers better than the Senate does? What do you think their goals of the shutdown even were?What are the goals of the shutdown?
What are the goals of the shutdown?Were they though? If it's so obvious to us that they'd fail to extract any concessions because they didn't have the numbers then what was even the point of it all in the first?
I think the vast majoriety of the Dems tried to protect healthcare.
You seem to think every single Dem wanted to destroy Healthcare, when shown only 8 betrayed the party you twist into a knot to say that all of them are somehow guilty and that Republicans do not deserve even a second of of your ire.
Is that correct?
Yes you certainly do act crazy don't you?And the only consistent thing in the accusation is lies and inconsistency. Funny how that goes.
Here's the problem that you seem to be missing.We are on a closed message board on a dying website with a population under 200. Do you honestly think I have ANY impact on "the average voter"? I'm not a YouTuber with 100,000 subscribers. I should not need reduce my criticism for fear of a audience that doesn't exist going out and voting Trump because they don't understand that a Democrat will always be the better option.
It's fine to criticize Democrats for their fallings. The problem is when criticism of Democrats is all you do. A big part of why Trump won was that people just didn't talk about criticism towards Trump. Everything was focused on the faults of Biden and Harris. Then you have a media also wrapping things up to downplay the things Trump was saying while overanalyzing any possible critique you could have about Biden or Harris.
This is what the average voter sees. They see people are upset with Democrats and have no issues with Trump and then proceed to vote Trump. Then we're in this mess of Trump and the republican party attacking rights and trying to take away people's safety nets and we're back to complaining about Democrats when none of this would be happening in the first if Republicans were not put into power.
And as I said earlier, it's weird that you would make a poll about how many people Democrats are going to kill as a result of ACA subsidies being removed which is only happening due to Republicans are in power, but did not have the same energy when Trump was fighting to not pay out SNAP.I had nothing to add, I don't know what to tell you. The Republicans are evil and they were killing poor people because the Democrats were stopping them from killing even more poor people.
Were they though? If it's so obvious to us that they'd fail to extract any concessions because they didn't have the numbers then what was even the point of it all in the first?So why do you think they stopped the Trump admin with a shutdown in the first place?
And the only consistent thing in the accusation is lies and inconsistency. Funny how that goes.I don't think it's funny.
No, after last night the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place.
I genuinely do not know what to say to you aside of "the highest order of contempt for the GOP is implied".
If the Democrats fail to adequately fight back against an administration that wants to usher an era of unparalleled suffering into the world, they deserve to be criticized for it. I'm not some unwitting tool of propagandists and it's frankly insulting that you think I have no agency in what I do. If you have a problem with what I'm saying beyond "you're attacking Democrats too much", then say it.
We are on a closed message board on a dying website with a population under 200. Do you honestly think I have ANY impact on "the average voter"? I'm not a YouTuber with 100,000 subscribers. I should not need reduce my criticism for fear of a audience that doesn't exist going out and voting Trump because they don't understand that a Democrat will always be the better option.
I had nothing to add, I don't know what to tell you. The Republicans are evil and they were killing poor people because the Democrats were stopping them from killing even more poor people.
So why do you think they stopped the Trump admin with a shutdown in the first place?They stopped Trump from doing what, exactly? In this very topic we keep on saying 47 Dem senators willingly embarked on a losing mission to protect ACA subsidies with a government shutdown, just for it to obviously fail because 52 is larger than 47 and you don't think the premise is at all noteworthy? If their mission was always going to fail then would it be accurate to say that Dems opened the government again when 8 defected?
8 of them caved and those should be ousted from the party
don't think it's funny.I came into the topic and tried to engage in a conversation and was met with lies about my posts and insults. Very very funny.
You came into a topic that is about 100% blaming the entire Democratic party for what.. The Republicans are going to do.
Frankly I am so sick and tired of people like TC giving the Republicans a free pass because "Tee hee, would'nt do any good to talk about them tee he."People like TC criticize Dems because there are no freaking Trump supporters here. We have so many topics with people calling them out and it's all crickets because they literally do not exist on CE in large enough numbers to sustain a dialogue. Why do you think anyone wants to make a topic of discussion just for it to be empty?
They stopped Trump from doing what, exactly? In this very topic we keep on saying 47 Dem senators willingly embarked on a losing mission to protect ACA subsidies with a government shutdown, just for it to obviously fail because 52 is larger than 47 and you don't think the premise is at all noteworthy? If their mission was always going to fail then would it be accurate to say that Dems opened the government again when 8 defected?So in your mind why did Democrats keep the shutdown going?
People like TC criticize Dems because there are no freaking Trump supporters here. We have so many topics with people calling them out and it's all crickets because they literally do not exist on CE in large enough numbers to sustain a dialogue. Why do you think anyone wants to make a topic of discussion just for it to be empty?AH just posting in bad faith for clicks. Got it!
"Hey guys, here's Republicans doing bad"
Then the topic is just 5 posts of people saying "gosh I know" then it falls off the front page and purges. It's been like that since the election.
"I have nothing to say about Republicans being evil unless I can blame Republicans being evil on Democrats."I'm not blaming the GOP being evil on the Democrats, I'm criticizing Democrats for ceding ground to the Republicans (which enables them to do more evil) and being horrific opposition to them, which is their default state.
So in your mind why did Democrats keep the shutdown going?At this point I'm thinking it was just to energize the base going into the election.
AH just posting in bad faith for clicks. Got it!You and Panda Master are the only people I've ever heard of that come to CE or gamefaqs in general just to talk to themselves.
At this point I'm thinking it was just to energize the base going into the election.
You and Panda Master are the only people I've ever heard of that come to CE or gamefaqs in general just to talk to themselves.
If you want more people to criticize republicans then why don't you make more topics about them? Instead of this one where we (attempt) to talk about Dem strategy we can talk about Republicans instead. If you make the topic I'll try to be the 1st to reply.
I'm not blaming the GOP being evil on the Democrats, I'm criticizing Democrats for ceding ground to the Republicans (which enables them to do more evil) and being horrific opposition to them, which is their default state.
I'm not blaming the GOP being evil on the Democrats, I'm criticizing Democrats for ceding ground to the Republicans (which enables them to do more evil) and being horrific opposition to them, which is their default state.
If you want more people to criticize republicans then why don't you make more topics about them? Instead of this one where we (attempt) to talk about Dem strategy we can talk about Republicans instead. If you make the topic I'll try to be the 1st to reply.This topic was always going to be a tire fire because it starts with a pro-Republican framing of the issue and predictably went to shit from there.
At this point I'm thinking it was just to energize the base going into the election.Okey you don't seem to be reading my posts but maybe that was just a mistake on your part. I'll try again.
You and Panda Master are the only people I've ever heard of that come to CE or gamefaqs in general just to talk to themselves.
If you want more people to criticize republicans then why don't you make more topics about them? Instead of this one where we (attempt) to talk about Dem strategy we can talk about Republicans instead. If you make the topic I'll try to be the 1st to reply.
No, after last night the dems assumed full responsibility for the deaths that will be taking place.
You are literally directly blaming the Democrats with this poll, don't even try to pretend otherwise.Yes, I'm blaming them for caving to the GOP (who are evil) which will result in lots of dead people (which is bad). If they didn't cave, this topic wouldn't exist and I wouldn't criticize them. It's very simple.
Yes, I'm blaming them for caving to the GOP (who are evil) which will result in lots of dead people (which is bad). If they didn't cave, this topic wouldn't exist and I wouldn't criticize them. It's very simple.
Yes, I'm blaming them for caving to the GOP (who are evil) which will result in lots of dead people (which is bad). If they didn't cave, this topic wouldn't exist and I wouldn't criticize them. It's very simple.If the Democrats didn't cave, there would also be lots of dead people.
Yet, again, as many keep saying, you are ALWAYS radio silent whenever the GOP actually does the evil shit in the first place.It's why I have TC tagged as "GOP".
This happens every single time. You make a topic blaming Democrats. People get on your case for never blaming the GOP. You say "What, do I have to preface everything by saying yes, the GOP are evil, and they did this?" People go "At this point, yes, because you never actually say that, UNLESS people are calling you out!" And then rinse and repeat, you make a new topic only blaming Democrats again.
It's incredibly transparent.
If the Democrats didn't cave, there would also be lots of dead people.
That's the part of the story your framing deliberately omits.
Okey you don't seem to be reading my posts but maybe that was just a mistake on your part. I'll try again.So do you actually agree with what I said or not? Seems like you kinda stopped reading what I said cause you decided to lecture me about Dustino for some strange reason instead of continue with the actual point of our conversation.
You can criticise the Dems but if you are trying to fully blame them for what Republicans are doing I have a problem with it.
Like this topic. Which claims...
So do you actually agree with what I said or not? Seems like you kinda stopped reading what I said cause you decided to lecture me about Dustino for some strange reason instead of continue with the actual point of our conversation.You think the only reason they shutdown the goverment was to get people to vote?
I'm not about to let criticism of how the Democrats played their latest losing hand distract from the fact that the voters are the ones that ensured Democrats only have losing hands, and that Republicans are the fucking perps of all this shit.
This topic was always going to be a tire fire because it starts with a pro-Republican framing of the issue and predictably went to shit from there.And I think this just loops back to my earlier question of what even was the point of attempting the shutdown in the first place if their losing hand was so glaringly obvious to CEmen but not our Democrat senators.
And no, the Green Lantern theory of politics (i.e., with sufficient willpower, anything is possible) is not a strategy.
Shit like this has been baked into the cake since the election. I'm not about to let criticism of how the Democrats played their latest losing hand distract from the fact that the voters are the ones that ensured Democrats only have losing hands, and that Republicans are the fucking perps of all this shit.
And I think this just loops back to my earlier question of what even was the point of attempting the shutdown in the first place if their losing hand was so glaringly obvious to CEmen but not our Democrat senators.
You think the only reason they shutdown the goverment was to get people to vote?Well I asked if it was to get ACA subsidies and I keep being told I'm silly for even thinking of it cause 52 is a larger number than 47. If the only thing Dems achieved out of the shutdown was positive voter turnout then what other conclusions am I supposed to draw from the shutdown? Did they get absolutely anything besides that from the shutdown?
Would you rather Democrats never try to fight the Republicans?No than he would cry that they never fight them.
Would you rather Democrats never try to fight the Republicans?Do you think it helps their longterm perception issue of being weak and feckless if they willingly take on losing battles just to achieve nothing? Why are they engaging in government shutdowns if they're going to cave when people go unpaid? Did they not know that's what happens during a shutdown? Are they stupid?
Well I asked if it was to get ACA subsidies and I keep being told I'm silly for even thinking of it cause 52 is a larger number than 47.I do not recall saying you where silly for saying this. Could you quote me?
If the only thing Dems achieved out of the shutdown was positive voter turnout then what other conclusions am I supposed to draw from the shutdown? Did they get absolutely anything besides that from the shutdown?Fighting a losing battle is still fighting. If they did nothing would you apllaud them?
If the Democrats didn't cave, there would also be lots of dead people.We have been over this THREE TIMES in this topic. Deaths from SNAP going unfunded are a speck of dust compared to the mass graves we will see from the Obamacare subsidies expiring. The two are not equivalent in ANY way just because people will die in both cases. If you disagree with my assessment, I would LOVE to know why.
That's the part of the story your framing deliberately omits.
This seems like an odd place to put your investment. I have already admitted that I am simply crestfallen beyond belief with the dems.Its not odd at all. Reality says one thing. You admitted reality is the Democrats are not fully responsible for the deaths that will take place as you claimed in Post 4. Yet you are by your own admission championing a narrative that isnt reality, because, "optics."
Do you think it helps their longterm perception issue of being weak and feckless if they willingly take on losing battles just to achieve nothing? Why are they engaging in government shutdowns if they're going to cave when people go unpaid? Did they not know that's what happens during a shutdown? Are they stupid?
It's why Biden's signature legislation even excited to begin with.There's a couple different ways to read this sentence and I'm not sure which one was intended.
We have been over this THREE TIMES in this topic. Deaths from SNAP going unfunded are a speck of dust compared to the mass graves we will see from the Obamacare subsidies expiring. The two are not equivalent in ANY way just because people will die in both cases. If you disagree with my assessment, I would LOVE to know why.Hungry people do not matter to you? Good to know.
And I think this just loops back to my earlier question of what even was the point of attempting the shutdown in the first place if their losing hand was so glaringly obvious to CEmen but not our Democrat senators.All options for D Senators suck, thanks to the voters.
We have been over this THREE TIMES in this topic. Deaths from SNAP going unfunded are a speck of dust compared to the mass graves we will see from the Obamacare subsidies expiring. The two are not equivalent in ANY way just because people will die in both cases. If you disagree with my assessment, I would LOVE to know why.
Fighting a losing battle is still fighting. If they did nothing would you apllaud them?Ok and where are they now? They have people calling for Schumer's resignation and they had SNAP benefits pulled from underneath them. Is it not at all noteworthy that they entered into a losing battle just to end up in a worse position than if they had did nothing at all? If they didn't do all this just to energize the base then what was it for? ACA subsidies? Where are they? What happened to that?
If all they got was to get people to vote than it was still a good move.
So you would rather go 1 month without food than 1 month without health insurance?People call me "bad faith" and then say comically stupid shit like this. Incredible.
So you would rather go 1 month without food than 1 month without health insurance?You really dont have any grasp as to why people are upset about this huh? Lmao
They are the minority party. You are getting upset that the minority party is unable to gain more votes than the majority party.See, another dude saying it was a forgone conclusion. Sure fight the GOP but why are we aiming to lose and and come out worse? Is it impossible to pick better battles or do we have to throw ourselves at each and every opportunity just to come out worse?
Want to change it? Vote the majority party out of power in mid terms.
People call me "bad faith" and then say comically stupid shit like this. Incredible.You're the one who still hasn't figured out that food insecurity is a massive detriment to health.
Ok and where are they now? They have people calling for Schumer's resignation and they had SNAP benefits pulled from underneath them. Is it not at all noteworthy that they entered into a losing battle just to end up in a worse position than if they had did nothing at all? If they didn't do all this just to energize the base then what was it for? ACA subsidies? Where are they? What happened to that?So you want Democrats to not fight?
People call me "bad faith" and then say comically stupid shit like this. Incredible.Nothing bad faith about it. Food is more short term needed than healthcare. What's bad faith about pointing that out?
We have been over this THREE TIMES in this topic. Deaths from SNAP going unfunded are a speck of dust compared to the mass graves we will see from the Obamacare subsidies expiring. The two are not equivalent in ANY way just because people will die in both cases. If you disagree with my assessment, I would LOVE to know why.
I make topics about GOP misconduct and failures all the time!Sorry I thought I responded to this.
See, another dude saying it was a forgone conclusion. Sure fight the GOP but why are we aiming to lose and and come out worse? Is it impossible to pick better battles or do we have to throw ourselves at each and every opportunity just to come out worse?