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Having now actually read the novels proper the movies feel like fanfiction.

Well made, acted, directed and produced fanfiction but still fanfiction.
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Why didn't Don Henley and his friends fly the ring to Mt. Doom?
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Yeah, there's that.

But in defense of the movies, following the books closely wouldn't work in a movie. E.g., people would get bored and leave the theaters before Frodo et al. even get out of the Shire.

So some liberties had to be taken. Others were much more optional (and annoying).
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Well yeah, the movie is not 3 hours of establishing shots and landscape.
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Why didn't the eagles just fuck off entirely and leave Frodo and Sam to burn to death on the slopes of Mt. Doom ?

Nobody ever considers that side of the question for some reason.
Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read.
Why didn't the eagles have a cave troll?
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Why didn't the eagles have a cave troll?
Cause Jerry left it out in the sun again.
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mobilebloechel posted...
Where are they taking the Hobbits again?

I can't remember.
Some place with more doors. I can't remember the name of it.
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I reread the books recently. The movies really beefed some parts, but at the same time they're probably the best we ever could have gotten from big budget Hollywood adaptations.
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mobilebloechel posted...
Where are they taking the Hobbits again?

I can't remember.

Morder
The books are boring so
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I literally cannot believe the movies cut out Frodo returning to a destroyed Shire

If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!!
Why didnt the eagles just kill Sauron
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Some changes I can accept because they're movies, but some decisions they made bother me mostly character based ones.

I'm torn on the scouring not being in the movies. It's a significant part of the books and the hobbits returning home like nothing happened is pretty different, but then the movie would be like 5 hours long.
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EPR-radar posted...
Yeah, there's that.

But in defense of the movies, following the books closely wouldn't work in a movie. E.g., people would get bored and leave the theaters before Frodo et al. even get out of the Shire.

So some liberties had to be taken. Others were much more optional (and annoying).
I guess I should add that I am mostly referring to the unnecesarry changes that have nothing to do with how long the films are.
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The Scouring of the Shire was a major loss, but overall the books are very boring in comparison.
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PraetorXyn posted...
The Scouring of the Shire was a major loss, but overall the books are very boring in comparison.

One of Christopher Tolkiens big complaints about the movies, that the story was reduced to an action movie, missing much of what his father put into it.
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books coulda used a little more action if ya know what im sayin
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mobilebloechel posted...
Where are they taking the Hobbits again?

I can't remember.
Isengard. They taking the hobbits to Isengard
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vycebrand2 posted...
Isengard. They taking the hobbits to Isengard
The hobbits the hobbits
They left out Gandalf being a brute

If you dont let me in, Frodo, I shall blow your door right down your hole and out through the hill, he said.

and Frodo causing a controversy:

Just why Mr. Frodo was selling his beautiful hole was even more debatable than the price.
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Southernfatman posted...
I'm torn on the scouring not being in the movies. It's a significant part of the books and the hobbits returning home like nothing happened is pretty different, but then the movie would be like 5 hours long.

Leaving out the Scouring actually makes that problem worse. If RotK feels too long it's because it has a very, very long ending after the quest succeeds, with no drama to break it up. Including the Scouring could have fixed that despite actually making the film longer.
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They could have just divided Lord of the Rings into 9 movies and then each movie wouldn't have to be super long, but they would also get to include everything

3 movies per book
Just why Mr. Frodo was selling his beautiful hole was even more debatable than the price.

to be fair, if they had included this line it just would have been memed forever
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
Leaving out the Scouring actually makes that problem worse. If RotK feels too long it's because it has a very, very long ending after the quest succeeds, with no drama to break it up. Including the Scouring could have fixed that despite actually making the film longer.
The theatrical version of the film couldn't even include a few minutes to give Saruman a proper ending (which Christopher Lee was livid about for years). No way was the Scouring getting included.
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Spurner posted...
Ol Tom Bombadil got done dirty.

No he didnt. His are the worst chapters in the books and he wouldnt fit into the movies even if this wasnt the case. Terrible stuff. I have to skip his chapters every time I read the books.

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mobilebloechel posted...
Where are they taking the Hobbits again?

I can't remember.
to the brick and mortar store cus amazon doesn't deliver to the shire :(
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DarkAssassin89 posted...
His are the worst chapters in the books and he wouldnt fit into the movies even if this wasnt the case. Terrible stuff.

The nicest thing I can say about this is that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

DarkAssassin89 posted...
I have to skip his chapters every time I read the books.

You don't actually have to, you know.
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thronedfire2 posted...
to be fair, if they had included this line it just would have been memed forever

Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort.
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Tom got done dirty in the movies because having a god around and not helping with the whole Sauron thing would have just been silly to everyone watching it
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thronedfire2 posted...
Tom got done dirty in the movies because having a god around and not helping with the whole Sauron thing would have just been silly to everyone watching it
The books established Tom is only godlike in his own domain. Outside of it, he is significantly less powerful. Granted, trying to explain this in the movies may have not been as effective, so no wonder he got mostly cut.
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I'm a huge Tolkien fan, but admittedly, I saw the movies before reading the books and supplemental material as well. But the appendices in the extended edition DVDs really provide a lot of insight into the decisions that Jackson and the producers made. And they make sense, tbh.

For example, Tom Bombadil and the Scouring of the Shire just don't work from a cinematic perspective. It was definitely the right call to omit those scenes; it would've been a huge pacing issue.

However, there are definitely some things I disagree with, like the changes to Faramir's character.
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Awakened_Link posted...
However, there are definitely some things I disagree with, like the changes to Faramir's character.
Yeah...having him violently arrest and torture Gollum over entering a forbidden pond wasn't a good choice. Plus the fact it undid all the growth Gollum had made.
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Awakened_Link posted...
like the changes to Faramir's character.
his faracter
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Hayame_Zero posted...
An excuse to pull out this classic:

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Even if he never sled down the stairs in the books I still imagined Legolas to be that nimble when reading. He can walk on top of fresh snow and gets crazy head counts during battles.
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Southernfatman posted...
Some changes I can accept because they're movies, but some decisions they made bother me mostly character based ones.

I'm torn on the scouring not being in the movies. It's a significant part of the books and the hobbits returning home like nothing happened is pretty different, but then the movie would be like 5 hours long.
I honestly didn't like the Scouring. It felt so weird with Frodo and the Fellowship having just completed this epic quest, killed the dark lord, vanquished evil... oh, but now they have to go put down a wizard-led coup in their farm village.

I actually think the way the movies handled it was *more* poignant. The hobbits coming back home as war veterans to a town that is unchanged and largely oblivious to the horrors they went through is a powerful story moment that fits in perfectly with the ending. There's one particularly masterful scene in that sequence that I absolutely love, which is when they all gather at the pub, share a silent toast, and quietly drink. It's a moment where none of them are talking, and all of them know why no one is talking. It's a moment of shared understanding - that they get each other, and they know that they're the *only ones* who get each other. It's an acknowledgement that they're home, back where they started, but everything's different now - not because home changed, but because they did, and now it doesn't quite feel the same anymore and it never will.

It's a bit of nice foreshadowing for Frodo's ultimate fate, while also showing that none of the hobbits were truly "unscarred" by their experiences.
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EPR-radar posted...
Yeah, there's that.

But in defense of the movies, following the books closely wouldn't work in a movie. E.g., people would get bored and leave the theaters before Frodo et al. even get out of the Shire.

So some liberties had to be taken. Others were much more optional (and annoying).
Eh, even granting this, a lot of the changes were just stupid and baffling. Like man, what did Denethor and Isildur do to Peter Jackson?
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More shocking behavior that was left out: vandalism committed by Gandalf and Bilbo

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Elrond was letting Bilbo stay there free of charge, too, and that's the thanks he gets for it. >:(
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mercurydude posted...
Elrond was letting Bilbo stay there free of charge, too, and that's the thanks he gets for it. >:(
The whole-ass trilogy started because Bilbo pulled a Sackville-Baggins and helped himself to someone's valuables after busting into their home.

Guy's a fucking terrible houseguest.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Eh, even granting this, a lot of the changes were just stupid and baffling. Like man, what did Denethor and Isildur do to Peter Jackson?
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Eh, even granting this, a lot of the changes were just stupid and baffling. Like man, what did Denethor and Isildur do to Peter Jackson?
Denethor and Isildur were both massive fuckups in the books.

Especially Isildur -- he's the idiot that took the Ring for his own.
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