8 yrs later, dat Star and Stripe Arc is still BS *my hero academia spoilers*

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Current Events » 8 yrs later, dat Star and Stripe Arc is still BS *my hero academia spoilers*
What else can compare to dat in anime? Where a hella badass character shows up for da 1st time and den gets... you know ._.
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Reminds me of the shadow beasts from hxh

Also the beginning of Invincible always rubs me wrong
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That was 8 years ago?
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
That was 8 years ago?
It can't be
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tripleh213 posted...
It can't be
Just checked. The manga chapters involving her began in 2021. Goddammit vegy :V
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lilORANG posted...


Also the beginning of Invincible always rubs me wrong

What happened?
Water+Fall=Radiation.
lilORANG posted...
Reminds me of the shadow beasts from hxh
Togashi sure loves his rushing of major build-ups/being anticlimactic.
...I think I'm done here...
She only exists just to be killed so the audience can see how strong Shigiraki has gotten. What makes me mad is she hero worshiped All Might and they could have let her reach Japan and fight alongside her idol before she died at least.
Yeah that fight was bullshit. That season was when I really started mentally checking out with MHA. Shigaraki had so many ass pull saves because the author didn't want him to be defeated yet.

KhlavicLanguage posted...
That was 8 years ago?
Nah, vegy always does that with dates. Makes something sound way older than it actually is.
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I like MHA, I need to get caught up on it.

But holy shit that storyline where they were setting up a band or some festival or something for several episodes was a slog. They were in the middle of an exciting arc (the war was about to start) when I dropped out, so now Ill have to rewatch the whole thing and Im not looking forward to that. Its one of only 2 or 5 animes I have enjoyed so at least there is that.
Vegy posted...
What else can compare to dat in anime? Where a hella badass character shows up for da 1st time and den gets... you know ._.

That happens all the time lmao.

She played her role. Not every character is going to come out of a story unscathed.

Nothing wrong with that arc other than peoples expectations
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Toonstrack posted...
That happens all the time lmao.

She played her role. Not every character is going to come out of a story unscathed.

Nothing wrong with that arc other than peoples expectations

The events of those chapters and the fate of that character was wasted potential that became sort of a microcosm of everything wrong with the latter half of BNHA's writing. Blaming the fans for rightfully pointing out blatantly poor storytelljng coming to a head is some serious CE brain.
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Mistere_Man posted...
What happened?
If you've seen it, the Guardians of the Globe getting #rekt in episode 1

of you haven't seen it the plot essentially begins when the "superman" character kills the rest of the"justice league" type team except the way they depict the fight, the JL has no business getting beaten and it was just annoying plot induced jobbing.
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Yeah that whole thing was lame.
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KhlavicLanguage posted...
The events of those chapters and the fate of that character was wasted potential

"Potential" her potential was to do exactly what she did there; that's why she was introduced.

Thats what she's in the story for.

Its not bad writing just because something happened that you didn't like. Thats not what bad writing is.

You know this is the case because you make this argument about literally any character in the manga that dies to a villain without some huge fanfare
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JustMyOpinion posted...
"The fans were wrong for expecting quality writing."

"Its not quality writing because a character the book tells me is powerful loses"

Is the most annoying take that modern internet users with zero media literacy love to throw out. Its become way too prevalent

No, the writer simply played with your expectations in order to establish an impact and a palpable threat but also to necessarily advance the villains mission as well. Its not bad writing. Its pretty clever. Same thing invincible did. Heck invincible does this many times. You just didn't like what happened in the story.
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MotaroRIP619 posted...
I like MHA, I need to get caught up on it.

But holy shit that storyline where they were setting up a band or some festival or something for several episodes was a slog. They were in the middle of an exciting arc (the war was about to start) when I dropped out, so now Ill have to rewatch the whole thing and Im not looking forward to that. Its one of only 2 or 5 animes I have enjoyed so at least there is that.

errr the festival was AFTER they had finished major arc

it was a breather arc

there was no war or anything happening at that time
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lilORANG posted...
If you've seen it, the Guardians of the Globe getting #rekt in episode 1

Its amazing how you can cite an example of the exact same storytelling mechanism used and praise that one but find the MHA inconceivable

Its even funnier because Omniman has WAY less of a reason to be winning that fight and in fact a number of the characters could have survived that but you conveniently let that slide. Shiggy actually had a set up reason why he wins the fight against stars and stripes that they explain to you and you still complain

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NoxObscuras posted...
Yeah that fight was bullshit. That season was when I really started mentally checking out with MHA. Shigaraki had so many ass pull saves because the author didn't want him to be defeated yet.
Same here. I think that was the season where I was thinking has MHA been slop all along?

lilORANG posted...
of you haven't seen it the plot essentially begins when the "superman" character kills the rest of the"justice league" type team except the way they depict the fight, the JL has no business getting beaten and it was just annoying plot induced jobbing.
Tbf, the show made them a lot stronger than they should be. In the comics, they get completely wiped in like a page or two. It wasn't even a fight. Omni just showed up and everyone was dead.
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Toonstrack posted...
Its amazing how you can cite an example of the exact same storytelling mechanism used and praise that one but find the MHA inconceivable

Its even funnier because Omniman has WAY less of a reason to be winning that fight and in fact a number of the characters could have survived that but you conveniently let that slide. Shiggy actually had a set up reason why he wins the fight against stars and stripes that they explain to you and you still complain
I don't know who you think I am but it's not the person you responded to lol
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Lol. You really think I expected someone we barely knew to defeat the main villain? What a stupid thing to say.

she was fighting shiggy. Not the main villain. Its funny, her expectations of this same vein was ultimately her undoing in the story itself.
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GuerillaGorilla posted...
Tbf, the show made them a lot stronger than they should be. In the comics, they get completely wiped in like a page or two. It wasn't even a fight. Omni just showed up and everyone was dead.

In the comics it's off panel IIrc. Like none of it is shown, just the aftermath.

Even tho again, couple of characters on that roster who should have been able to escape and survive. No one ever points this out tho
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lilORANG posted...
I don't know who you think I am but it's not the person you responded to lol

....what? Yeah, it is. My comment was quoting yours...?
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Yeah that was as a pretty big asspull.

So was stars and stripe and youre acting like she got done dirty.

Besides, it's not really if you'd been paying attention to what OFAs plan was since the beginning. It was implied to be happening long before this reveal. It was a clever trick. Not some abomination; a little cheeky maybe, but its not out of the realm of the series to pull off.
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Toonstrack posted...
Is the most annoying take that modern internet users with zero media literacy love to throw out. Its become way too prevalent

No, the writer simply played with your expectations in order to establish an impact and a palpable threat but also to necessarily advance the villains mission as well. Its not bad writing. Its pretty clever. Same thing invincible did. Heck invincible does this many times. You just didn't like what happened in the story.
That's not what makes it bad writing. From a story standpoint she has to lose, that's obvious. Problem one is her power set is ridiculous. Just tone it down. Problem two is making it seem like the sacrifice is worthwhile. She basically off screened some abilities that (mostly) had and probably would never come up. Fix either or even both of those and it's fine.
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JustMyOpinion posted...
We get it. You like shit writing and will justify whatever the author feeds us.

Coulda saved us a lot of posts just saying you didn't have an argument.
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Ivany2008 posted...
Not in anime, but the final boss of Fable 2. I won't spoil it, but if you know, you know.

So disappointing imo!
Water+Fall=Radiation.
I think it is fair to say that it was disappointing because up until that point things were relatively stable.

A LOT of shonen battle anime have that "jumping the shark" moment, let's not kid ourselves. Nearly the entire cast was still relatively powerful in Dragonball, even into the first arc of DBZ. Then, unless you were Saiyan or a Majin, you were basically dirt.

Naruto started off as the dude who was insanely untalented but worked harder than everyone else. The Konoha 12 were all useful and powerful in their own right. Skip ahead into Shippuden, Naruto is insanely gifted, and you better have fucking eye powers or else you're basically pointless.

It is disappointing that MHA makes the same mistake, but it IS a similar type of show.
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Wishbone posted...
That's not what makes it bad writing. From a story standpoint she has to lose, that's obvious. Problem one is her power set is ridiculous. Just tone it down.

Which would solve the 'problem' how? If they make her weaker ppl still know she ain't gonna win but now they realize even less how powerful shiggy has become. The main point of this fight is to establishthe identiy schism shigfy is having, nerf OFA a bit, set up the threat level the heroes face and the stakes, and do some minor world building. Making her weaker solves none if those. Especially when making her weaker wouldn't affect how the fight plays out in a way where she really couldn't win even narratively without having psychic powers too.

Problem two is making it seem like the sacrifice is worthwhile. She basically off screened some abilities that (mostly) had and probably would never come up. Fix either or even both of those and it's fine.

That aspect of it is more of a nice detail than an actual story changer. Removing it or keeping it makes almost no difference. All the other stuff that happens as a result of thus fight still happens. I can't remember what powers specifically got destroyed but id have to reread to see that.

Besides its not really a sacrifice, more like a hail Mary. She lost plain and simple. And wasn't planning to. but she got her digs in in the end.
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Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...
I think it is fair to say that it was disappointing because up until that point things were relatively stable.

A LOT of shonen battle anime have that "jumping the shark" moment, let's not kid ourselves. Nearly the entire cast was still relatively powerful in Dragonball, even into the first arc of DBZ. Then, unless you were Saiyan or a Majin, you were basically dirt.

Naruto started off as the dude who was insanely untalented but worked harder than everyone else. The Konoha 12 were all useful and powerful in their own right. Skip ahead into Shippuden, Naruto is insanely gifted, and you better have fucking eye powers or else you're basically pointless.

It is disappointing that MHA makes the same mistake, but it IS a similar type of show.

yeah so many shonen fall into this and its just annoying

even yuyu hakusho one of my faves

does this at the end of chapter black (and ruined the story the arc was telling in the process)
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It was also real cool when they kill Midnight off-panel yet Gran Torino manages to survive despite get a hole punched through his chest.

If there's one thing that's annoying about MHA, it's how the men can all get insanely vicious injuries and still come out alive somehow and basically back to normal outside of scars but that doesn't exactly work out for the women. Like holy shit with what happens with Mirko over the course of the series.
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Kaitouace posted...
It was also real cool when they kill Midnight off-panel yet Gran Torino manages to survive despite get a hole punched through his chest.

If there's one thing that's annoying about MHA, it's how the men can all get insanely vicious injuries and still come out alive somehow and basically back to normal outside of scars but that doesn't exactly work out for the women. Like holy shit with what happens with Mirko over the course of the show.


lets notf orget ochaco she gets a stab wound from a knife and is in danger of bleeding to death and toga has to die to save her (Spoilers for content not yet in the anime)

mean while bakugo gets to have his heart destroyed and a quick patch job later and he goes on to fight OFA and then after that bloody battle he still gets to help in the big final clash with shiggy for all while ochaco is still barely alive when all that happened to her was she was stabbed by a knife
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I wish people could just accept things

dont criticize product just consume
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lilORANG posted...
Reminds me of the shadow beasts from hxh

Also the beginning of Invincible always rubs me wrong

I feel the beginning of invincible works cause it sets the tone for the rest of the series in my opinion. That anyone can die at any time and the established main heroes are already dead. I think it works personally.
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lilORANG posted...
If you've seen it, the Guardians of the Globe getting #rekt in episode 1

of you haven't seen it the plot essentially begins when the "superman" character kills the rest of the"justice league" type team except the way they depict the fight, the JL has no business getting beaten and it was just annoying plot induced jobbing.
In the comic Nolan one shots each member very easily.
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AceMos posted...
errr the festival was AFTER they had finished major arc

it was a breather arc

there was no war or anything happening at that time

I remember it being a breather arc, I just didnt enjoy it at all and it felt like it dragged longer than I wanted it too.

I stopped watching season 6, so I saw quite a bit of the show. I need to get back into it. I also need to get back into Demon Slayer.
MotaroRIP619 posted...
I remember it being a breather arc, I just didnt enjoy it at all and it felt like it dragged longer than I wanted it too.

I stopped watching season 6, so I saw quite a bit of the show. I need to get back into it. I also need to get back into Demon Slayer.

ehhh demon slayer is carried entirely by its animation it does not pick up in story telling or characterization
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AceMos posted...
ehhh demon slayer is carried entirely by its animation it does not pick up in story telling or characterization

Well damn, I left off where the sister becomes a daywalker and that was awesome. I was really getting into it.
MotaroRIP619 posted...
Well damn, I left off where the sister becomes a daywalker and that was awesome. I was really getting into it.

i had dropped it before then personally

3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance*
Toonstrack posted...
Which would solve the 'problem' how? If they make her weaker ppl still know she ain't gonna win but now they realize even less how powerful shiggy has become. The main point of this fight is to establishthe identiy schism shigfy is having, nerf OFA a bit, set up the threat level the heroes face and the stakes, and do some minor world building. Making her weaker solves none if those. Especially when making her weaker wouldn't affect how the fight plays out in a way where she really couldn't win even narratively without having psychic powers too.
Imagine two stories where every detail is the same except the hero. Let's say Dr. Octopus is terrorizing some city blah blah blah. One scenario has Daredevil losing to him. The other has Thor losing to him. While I'm sure there's some way to make it plausible, one of those scenarios requires a significant amount of work to get me there mentally. In the case of MHA, the work was not done.

Toonstrack posted...
That aspect of it is more of a nice detail than an actual story changer . Removing it or keeping it makes almost no difference. All the other stuff that happens as a result of thus fight still happens. I can't remember what powers specifically got destroyed but id have to reread to see that.
It's a nothing burger. The fight becomes a jobbing session and nothing else. Which is completely fine, people love Solo Leveling. But good writing it is not. Her taking a meaningful quirk away from him gives the encounter a point and does some of the legwork on Shiggy being believably beatable.
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
In the comic Nolan one shots each member very easily.
Yeah the comic did it better
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