Lindsey Graham... 'If you dont understand this is a religious Nazi regime, youre not listening to what they say.'
There's always projection.
Are you arguing that the Iranian government isn't a religious Nazi regime? Their state institutions straight up practice Holocaust denial, they have the destruction of Israel baked into their law, and they've straight up described Jews as filthy bacteria.To sum it up, this is a conflict between two countries with blood and tears on their hands.
I'm 50 years old and I don't think Congress has once authorized any of the military aggression I've seen in this countryThe last time was World War 2, so you are absolutely right. Every war the US has been in starting with the Korean War didn't get Congress Authorization.
Seriously, is this nutters squirrel some notable tankie figurehead, or just a rando twitter addict ranting on a cashew powder high?The former. This is the user whom a lot of radicals and tankies rely on for information regarding the Middle East.
Tankies often being openly anti Ukraine is still so bizarre to meThey like to engage in campism.
Tankies often being openly anti Ukraine is still so bizarre to meIt really isn't strange. "America bad" is the core philosophy of tankies, so obviously America's enemies are good.
i'm conflicted about this whole thing
on one hand, Israel really needs to stop with their bullshit
but on the other hand, Iran is allied to Russia and thus deserves to get their shit kicked in just a bit
The squirrel is a complete Nazi psychopath and her opinion should be disregarded. The Syria Test remains undefeated as a moral benchmarkMost certainly, for both lines.
Ted Cruz says the Bible commands us to support Israel, hes one of the main ones advising Trump on this
https://x.com/antunes1/status/1935363056378536110?s=46&t=pGlQy9QzYotcsUa1DNrknw
he was very quick to say that Netanyahu isn't a dictator even though that wasn't even brought up beforehand
and i never thought i'd see the day when fucking Tucker Carlson is the reasonable one
I can't believe our military has a high chance of dying for Israel.lols as if this hasn't been the end game since forever.
"Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible..."
Not to lie. Not to bear false witness against your neighbor. Not to forsake the poor, the sick, and the hungry. Not to treat immigrants poorly. Go fuck yourself.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/03f12ed9.jpgthis one is funny lol.
You aren't the rebels, Ted
Pakistan 'tells Iran they will NUKE Israel if Israel nukes IranWhy would Israel nuke Iran in the first place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAkU98bWwg
Tankies often being openly anti Ukraine is still so bizarre to me
Pakistan 'tells Iran they will NUKE Israel if Israel nukes Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAkU98bWwg
It's not particularly bizarre to point out why the West has cared so much for protecting Ukraine and not so much for protecting Gazans. The support for one and the rejection of others are to advance goals which secure the financial security of those Western nations. And the lubrication that keeps that machine going is, unsurprisingly, white supremacy.Dawg the squirrel literally called supporting Ukraine a NATO proxy war. Does that sound like a legitimate critique? Do you genuinely believe that a weird portion of online tankies dont support Russia? Because they are very upfront about it. A stupid amount of people DO base their ideology on West bad, and its absurd to try to deny that despite there being legitimate critiques of shit like the US supporting Israel.
It's not "america bad" when we recognize that we should be helping Ukraine from imperialism but then critiquing when that imperialism is being used as leverage against Ukrainians. Like with the rare minerals deal. And when we then compare how what little good we achieve is tainted by this self-motivated desire and contrast it against the relative lack of good we did for Gazans.
If Gaza had resources that we couldn't more easily obtain by supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians, you'd never hear a single politician talk about how Israel has a right to defend themselves. They would magically be able to recognize it's a genocide - and then leverage their aid for whatever said resource would be in this hypothetical. Just as they did with Ukraine.
Really weird to see this phrased in these terms. Can't believe broader Destiny/Asmon and the broader internet culture has really gotten away with branding any valid critique of the US as "tankie." Or well, I can. But I would hope people who are old enough to be posting here would be at least remember the very recent history of the Iraq war. Some of ya'll were even posting here back then, ffs.
It's not particularly bizarre to point out why the West has cared so much for protecting Ukraine and not so much for protecting Gazans. The support for one and the rejection of others are to advance goals which secure the financial security of those Western nations. And the lubrication that keeps that machine going is, unsurprisingly, white supremacy.
It's not "america bad" when we recognize that we should be helping Ukraine from imperialism but then critiquing when that imperialism is being used as leverage against Ukrainians. Like with the rare minerals deal. And when we then compare how what little good we achieve is tainted by this self-motivated desire and contrast it against the relative lack of good we did for Gazans.
If Gaza had resources that we couldn't more easily obtain by supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians, you'd never hear a single politician talk about how Israel has a right to defend themselves. They would magically be able to recognize it's a genocide - and then leverage their aid for whatever said resource would be in this hypothetical. Just as they did with Ukraine.
Really weird to see this phrased in these terms. Can't believe broader Destiny/Asmon and the broader internet culture has really gotten away with branding any valid critique of the US as "tankie." Or well, I can. But I would hope people who are old enough to be posting here would be at least remember the very recent history of the Iraq war. Some of ya'll were even posting here back then, ffs.
Pakistan 'tells Iran they will NUKE Israel if Israel nukes IranThe story is Iran claimed that Pakistan privately said that they'd protect them. And now it's come out in public, Pakistan are walking it back saying that they didn't actually say those exact words to Iran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAkU98bWwg
Pakistan 'tells Iran they will NUKE Israel if Israel nukes IranThis is equivalent to if they said they will nuke India if all the Indians settle on the planet Pluto. The possibility of either one of these events happening is the same >_>.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAkU98bWwg
Dawg the squirrel literally called supporting Ukraine a NATO proxy war. Does that sound like a legitimate critique? [snip for length]
It isn't this and you know that.
The people being decried actively decry Ukrainians as Nazis, make excuses for Russia and paint Ukraine as the aggressor who needs to surrender or be stopped. [snip for length]
I think you could probably liken it to one, considering the forces in play and the way Ukrainians are bleeding for Russian aggression spurred on by such fears. Regardless if Russia's fears about NATO expansion are real or not, and I do not believe that they are, the end result for the Ukrainians fighting for their lives and independence is still the same. From the images that were posted, nothing of this reeks of "Russian support" versus a critique of imperialism. I don't think this person, based on those images, is going "actually russia is super based for invading and slaughtering Ukrainians!!"dawg if youre gonna try to tell me that people colloquially called tankies do not often support Russia then idk what to say. They are not hard to find online, and an unfortunate amount of leftist spaces get overrun by them. I dont understand how this even a dispute. Do you identify yourself as a tankie or something? I see no reason to defend such a regressive ideology.
As for the whole tankie = "russian support"...Whew. If that's the framework you're working with, there's probably going to be too much to untangle there in a single thread to get to the bottom of. That's still not what tankie means, let alone is it being applied correctly to a critique of imperialism.
if youre gonna try to tell me that people colloquially called tankies do not support Russia then idk what to say.
I dont understand how this even a dispute.
I just dont think theres gonna be an agreement if you think taking a random potshot at Ukraine by nobody cares about this nato proxy war is legitimate critique of imperialism. Unless you also dont care about Ukraine being invaded, which I hope youre not saying.
It seems like youre only seeing the squirrels post through the lens of destiny weirdos hating them, but I think you should just read some of their posts. They have some absolutely horrid takes including being an Assad supporter.
I would seriously hope a Gamefaqs mod would be better about looking up context before making a call.
Considering how often I see people called tankies who are called such simply for being a leftist in general, yes. I am going to tell you that people get colloquially called tankies for slop-related, culture war bullshit more often then it is actually applied as a criticism for supporting the Soviet government or modern-day Russia or acceptance of authoritarianism.Alright Im quite obviously not calling leftists in general tankies. There is a vast gulf between being a tankie and being a leftist, and I know you know that. I would hope most leftists dont buy into the NATO provocation Russian propaganda, and actually I know for a fact they dont. A shit ton of online leftists do though, and they get labeled as tankies for it. They arent even close to the majority of leftists, but they do exist.
If you're using tankie like a pejorative for anyone arguing an anti-imperialist stance, then I would totally understand why you don't understand how it's disputable.
You'd have to deliberately overlook most of my post to believe that.
Which tracks with how this discussion has gone on so far, but all the same...To spell it out clearly: yes, I care about Ukraine being invaded. Do you often meet a lot of people who express criticism for Russian occupation, concern for Ukrainians being slaughtered, and people who simultaneously do not care about the invasion in the same breath, or are you just posting in incredibly poor faith?
It's definitely something I'll have to read myself, yes, because this hasn't exactly been the most honest representation of what even was shown in this thread. Thank you for the heads up.
For what's it worth, I'm certainly not a Destiny stan.Yeah neither am I and Im very confused why that was the first thing they assumed when I said tankies being anti-Ukraine is bizarre to me