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I watched all the reboot movies that came out with Chris Pine. They were great. I was looking for something to watch and came upon Star Trek Strange New Worlds. It was great, I loved it. Even the weirder episodes like the cartoon crossover, or the musical episode were awesome. (I was actually jamming to the song I'm Ready from the musical episode on the way in to work this morning)

There was one or two things I was confused on but looked up on a wiki and there was some interesting stuff I read there Like there was a mention of The Burn and that seems interesting.

Anyways, I started Discovery the other day and I'm only on episode 2 but it's not hitting the same. I know this sounds dumb but just the bridge of the ship kind of turns me off, it's all small and dark compared to the Enterprise from SNW which was all colorful and big. It seems like there's a huge focus on the Klingon parts too and those scenes aren't that interesting. Maybe I need to give it some more time.

But what would you watch next?
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The early seasons of Discovery are rough unless you like the Michael Burnham Show
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DS9 or TNG are so damn good. DS9 is my favorite and I would recommend that.
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First two seasons of TNG are rough.
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ablegator posted...
First two seasons of TNG are rough.
Yet there's not much value in skipping any besides maybe Code of Honor. Can't just tell people to go straight to the third season.
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ablegator posted...
First two seasons of TNG are rough.
I thought season 2 was good honestly apart from a couple here and there.
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Starks posted...
The early seasons of Discovery are rough unless you like the Michael Burnham Show

I keep forgetting that's the main chick. The name Michael throws me off. So far I'm not entertained but I'll give it a few more episodes.
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Discovery gets better but it's not one of the greatest Trek shows. Season 2 however heavily features Captain Pike (SNW is technically a spinoff of Discovery even though it's also a prequel to TOS).

Anyway, if you're not really into it there's a lot of other Trek you can watch:
  • TNG is one of the most accessible and holds up great. The first season is rough though. What I like to recommend is if you're not sure if you would like TNG look up a list of some of the best episodes and watch a few. It's so episodic that going out of order isn't a big deal. If you like what you see then you could watch from the beginning.
  • DS9 is my favorite Trek show. Like TNG it gets better after the first couple of seasons but unlike TNG I think it's pretty good from the start. It's not as episodic as TNG with much more of a focus on recurring characters and ongoing storylines.
  • You could go back to the start and watch the original series. SNW is a direct prequel to it so there's a lot of connection there (and even some of the same characters). It is a show from the 60's and because of that some things in it have aged better than others, but I do think overall it holds up well. There are only 3 seasons but you could watch the movies afterward as well.
  • If you liked the crossover episode it might be worth it to watch Lower Decks. I will say a big part of that show is all the references to other Star Trek, which you wouldn't get if you're not that familiar with the franchise, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary to get all of that to enjoy the show.
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ablegator posted...
First two seasons of TNG are rough.

Season two was fine. They really started to find their footing and the show started getting better and better from then on. Plus Riker has the beard starting S2.
The first two seasons of TNG are mostly quite good, it was just the phase of the show where they were feeling out characters, costumes, and filming so they hadn't hit their stride yet.
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ablegator posted...
First two seasons of TNG are rough.

Season 2 is pretty good, its really only the first season thats rough.
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StarDestroyer posted...
Season two was fine. They really started to find their footing and the show started getting better and better from then on. Plus Riker has the beard starting S2.
Yeah, season 2 of TNG isn't quite the great show it would become but it's getting there. It's a lot better than season 1 and The Measure of a Man is legitimately one of the best episodes of the series. Season 2 is also when the Borg were introduced.
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Starks posted...
Yet there's not much value in skipping any besides maybe Code of Honor. Can't just tell people to go straight to the third season.

Measure of a Man is season 2 and is among the best episodes of the series. Other than that, it's worth watching the pilot to be properly introduced to the characters (and one of the series' recurring antagonists ). Everything else is one degree of skippable or another.
Discovery is the least liked show of most fans of old Trek. Whether or not you want to stick with it is up to you, just don't judge the rest of it based on STD.

I would actually recommend some of the Star Trek movies, especially movies 2-4. Star Trek 1 is a movie that a lot of people find to be dull and nothing that happens in it that is relevant to the other movies, so you can skip it if you want. The Wrath of Khan (Star Trek 2) is a classic in its own right and starts a story arc that continues for the next two movies. Star Trek 6 is also good.

If you're going to watch just one Star Trek movie, make it Star Trek 4 (The Voyage Home), since you like Strange New Worlds and that's the movie that's most like that show.
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Hejiru posted...
Season 2 is pretty good, its really only the first season thats rough.

Even season one has some great episodes, and the bad ones are more awkward than anything. "Skin of Evil", "Code of Honor" and "Justice" are thee episodes that feel like TOS rejected scripts. Throw Captain Kirk in there and no one would hate them as much.
I appreciate all the helpful info.

I think as of now I may try to keep going with Discovery to at least make it to Season 2 with the Pike from SNW. I liked him and that crew. If I don't take to the show at that point I may jump over to the Original Series. Casually reading the Memory Alpha wiki it seems like Discovery or TOS is kind of where I want to be lore wise, but I think I will eventually check out everything. I think I'm still a little lost on how the original movies fit into TOS, if they do. Are there seasons I should sneak the movies in between or didn't it work like that?

Keep your opinions coming though.

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Unfortunately you started with NuTrek. Quality Star Trek of the 80s and 90s will either 1) feel boring and not appeal to you at all or 2) ruin NuTrek for you.
The TOS movies are all set after the end of the series. They actually don't even require that much knowledge of the original series. Only Star Trek 2 is a direct sequel to an episode of the series and even that gives you enough information in the movie that you can follow it just fine without seeing the episode.
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Discovery never really struck me as good. I prefer ensemble shows, especially in sci-fi, and Discovery is very much the Burnham show. I quit I think the season with the baby crying destroyed all the ships .

I hear it gets better, but I just can't.

DS9 is my favorite, followed by TNG, Lower Decks, Voyager/Prodigy, and Enterprise.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
I think I'm still a little lost on how the original movies fit into TOS, if they do. Are there seasons I should sneak the movies in between or didn't it work like that?

The movies chronologically take place like a couple of decades after TOS. Watching that series will help familiarize you with the characters but isn't necessary because the movies kind of stand on their own.

The TOS episode Space Seed will explain who Khan is if you want that info for Wrath of Khan, but even that isn't needed because even someone who's never seen Trek before could enjoy that movie.
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TNG is the best starting point for The Good Stuff. If you're already locked in on the series, start with Season 1.
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I wouldn't say out loud that Discovery and Picard are awful until their final seasons but...
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There is also The Animated Series which is basically another season of The Original Series, but as a cartoon. So if you watch TOS and enjoy it, I would recommend continuing with TAS.
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Babylon 5.

Babylon 5 is amazing. I own the whole series. It gets better on a rewatch.
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Watch from the beginning in release order
Akuryu posted...
Unfortunately you started with NuTrek. Quality Star Trek of the 80s and 90s will either 1) feel boring and not appeal to you at all or 2) ruin NuTrek for you.

I get what you're saying here. What other shows are part of the new era?
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Hospy posted...
Watch from the beginning in release order

TOS is better to watch in production order, with the possible exception of The Menagerie Part 1 and 2 which I think were filmed in reverse order because of actor scheduling.
mercurydude posted...
The TOS episode Space Seed will explain who Khan is if you want that info for Wrath of Khan, but even that isn't needed because even someone who's never seen Trek before could enjoy that movie.

Yeah I already knew who he was from the reboot movies, which I get is a diverging timeline. I'm curious to see the original story so the whole original Khan arc is something I will definitely be watching.
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my opinion is that DS9 is the best, but at least some TNG is needed for context before watching DS9. Voyager can be skipped. TOS is extremely dated.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
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rick_alverado posted...
TOS is better to watch in production order, with the possible exception of The Menagerie Part 1 and 2 which I think were filmed in reverse order because of actor scheduling.


Hospy posted...
Watch from the beginning in release order


Honestly, I think I'll end up watching them in whatever order they are presented on whatever streaming service I find them on.
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rick_alverado posted...
There is also The Animated Series which is basically another season of The Original Series, but as a cartoon. So if you watch TOS and enjoy it, I would recommend continuing with TAS.
I always forget about TAS. It's nothing amazing but it's not bad as a continuation of TOS.
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DS9 is the GOAT

TOS and TNG are both great.

Voyager is a slough to get through. Season 4 is great, but the quality of the rest of the show is all over the place. The last two seasons were dreadful and by the end, I was ready to be done with it.

As for the movies, the first six are good except for 5 which is total crap. 6 is easily the best with 2 behind it.

TOS laid the foundation, TNG expanded the world, and DS9 put all the pieces in places.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...


But what would you watch next?
Along with the suggestions already made, I would also recommend The Orville. It's not ST (although it's obviously based off of it) and it's more comedy oriented but it's a really fun series.
DaxNovalis posted...
Along with the suggestions already made, I would also recommend The Orville. It's not ST (although it's obviously based off of it) and it's more comedy oriented but it's a really fun series.

I had forgotten about that!
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Babylon 5.
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Kaldrenthebold posted...
DS9 or TNG are so damn good. DS9 is my favorite and I would recommend that.

This. Two of my favorite series of all time. As noted elsewhere in thread, the first two seasons of TNG are rough. But in the third season it jumps to amazing, and is the foundation for modern Trek. Both should absolutely be watched.

If you are looking for TNG with a few more jokes, I also highly recommend the Orville and Star Trek Lower Decks.

I adore Trek, but Discovery and Enterprise are the two I just cant watch. I tried both on multiple occasions for one season, and they both left me cold.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Honestly, I think I'll end up watching them in whatever order they are presented on whatever streaming service I find them on.
Eh, viewing order makes a bit of difference in this franchise

TOS should be first because its so much older than the rest of the shows, it might be jarring going from modern special effects to old school. Theres also a fair amount of callbacks in everything subsequent.

DS9 builds off of TNG, and Voyager builds off DS9 so if you dont watch those in order youll be missing some context for example.
TNG is great, but has some skippable episodes although some of the episodes people said to skip I ended up really enjoying. The TNG movie First Contact is the best Trek movie imo

Don't skip any DS9 honestly.

TOS was my first Trek and I watched all of those as well, the movies were ok.
Hospy posted...
Eh, viewing order makes a bit of difference in this franchise

TOS should be first because its so much older than the rest of the shows, it might be jarring going from modern special effects to old school. Theres also a fair amount of callbacks in everything subsequent.

DS9 builds off of TNG, and Voyager builds off DS9 so if you dont watch those in order youll be missing some context for example.

I might have misunderstood the original comment I replied too. I thought they were saying that it's one of those shows that didn't air in the right order and you have to look at the production episode order versus the order they showed them in or something.

If it's this whole series comes before/after that one, then I misunderstood and would obviously consider that.
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Starks posted...
I wouldn't say out loud that Discovery and Picard are awful until their final seasons but...
I tried Discovery and couldn't get into it. I very much enjoyed SNW and I really like Picard. But I am an odd person that likes Voyager best of all the series'. But I def do not hate TNG or TOS. I could never get into DS9. I tried, just not for me. I like most of the old movies and the newer ones. Star Trek: The motion picture was meh. As was 3 and 5. But 2, 4 and 6 were good. Especially 2 and 4.
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I recently rewatched TOS and I found a lot of it holds up surprisingly well. The special effects don't and some episodes are a bit too wacky but there's some really good ones in there.

Also it gets hated on but I thought Enterprise was great and Scott Bakula was perfect as Archer.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Also it gets hated on but I thought Enterprise was great and Scott Bakula was perfect as Archer.

It's great. Watching Discovery made me appreciate how good it was.
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Given you like the newer trek shows i dont think you'll get much enjoyment from watching the prior shows. The older shows are more about philosophy and morality. They arent about battles or action scenes. I'd look into other sci-fi series like The Expanse or Orville.

You can test out an episode of Voyager and see if you like that. I find Voyager is a pretty even mix of all aspects of older Trek, without being too much of any one.
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TNG Season 1 and 2 are bad but they are kinda worth sitting through so season 3-6 hit harder

Also 2 has a couple of GOAT episodes
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K181 posted...
my opinion is that DS9 is the best, but at least some TNG is needed for context before watching DS9.

DS9's going to hit different if it isn't framed against the idealism of TNG.

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
What other shows are part of the new era?

Discovery, Picard, Brave New World, Lower Decks, and Prodigy (I think it's called) are all newer shows.

mystic_belmont posted...
Dr. Bashir's actor is in it, and it's pretty fun.

Siddig was a great casting choice for Doran Martell, a character Weiss and Benioff completely wasted.
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