New report says Kamala Harris may have actually won the election

There doesn't need to be a grand conspiracy. Just unconnected bad actors causing fuckery in different states and precincts.

This has come up a couple times since the election, and just, there's absolutely no way we'd be hearing the election was stolen as some kind of deep-state movie plot, they'd just be bragging about it with no consequences.

There's zero chance Trump or Musk would still be quiet about this . Especially after Trump won and had basically gotten away with everything, Trump would be bragging to high heaven about how he stole the election to "save America" or whatever.

Elon Musk doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut either, and especially right now where he and Trump are in the middle of a stupid middle school spat he'd definitely tell everyone he stole the election for Trump because Musk is the biggest most special boy and he's the one that deserves all the admiration.

Trump's 2016 administration leaked like a sieve, and back then it was still loaded with people who were actually competent. None of the competent people are there anymore.

There's far too much evidence that the electorate really is that dumb.

Bad actors arent going to be able to independently steal an election without being in communication.

Also this. We dont think the man who publicly stated Trump is on the Epstein list would let anything slip about nation wide election theft?

Hell trumps admin is full of holes. Nobody has leaked anything about something like this though.

They did in 2016.

But its a major crime, its not like only Trump would get in trouble, hell Musk would get in more trouble than Trump would

The first thing Trump did in office was literally fire all the people whose job it is to look into that.
That raises so many red flags alone, yet democrats didnt seem to care or act like there was reason for it.

Hey can we maybe not talk like MAGA on the left, please? Thanks.

Unless youre not talking about Russia, what independent bad actors stole the 2016 election?

It doesnt make sense that Democrats didnt win pretty much anywhere.
I was at a Trump rally, not many were there.
i had tickets to a Harris rally, that had like 20x or more the people there

Are we really entertaining this?

This has come up a couple times since the election, and just, there's absolutely no way we'd be hearing the election was stolen as some kind of deep-state movie plot, they'd just be bragging about it with no consequences.

There's zero chance Trump or Musk would still be quiet about this . Especially after Trump won and had basically gotten away with everything, Trump would be bragging to high heaven about how he stole the election to "save America" or whatever.

Elon Musk doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut either, and especially right now where he and Trump are in the middle of a stupid middle school spat he'd definitely tell everyone he stole the election for Trump because Musk is the biggest most special boy and he's the one that deserves all the admiration.

Trump's 2016 administration leaked like a sieve, and back then it was still loaded with people who were actually competent. None of the competent people are there anymore.

Multiple Repubican-controlled state and local governments by implementing vote suppression measures. It was Florida in 2000 all over again, but on a much bigger scale in multiple states.

Though Russia probably also played a part.

I have been a regular on CE for like ten years dude. I've been less active the last 2 months because of a bunch of IRL stuff, lay off and address the points.

Topics like these need to be modded until there's actual factual evidence foul play was involved

It doesnt make sense that Democrats didnt win pretty much anywhere.

States implementing voter suppression methods is a completely different beast than straight up stealing an election.

I don't think anyone ever denied the flaws in the system, they denied any widespread voter fraud of consequence.

In fact nearly ever reported case of voter fraud was Republican

It was always "Fraud didn't impact the results " not "it never existed "

People need to stop giving cop outs to the dumb decisions of American voters. People who voted for him or gave whatever bullshit reason not to vote for kamala are to blame.

Y'all love conspiracy theories.

This remains an absurd conspiracy that's basically just a reversed version of Trump's 2020 claims. Like with that cycle, lawsuits were held and largely misrepresented or misinterpreted intentionally to make it appear as though local discrepancies were indicative of widespread fraud.

Youre talking about a guy whom lies hundreds of times a day, cheats at taxes, charities and fraud. Even when he lost there was people working under him to cheat and try to steal the last election. Then first day in office he literally fired all election officials and anyone who would investigate fraud, cheating and all that. You even have one of the smartest men running tech companies saying how easy it is to hack and alter votes and do illegals stuff like that.

Yet people get upset when we notion an idea of cheating.

It doesnt make sense that Democrats didnt win pretty much anywhere.
I was at a Trump rally, not many were there.
i had tickets to a Harris rally, that had like 20x or more the people there

• In Ramapo 35, a Rockland County, New York, voting precinct, President Donald Trump beat Democratic candidate Kamala Harris, 552 to 0. In the same precinct, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y. easily beat her opponent.
• Harris received zero votes in four of Rockland Countys 122 precincts and was trounced by Trump in several others.
• Experts said its not evidence of election hacking, as Ramapo has a large Orthodox and Hasidic Jewish population that often votes in blocs in support of their rabbis endorsed candidates.

It's because of this.

Years of trump and republicans saying there was fraud in 2016 and 2020, so democrats are too scared to say anything for fear of being branded conspiracy nuts

Do you think this DOJ and Supreme Court would do literally anything about it?