New report says Kamala Harris may have actually won the election

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In the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election, a private lab quietly performed sweeping changes to voting machines used in more than 40% of U.S. counties. No one told the public. No one reviewed the updates. No one verified the results. But the machines were altered and now, serious questions are being raised about whether those changes may have affected the outcome of the election. Some are even asking whether Kamala Harris was the one who actually won.

In the words of watchdog group SMART Elections: This wasnt just a glitch in some sleepy county. It was a stress test of our entire system.

Heres what happened:

In 2024, a federally accredited lab named Pro V&V conducted a wave of hardware and software changes to ES&S voting machines. These were major changesnew ballot scanners, printer adjustments, updated firmware, and a new Electionware reporting system. But they were passed off as de minimis tweaks, a label meant for minor changes that dont require full public review or testing.

However, as noted by Dissent in Bloom substack, the changes were anything but minor.

SMART Elections immediately flagged the move. But by then, it was too late. The machines had already been used in the election. And Pro V&V? The lab responsible for certifying them? It all but disappeared. Their once-public website became a hollow page. No logs. No documentation. Just a phone number and a generic email address.

This is the lab that signs off on voting systems in Pennsylvania, Florida, New Jersey, Californiaand countless other places. And when people started asking questions, they vanished.

In Rockland County, New York, voters noticed their ballots didnt seem to count. People swore under oath that they voted for Senate candidate Diane Sare. But in district after district, the machines didnt reflect it. In one case, nine voters said they picked her. Only five votes showed up. In another, five claimed to vote for heronly three were recorded.

It wasnt just third-party candidates. Kamala Harriss name was missing entirely from the top of the ballot in several heavily Democratic districts. In areas that overwhelmingly backed Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand for Senate, somehow, Harris got zero votes. Zero.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump received 750,000 more votes than Republican Senate candidates in those same districts. Thats not just voter preference. Thats a statistical impossibility.

As Dissent in Bloom reported: Thats not split-ticket voting. Thats a mathematical anomaly.

Pro V&Vs director is a man named Jack Cobb. Youve never heard of him. Hes never held office. Never testified before Congress. Yet every major voting machine must pass through his lab before it reaches a ballot box. He answers to no one but his clients.

And there is no real system to remove him.

Thanks to the Help America Vote Act, labs like Pro V&V are accredited by the Election Assistance Commission (EAC). But once a lab is approved, it stays in powerwith no system for the public to challenge it, no hotline, no audits, and no independent oversight.

In fact, two of the four EAC commissionersBenjamin Hovland and Donald Palmerwere appointed by Donald Trump during his first presidency.

Even if Pro V&V had committed fraud, the federal process to revoke accreditation is slow, vague, and entirely internal. No public hearings. No outside review. Just paper trails and bureaucratic stalling.

As of June 2025, Pro V&V remains accredited. Untouched. Uninvestigated. Untouchable.

Longtime pastor and political writer John Pavlovitz asked the question out loud: Kamala Harris May Have Won.

He wasnt the only one wondering. In the fall of 2024, Harris drew overflow crowds to nearly every campaign stop. Her rallies were electric. Her debate performance crushed Trump so badly he skipped the second. Meanwhile, Trump limped along, drawing half-full rooms, recycling grievances and conspiracies.

Democrats saw record turnout in early voting. Polls showed Harris leading or competitive in nearly every swing state. The path to 270 electoral votes was wide for her. Trumps? Almost impossible.

And yet, he won.

Pavlovitz pointed to a quote from Elon Musk that may say more than it seems: Without me, Trump would have lost the election.

Was it just arrogance? Or was it a veiled confession?

Back in June 2024, Musk tweeted: Anything can be hacked. He had the means. He had the motive. He had the tools. And he threw his weight behind Trump at the exact moment voting machines were being quietly alteredwith no oversight, no transparency, and no paper trail.

Moreover, Trump openly admitted that Musk had an advanced knowledge of the voting machines used in Pennsylvaniaa decisive swing state central to Trumps path to victory in November.

He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers, Trump told the crowd. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.

On May 22, 2025, Judge Rachel Tanguay ruled that the allegations in the SMART Elections lawsuit were serious enough to move forward. The caseSMART Legislation et al. v. Rockland County Board of Electionsgoes to hearing this fall.

It wont change the 2024 outcome. Congress already certified it. Power has shifted. But the lawsuit could set off something bigger: state probes, decertifications, even criminal investigations.

Because this isnt about glitches anymore. This is about a national election that may have been silently rewritten behind closed doorsby a private company, a vanishing lab, and a system with no accountability.

As Dissent in Bloom put it: If one underfunded watchdog group can dig up this much from a quiet New York suburb, what else is rotting in the shadows of this countrys ballots?

We may never get a full answer. But one thing is now certain: The voting machines were changed. No one was told. And Kamala Harris may have actually won.

Full Article: https://dailyboulder.com/report-voting-machines-were-altered-before-the-2024-election-did-kamala-harris-actually-win/

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I mean it's obvious that the election was rigged and stolen. Trump had been projecting about it for half a decade. Musk basically admitted it
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Yea this isn't surprising to me. It all makes sense. And it's not even the first election Republicans stole (2000 election)
This remains an absurd conspiracy that's basically just a reversed version of Trump's 2020 claims. Like with that cycle, lawsuits were held and largely misrepresented or misinterpreted intentionally to make it appear as though local discrepancies were indicative of widespread fraud. The "report" in question comes from a substack itself discussing a case that will go forward in the fall regarding a New York county.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump received 750,000 more votes than Republican Senate candidates in those same districts. Thats not just voter preference. Thats a statistical impossibility.

Anyone stating this has legitimately no knowledge or understanding of United States elections, for example, and seems to be missing how absurd the premise is at its face value. They can magically rig votes for Trump, but not downballot? This was the core argument everyone understood killed the 2020 election conspiracy arguments when Republicans did well downballot relative to expectations then. It's not any different now.

The good news is the dem base seems to largely see this for what it is and aren't rolling with it since the dem base isn't as susceptible to this. Like with 2004 conspiracies, it's mostly just a "how did we not win > we must have won" line, but at least in '04 Ohio was the sole decider. The argument here would be that Harris, who lost every major swing state - including in states with Democratic majorities/AGs - secretly won a bunch of states.
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Zikten posted...
Yea this isn't surprising to me. It all makes sense. And it's not even the first election Republicans stole (2000 election)

This was stolen by using a miniscule vote % count difference and litigating it through legal warfare and ended up in Bush's hands because of a conservative supreme court and Florida's Republican controlled legislature/Jeb. This isn't even elaborate, it was just general corruption. The assumption here is "magic and we can't explain it and it makes no sense but a lawsuit in a NY county means it was all stolen."

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hmm

I have been a regular on CE for like ten years dude. I've been less active the last 2 months because of a bunch of IRL stuff, lay off and address the points.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
They can magically rig votes for Trump, but not downballot?

Why would they need to rig votes for other positions? Once they get their guy in office they just do whatever they want. They have some semblance of plausible deniability ("Look, Democrats won OTHER positions on the ballot") and they don't really need to worry about future elections, not necessarily because the elections are going to be hacked or anything but just because the history of politics in this country is trying to do everything humanly fucking possible to prevent certain people (aka minorities) from voting.

I am not going to claim the election was rigged with 100% certainty, but it is worth investigating especially when you have people testifying they voted a specific way and that wasn't reflected in the results.
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Hexenherz posted...
Why would they need to rig votes for other positions? Once they get their guy in office they just do whatever they want. They have some semblance of plausible deniability ("Look, Democrats won OTHER positions on the ballot") and they don't really need to worry about future elections, not necessarily because the elections are going to be hacked or anything but just because the history of politics in this country is trying to do everything humanly fucking possible to prevent certain people (aka minorities) from voting.

There is constant infighting in house/senate races that forced Trump to straight-up withdraw people he wanted in certain positions like Stefanik because it put the congressional majority at risk. If you're going to rig Arizona for Trump or Nevada for Trump, why not push Lake and Brown over the line? It's not a matter of what appears to be blatant theft because Dems winning downballot despite the states voting for Trump was seen as a surprise. Nobody at all would've been surprised if Rs won in MI, NV, AZ, and WI senate races.

This might be more convincing ("why do it at all") when McCormick won in PA. By the logic of "why not do anything" why are they doing it in some swing states and not others? It just doesn't work as a concept and it can't be inferred from a lawsuit that hasn't even gone to court yet because a substack said so.



I am not going to claim the election was rigged with 100% certainty, but it is worth investigating especially when you have people testifying they voted a specific way and that wasn't reflected in the results.

People did the same thing in 2020 and everybody knew it was bullshit! The claims usually aren't falsifiable and there's no risk to lying for clout. Thousands of people on the MAGA side made careers on this exact thing. Rasmussen tried to claim the 2022 AZ governor election was stolen based on a vote recollection poll they did. It's very common and basic election denialism.
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I would say a key difference here that makes it *seem* more legitimate is that Donald was stoking the flames of insurrection months before the election, and stoking conspiracy theories about stolen elections for years before that. And as soon as the election was called he fucking started slamming the courts with law suits hoping anything would stick.

In this case, afaik, it's not the DNC doing any sort of investigation but independent parties reviewing data and observing discrepancies.
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So did the Republicans have a point about the system being insecure or not? Because yall swore up and down that it was impossible to fuck with to the extent that it could influence the election.
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Personally, I'm not buying that these clowns had the smarts to pull it off. But even if they did, it's far too late now, the damage is done.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
The assumption here is "magic and we can't explain it and it makes no sense but a lawsuit in a NY county means it was all stolen."

Sounds like topic title should be "British man reads tabloid article and therefore accepts it as 100% gospel."
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So the source for this is some guy's substack? On a "Daily" site no less?

Please become serious.
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Crono99 posted...
It was projection
Cop out answer. If they were projecting, it means they knew it was doable, which means anyone saying it wasn't feasible was full of shit.
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Topics like these need to be modded until there's actual factual evidence foul play was involved
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You can make a decent forensic case for Rockland county, but this type of tampering should not be possible for an ES&S tabulator under New York rules.

That being said, an auditor with physical access is always a failure point.
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Evening_Dragon posted...
So did the Republicans have a point about the system being insecure or not? Because yall swore up and down that it was impossible to fuck with to the extent that it could influence the election.

I don't think anyone ever denied the flaws in the system, they denied any widespread voter fraud of consequence.

In fact nearly ever reported case of voter fraud was Republican

It was always "Fraud didn't impact the results " not "it never existed "

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For this to happen in New York, there'd have to be a complete violation of the physical security of each machine. We have tamper-sealed USB diagnostic ports, network modems disabled or absent, and myriad ways to detect unauthorized firmware.

Somebody has to make it make sense.
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People want to believe it was stolen because that means you can still have faith in humanity. Its more palatable to believe that your fellow Americans were cheated than that they wanted Trump.

The truth is that Americans really are just that damn stupid.

Americans were not cheated. This is what a majority of voters wanted. Your friends and family, your neighbors, your coworkers they werent victims of a conspiracy. A large number of them voted for Trump and just dont want to admit it.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.
Hejiru posted...
Americans were not cheated. This is what a majority of voters wanted. Your friends and family, your neighbors, your coworkers they werent victims of a conspiracy. A large number of them voted for Trump and just dont want to admit it.
Plenty are happy to admit it
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Hypothetically, if the 2024 election was proved beyond reasonable doubt to be stolen, what would the next steps be after proving that? This is important.
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They rigged every swing state and the exit polls? Wow. Can't even do basic shit like not invite a journalist to your war plans Singal chat, but can pull off the most coordinate election rigging in history. That's impressive.

Conspiracy theorists continue to be embarrassing.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Plenty are happy to admit it

Yes, but if Trumps votes were limited to just those who do openly support him, then he would have lost. Theres plenty that did vote for Trump but just dont talk about it.
The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.
In the fall of 2024, Harris drew overflow crowds to nearly every campaign stop. Her rallies were electric. Her debate performance crushed Trump so badly he skipped the second. Meanwhile, Trump limped along, drawing half-full rooms, recycling grievances and conspiracies.

Democrats saw record turnout in early voting. Polls showed Harris leading or competitive in nearly every swing state. The path to 270 electoral votes was wide for her. Trumps? Almost impossible.

Crowds don't matter, Republicans barely ever early vote, and the polling was basically even with Trump having a history of overperforming his polls while the one ticket Harris was previously on underperformed its polls.

That said, I agree that it's seeming plausible that the election was rigged based on the evidence, but these additional arguments just aren't good.
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Zikten posted...
And it's not even the first election Republicans stole (2000 election)

And 2016, that was never in doubt either.

I'm still not convinced about 2024, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.

Starks posted...
For this to happen in New York, there'd have to be a complete violation of the physical security of each machine. We have tamper-sealed USB diagnostic ports, network modems disabled or absent, and myriad ways to detect unauthorized firmware.

Or you could just use a pencil and paper like we do in the UK - cheaper, simpler and harder to rig.

ToiletDuck64 posted...
Hypothetically, if the 2024 election was proved beyond reasonable doubt to be stolen, what would the next steps be after proving that?

Revolution. Nothing less would actually achieve anything.
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Whenever they say the polls showed Harris winning in swing states I am reminded of the final swing state poll by the highest rated pollster:
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Watch Musk in anger respond that this happened.
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I mean it's obvious that the election was rigged and stolen. Trump had been projecting about it for half a decade. Musk basically admitted it
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I heard the swing state date is nearly identical in every state which is like a 1 in a 1.2 trillion chance for happening. Also Trump flipped like 80 blue counties red, and Reagan only ever got 30 which was the record I believe.

Many ballots were said to only list Trump, and nothing else, or Trump then all blue for everything else.

This is just things i have heard, I have no idea how accurate they are so I apologize if they have been proven false by now.
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Ive been saying since the beginning that there is no way Trump actually won all the swing states.
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You have no idea how vindicating it is to see stuff like this. I've made a couple topics, with the first just days after the election, pointing out how suspicious the specific outcome was and the laundry list of 100% valid reasons to think something shady may have happened, and the consensus here seemed to be that republicans could not and would not ever do that because.

I think four years of listening to Trump screech "rigged" nonstop really broke this place. Now, folks refuse to entertain the notion that any election could ever be manipulated even when there's good reason to suspect otherwise, and that opened the way for republicans to commit any degree of fraud they want and completely get away with it. This isn't necessarily to say they *did*, but it's pretty obvious they *could* and have their own victims defend them on it.
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
Or you could just use a pencil and paper like we do in the UK - cheaper, simpler and harder to rig.
That's exactly what the machine does.

It uses pen and paper. It's an optical scan ballot tabulator.

And yes, it does have a paper trail. The ballots and whatever it prints out for election workers.
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Starks posted...
That's exactly what the machine does. It uses pen and paper. It's an optical scan ballot tabulator.

No. No scans, no software, no machines - just pencils, physical ballot papers and manual counting of them by human beings.
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At this point the republicans would need to convince me that they didnt cheat.
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At this point the republicans would need to convince me that they didnt cheat.
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I can buy there was tampering.

I dont buy that kamala won.
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Ever since "Stop the Steal" became a thing. Democrats have stated that there is zero legitimate claims that Trump won the election. Which I think We can all agree with. I think the Same thing exists here.... Unless someone puts forth a Legitimate claim, its all speculation.
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tremain07 posted...
Topics like these need to be modded until there's actual factual evidence foul play was involved

This. Idk why anyone on the left would stoop to Qanon levels of conspiracies.
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I can buy there was tampering.

I dont buy that kamala won.
Aye. I think a lot of people really are that stupid.
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I guess the difference is these conspiracies arent being pushed by the president but are more fringe so its far less dangerous to speculate. But it does seem a bit sweaty
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justaguy3492 posted...
This. Idk why anyone on the left would stoop to Qanon levels of conspiracies.
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^ Hey now that's completely unfair!
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