Please, you know one thing I've noticed? Liberals talk about purity tests the most yet are the ones who enact them constantly, I mean look at you. Those damn dirty progressives are not PURE enough of Democrats are they? They should never primary our PURE establishment people.So your response to me pointing out the many ways that we are hurting ourselves before even getting to a general election is ok boomer?
I'm sorry but your style of politics have gotten us into this mess, time to step the fuck aside for people who will actually fight.
So your response to me pointing out the many ways that we are hurting ourselves before even getting to a general election is ok boomer?How on earth is the OP about David Hogg seeking to primary some of the useless deadwood in the party "hurting ourselves"?
Compelling stuff.
So your response to me pointing out the many ways that we are hurting ourselves before even getting to a general election is ok boomer?
Compelling stuff.
How on earth is the OP about David Hogg seeking to primary some of the useless deadwood in the party "hurting ourselves"?By deadwood you mean sitting member of Congress. I would argue that we have more important enemies to worry about right now.
Sure, if he's ridiculously incompetent at target selection that would be a mistake, but there's no evidence of that so far.Again, if this is such a fantastic idea then why not simply replace the Democratic opponent with a Republican?
By deadwood you mean sotting member of Congress. I would argue that we have more important enemies to worry about right now.A lot of prominent Democrats dont agree with you.
By deadwood you mean sotting member of Congress. I would argue that we have more important enemies to worry about right now.Are you actually saying that Schumer, for example, is not deadwood that needs to be replaced?
My point is you have awful political instincts and nobody should actually listen to you.I called the presdential election fifteen minutes after Biden dropped.
Are you actually saying that Schumer, for example, is not deadwood that needs to be replaced?"we shouldn't waste money fighting democrats when we could instead waste that money on democrat incumbents who won't fight republicans"
If so, that's a fucking wow.
I called the presdential election fifteen minutes after Biden dropped.She ruined herself the moment she started hanging out with Liz Cheney and said she'd put Republicans in her cabinet after that nobody give a flying fuck what she had to say anymore, I think the clincher was how despite all that energy Walz had out of the debate that garbage ass debate he had with JD Vance really hurt him, normalizing that empty suit really harmed him
The phrase shell end up like Kerry and talk herself out of a job was used.
She ruined herself the moment she started hanging out with Liz Cheney and said she'd put Republicans in her cabinet after that nobody give a flying fuck what she had to say anymore, I think the clincher was how despite all that energy Walz had out of the debate that garbage ass debate he had with JD Vance really hurt him, normalizing that empty suit really harmed himGeneral election debates are a problem -- the only effect they appear to be capable of having in presidential or VP elections is hurting the D candidate.
"we shouldn't waste money fighting democrats when we could instead waste that money on democrat incumbents who won't fight republicans"No. I think you misunderstand whats happening here.
I called the presdential election fifteen minutes after Biden dropped.
The phrase shell end up like Kerry and talk herself out of a job was used.
No. I think you misunderstand whats happening here.So we skip the primaries, or...?
You guys are arguing to waste money having a primary and then a general election.
Im saying spend the money just fighting Republicans. At least until we get out of the modern day Revelations were in.
So we skip the primaries, or...?
So we skip the primaries, or...?You tell me exactly which candidates to not fund in the general election so we can do this?
So we skip the primaries, or...?That's the idea I think. Let the incumbent into the general and spend to keep the seat. Instead of spending for the primary and then spending more fighting to keep the seat.
You tell me exactly which candidates to not fund in the general election so we can do this?Pass, answer the question first.
General election debates are a problem -- the only effect they appear to be capable of having in presidential or VP elections is hurting the D candidate.That's what happens when your entire media industry is owned by one party even MSNBC the so called liberal network sane washed Trump to a fucking ridiculous degree while hammering Harris hard yet Trump despises the media and Republican commentators constantly tell us about the media's bias toward the left, a lie within a lie that confuses distorts and creates a scenario and world where a Democrat straight up can't win against a Republican in today's media
No. I think you misunderstand whats happening here.Oh my god.
You guys are arguing to waste money having a primary and then a general election.
Im saying spend the money just fighting Republicans. At least until we get out of the modern day Revelations were in.
What if the primary challenger is a better fundraiser and generates more money for the general election?Good question. If you have a way to guarantee that Im all in.
What if the primary challenger is a better fundraiser and generates more money for the general election?
No. I think you misunderstand whats happening here.How are we supposed to get out of our modern day Revelations if incumbent Dems just whistle and hold hands with Republicans?
You guys are arguing to waste money having a primary and then a general election.
Im saying spend the money just fighting Republicans. At least until we get out of the modern day Revelations were in.
Please, you know one thing I've noticed? Liberals talk about purity tests the most yet are the ones who enact them constantly, I mean look at you. Those damn dirty progressives are not PURE enough of Democrats are they? They should never primary our PURE establishment people.
I'm sorry but your style of politics have gotten us into this mess, time to step the fuck aside for people who will actually fight.
So not satisfied just to fight for the few seats up for grabs in 2026, you all think lets go fuck around with the ones we already hold.I don't think you and I will ever see eye to eye on this, but I'm still stuck on the idea that Hogg and progressives have absolutely nothing left to lose. Dems already don't control the senate, they already don't control the house, and incumbents are already attacking their own and they're already voting for the Republican agenda. Sure it's a risk to spend any of that $20 million on primary challenges against incumbents just to have nothing left for the general election, but what's there left to lose anyways? It couldn't possibly get any worse for Democrats since they have absolutely nothing left to lose. They might as well put in the effort to get rid of the anchors dragging the party down. You're essentially warning that if Hogg does this, then the worst case scenario will be what's already the status quo. So why not fight useless incumbents?
Literally all you need to do to make this a good plan is replace Democratic incumbent in a safe district with Republican incumbent in a safe district.
On one hand. I get it, this infighting could probably help Republicans by stoking the flames inviting grudges among the groups so they hate each other so much that no matter who wins the grudges will be so deep the bases of those people will abstain from voting or spite vote for the Republican opponent, we saw that every single time from Clinton to Biden to Harris spite votes are real, let's not pretend they aren't.
The difference between establishment Democrats who want to work with Republicans and actual Republicans is damn near microscopic.The strategy to "let Republicans hang themselves" has a huge flaw. Yes the people are hating Republicans but they want someone who will stand up to them. Which the dem establishment isn't doing.
"Let's play dead! That'll show Trump"
"Guys I know it's bad a legal citizen was abducted but he's not politically important enough to focus on..."
Like I'm one of the first to call out "Same thing both sides", but like the golden means fallacy of thinking the correct answer is always in the middle, sometimes in certain context that statement can be true.
Maga are Nazis
Establishment Dems want to step aside and let them do as they please.
The former can't be reasoned with, and the latter feels safe trying to reason with the former.
It's time to cut the diseased arm off, before it fucking kills us.
How deep in the bogs do you have to be to be against primaries?