compared to the worst ones it's not that bad but not good ether they are still just as bad as any gacha company's and it took them years for them to finally put in a pity system which sucks but at least we don't read about some one spending over a thousands game currency to roll for a character and didn't get them now day'sOh, I see. Most of what I know is from Arknights, Nikke and Reverse 1999 since they're the ones I play.
Oh, I see. Most of what I know is from Arknights, Nikke and Reverse 1999 since they're the ones I play.those have better pity system compared to FGO so bare in mind that they still somewhat suck
An adult wishing to mack on children is pedo crap.
come on it can't be that ba......''remembers his spending spree and times he dipped too much into it with FGO'' ok i can see that happening so i am glad i only spend on guaranteed banners which happens twice a year so i am safe in a way unless ''looks at summer lineup'' this is going to be me isn't itEven it being around forever is wrong. They can just shut down and take everyone's money and run.
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This character is an adult man who was turned into a middle school girl, so I'm not sure he counts as a lesbian.Fucking Japan
Anyway, I don't think banning gacha would be any more sensible than banning alcohol or whatever. It's just another form of escapism, you're not addressing the actual issues that are driving people to these sorts of unhealthy behaviors. I also find it a bit odd that American sports games so rarely come up in these discussions given that they're essentially full priced gacha games that reset your "characters" every year.
Every day I thank God I wasn't born a gacha game playerJust play without spending and its fine. Like I said, some of them are completely doable without spending a dime.
At least from my perspective, gambling has tangible value. If I play the lottery or poker or sports pools or whatever, I can win real money.It's a bad proposition for the customer, absolutely. You're gambling for entertainment instead of winning money, and there's no (within TOS) method to make anything back on your "investment". Even with physical gachapon or similar things like TCGs, you can recoup some of your cost by selling or trading the physical objects you got.
You cannot win anything in a gacha game except privileges to do things with the software that you've already downloaded. It's a form of gambling where the house literally always wins. People joke that the house always wins but the reality is they only win about 50.2% of the time.
Over millions of games, this always averages to profit for the casino, but on an individual per game basis the house does lose. That's not a thing for gacha. They are just robbing you.
I really don't see a problem with the games existing as is, if they would just add an al-a-carte store instead of loot box shit. It's not wrong to demand that I know what I'm buying and how much it costs ahead of time.They'll never do that. In order to actually come anywhere near the profit margins when people have to start dipping into money for their waifus, they'd have to make the characters at least $20 each. And that price point would scare off newcomers.
Banning Gacha is a lot more sensible than banning alcohol. Alcohol is fine in moderation and not very expensive. 19% of the young adult population is a pretty big number. That's a lot people depending on their parents to bail them out because of a stupid addiction.Why not say the same about gachas? Its fine in moderation and not very expensive. Also, no amount of alcohol is safe. There is absolutely no harm in playing a gacha without spending anything.
Why not say the same about gachas? Its fine in moderation and not very expensive. Also, no amount of alcohol is safe. There is absolutely no harm in playing a gacha without spending anything.The difference is I've never heard of 19% of 20 somethings going broke from alcohol. Gacha games are obviously better at separating people from their money. But if you can play gacha without overspending then it is fine for you I guess.
The difference is that theres no direct threat to others if youre addicted to gachas. You harm yourself of course, but you arent causing danger to others by becoming belligerent or hampering your actions behind the wheel.
The difference is I've never heard of 19% of 20 somethings going broke from alcohol. Gacha games are obviously better at separating people from their money. But if you can play gacha without overspending then it is fine for you I guess.I mean they surveyed just 1,000 people. And like I said, the impact on lives is whats so huge. Alcohol causes physical harm to people who consume it and those around them.
Still, if digital gacha was something that was treated and regulated as gambling, as someone else said, it would do a lot to help curb the problem and its impact to the games industry.
League of Legends had an skin that was ridiculously expensive (430$) and people went in droves to buy it. The idea of players going into debt for pixels is nothing new.Expected Ahri, got Ahri
I would probably blame the parasocial relationship of the games making you hunt for waifus than actual lootboxes.
Oh, and FOMO garbage that Gacha also loves to do. Nothing pisses me more than a game where create artificial scarcity on a digitalized content.
Just play without spending and its fine. Like I said, some of them are completely doable without spending a dime.This is why I like the AfkArena/Journeys games. Gems and pulls are extremely generous and you can get pretty far into the end game without spending a dime. You just gotta be comfortable with the fact that you'll never measure up to a whale in anything, but with some consistency that doesn't matter too much.
And people will laugh at me at this, but some gacha games have better story/plot than people give it credit for.
This is why I like the AfkArena/Journeys games. Gems and pulls are extremely generous and you can get pretty far into the end game without spending a dime. You just gotta be comfortable with the fact that you'll never measure up to a whale in anything, but with some consistency that doesn't matter too much.And a lot of the whale content is mostly bragging rights. If you want to just go for plot, afaik you don't need much.
Expected Ahri, got AhriExalted skins aren't that far behind, which makes me sad because they are waay more expensive than the ultimate skins and the skins quality are dropping rapidly across the board.
Simply declaring it to be gambling doesn't actually fix things. Sure minors will no longer be allowed to play them but most of the people spending crazy money are adults.It would do a few things. Minors can't legally play, the games get rated AO which delists them from a lot of places (and also can't be streamed on most popular sites), and it also means that the companies will make less money because gambling is taxed differently. Individually any single one of those isn't too bad, but combined they hurt a lot more. It also lessens the overall appeal for non-gacha companies to attach themselves to AO gacha games.
I'd simply reiterate my position: have the game with an al a carte shop menu. Just let people buy what they want directly.
It would do a few things. Minors can't legally play, the games get rated AO which delists them from a lot of places (and also can't be streamed on most popular sites), and it also means that the companies will make less money because gambling is taxed differently. Individually any single one of those isn't too bad, but combined they hurt a lot more. It also lessens the overall appeal for non-gacha companies to attach themselves to AO gacha games.Belgium has harder gambling laws than most other places though. In America we literally have online sports betting commercials sponsoring sports broadcasting.
As for the a la carte thing, I already said they'd never do that because they'd lose so much money on that option existing.
Edit: I mean, look what happened when Belgium stepped up and declared it as gambling. Rather than comply with the regulations around it, they just said they won't run the game in Belgium.
The appeal lies in the game, not the gambling aspect.Nah, these games are a slot machine first with a game built around it
The appeal lies in the game, not the gambling aspect. The better the game and the more popular it is the greater the in game content becomes.
I am actually curious about that FF7 ever crisis story with the young sephy, angeal and whatnot, but I never read how far a free to play player can get in that without spending the monies.
That and I'm not even sure my samsung galaxy S9+ can run it anymore. I know it could without much of a problem when it first came out but yall know how updates can be sometimes.
The appeal lies in the game, not the gambling aspect
everyone just turns auto battle on and ignores the game
the appeal is literally the fact that it is gambling, with gambling being very addictive to a large swath of people.
these are designed to be addictiveAny Good game by design is addictive by default, and if they had nothing to offer besides RNG then nobody would bother playing them long term. Nor would they see in any value in its content either.
just becuase it dont effect YOU dont mean others are not effected
Any Good game by design is addictive by default, and if they had nothing to offer besides RNG then nobody would bother playing them long term. Nor would they see in any value in its content either.
And again, theyre grown adults. Stop trying to baby and tell what they can and cant do either their money. Even then to me the more money their wasting on gachas the less they have to waste on cigarettes, alcohol, or hard drugs.
and this is why people struggle to find help for gambling addictionsThere is literally no limit to your logic here and that pretty much anything you deem harmful and addictive is subject to ban pretty much.
or other such things
people always victim blame
rather than blame the sleazy company that exploits a recognized medical condition
they blame the person being exploited
Addiction, especially gambling addiction, only occurs in modern society and isn't a universal problem for all societies throughout history. /s
Humanity always held hands with vices. Why did we crave alcohol for thousands of years?
Not really seeing how that's supposed to debunk my point TBH. Nothing I posted said that drowning oneself in a vice to dull the pain of living was some sort of new modern-world phenomena located entirely within Japan.I agree mostly with this part:
Also a lot of people nowadays have trash tier money management skills because, lets be honest, millennials and zoomers were pampered and spoiled in general and thus were never actually taught the value of money and not blowing it on stupid discretionary shit every chance they get. That's a second issue that bleeds into this.
The bad thing about gacha games is there are no regulations, unlike casino which only those 18+ can play them.
There are actually some regulations in Japan. You have to post the odds for example, and the odds must be correct.
Makes me wonder how they do it. Do the government has access to the source code to see the chances are legit?Have you ever seen these published odds? If you were gonna lie about it, you'd post like a hundred times what they do. Seriously.
Well I mean have you even seen those ZZZ characters? I completely understand.and yet the best girl is Belle
There are actually some regulations in Japan. You have to post the odds for example, and the odds must be correct.
Makes me wonder how they do it. Do the government has access to the source code to see the chances are legit?