how does the usa recover its reputation if trump leaves in 2028?

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US citizens, even after seeing how disastrous Trump's first Presidency was, voted him back into the Presidency a 2nd time.

You don't recover from that level of idiocy. That will always be what the world will expect from Americans and how could you ever trust them going forward.
Sandalorn posted...
US citizens, even after seeing how disastrous Trump's first Presidency was, voted him back into the Presidency a 2nd time.

You don't recover from that level of idiocy. That will always be what the world will expect from Americans and how could you ever trust them going forward.
I trusted Germany under Angela Merkel despite their having some questionable leaders in the past.

I realize were still in the middle of this crisis but lets not lose sight of the fact that this is precisely because people dont have long memories.

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Trump is just the representative of American culture (approximately half of it anyway). The culture isn't going to change anytime soon, so there's no reason not to expect someone as bad or worse being elected in the future (assuming fair and free elections).
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Prismsblade posted...
On top of which the government has been suppressing that aspect of our history harder than pretty much anything.
That's weird, nobody else in this topic has had trouble keeping up with the USA's clearly stated foreign policy that has been in place for literally generations.

Would you like to know why?

They paid attention
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Prismsblade posted...
On top of which the government has been suppressing that aspect of our history harder than pretty much anything. So its not odd for people to have not noticed.
"Suppressing" here is totally fucking bonkers.

Since when has unconditional US support of Israel been any kind of secret? That's the one constant of US foreign policy ever since the founding of Israel.

As just one example (of literally hundreds), we have decades of US vetos at the UN security council being single-handedly responsible for no real international action on I/P.
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EPR-radar posted...
"Suppressing" here is totally fucking bonkers.

Since when has unconditional US support of Israel been any kind of secret? That's the one constant of US foreign policy ever since the founding of Israel.

As just one example (of literally hundreds), we have decades of US vetos at the UN security council being single-handedly responsible for no real international action on I/P.
Shit, Israel (arguably deliberately) attacked a US ship during the Six-Day War with aircraft and torpedo boats, and the most we ever got out of them was a weak apology.
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Coming from outside the US, I don't see how the US can recover its reputation. Atleast for a generation.

Last time you had atleast a decent rep was maybe under Obama. First Trump term really sank it though and things hardly recovered under Biden (if at all). Now with Trump 2.0....yeah you're a lost cause.

Sentiment now is very much turning towards - "how can we detach and disassociate ourselves with the US". Even if you elect a Dem in 2028, the question on everyone's mind will be - "how long until they elect another Trump who's going to shit on everything again?"

The US is no longer seen as a reliable and trustworthy partner.
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As an Aussie: nothing that will realistically happen will rescue the US's reputation.

The economic instability is bad enough but Trump is actively selling out nations the US has a defence agreement with to the worlds greatest threats.

You can never recover from that.

But then there's the threats to allies about invasion. Every single one of us watching are doing so in horror because we know that America has a vast portion of the population that will revel in going into Canada and Mexico and doing to them what Russia is doing to Ukraine. The destruction, the mass killing torture and rape, all of it. They will do it with the utmost joy and revelry.

How distrusted America will be when Donald is done I cannot say because nobody can say how far he's going to go, but one thing I am certain about is the American "empire" is over and will never be forgiven nor allowed ever again.
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How could Germany have recovered its international reputation in the mid 1930s?
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It doesnt.

The world is watching and will remember.

How could any other country even trust a Democrat regime, after how utterly milquetoast and ineffectual theyve proven to be in opposition over the last two months?
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If we survive the next 4 years, it'll take around a generation (15 years) of consistently great governance. While not as bad, the UK had Brexit and other countries still had their (very) down moments.

It's not going to ever recover to the heights of its power, but I still think it's possible for the US to be seen in a good light after 10-15 years or so. US global hegemony is over, though.
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We can get most it back with a non Republican. Will take years to fully get the trust back, assuming they are reasonable.
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It likely never recovers from this. The whole world just saw the US elect the biggest waste of oxygen on the planet as president for a 2nd time. Not when the corruption in the Republican Party runs so deep that it will never be cleansed unless the party ceases to exist. If youre another country, especially a former ally of the US, how could you ever trust the American population to not elect another money hungry facist as president again after seeing the most unqualified politician ever win the presidency twice? Even if you had a Dem or 3rd party candidate win and do everything in their power to undo all the damage that Trump has + will continue to do, youre always going to be concerned about Americans stupidly electing another Trump who undoes all of recovery efforts that were made.

The only way their reputation recovers is if the GOP ceases to exist, Democrats see a renovation so that they dont just slowly turn into another Republican Party, multiple other parties rise up that have real chances of winning, and America doesnt elect another facist/corporate puppet for a very long time. And the chances of any of those happening are extremely low.
Arcanine2009 posted...
We can get most it back with a non Republican. Will take years to fully get the trust back, assuming they are reasonable.
That's very optimistic because the US being a tire fire internationally is because of the Republican menace, not just Trump, and nobody thinks the Republican menace is going to be dealt with.
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Deej posted...
Even if, by some miracle, legitimate elections exist moving forward, Democrats aren't going to be able to fix things fast enough for morons to not decide to give Republicans another chance to fuck up everything even harder
Remind me why we let idiots get an equal say in politics?
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EPR-radar posted...
How could Germany have recovered its international reputation in the mid 1930s?

By utterly losing a war and being occupied and split into two countries for decades?
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By utterly losing a war and being occupied and split into two countries for decades?
At this point, so be it.
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By utterly losing a war and being occupied and split into two countries for decades?

At this point I feel that most of the Blue states would rather be occupied by Europe, Mexico, and Canada then be ruled by the Southern states...lets be real at this point states like Alabama and Texas are more hated then just about any other country...they might be the most hated culture in the world at this point and the only way for America to redeem itself is to make Southern Culture never have power ever again, anything like a Cowboy or anything Texan already seems as revived as Nazi's at this point to much of the world, because in the end even Hitler outright said that he was inspired by the American South, the Birth of the Nation film and all that. And that just about all of the past century's fascist movements was inspired by the Southern states culture.
The USA cannot recover from this until there's major reforms to government that massively reduces the power of the executive branch and also reforms to the judicial branch to enforce ethics.

Basically its going to take a number of amendments to the constitution, good luck.

It's just, as long as one person can blow up any treaty the country has? It's impossible for other countries to rely on any deals made with the States.
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I dont think any of the traditional allies of the U.S are ever going to be as comfortable with them ever again, at least not until there are some hard guardrails implemented to prevent anything like the BS we are seeing from trump from happening again because otherwise we are always going to have the thought in the back of our head what happens when the U.S elects another complete total idiotic conman)
The USA cannot recover from this until there's major reforms to government that massively reduces the power of the executive branch and also reforms to the judicial branch to enforce ethics.

Basically its going to take a number of amendments to the constitution, good luck.

A deeper problem is that the President's not even suppose to have the power he has now, its because both Congress and the Supreme Court have failed there jobs because they choose greed over duty and shows that it really did not matter WHAT the law said, its that the culture created a population that only cared about there own greed at the expense of everything else and few laws can really stop someone who only cares about greed.

At this point it would require toppling many billionaires like Musk and purging the Government of everyone corrupt before there's a chance of true reform.
EPR-radar posted...
How could Germany have recovered its international reputation in the mid 1930s?
So you're saying the only way forward is for Canada, Mexico, the EU and China to split the US between them?

dang, someone got to it before me.

Anyway, I've been living in East Germany for over a year now and its become obvious to me that some scars don't heal. I wouldn't wish that on the US
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Anyway, I've been living in East Germany for over a year now and its become obvious to me that some scars don't heal. I wouldn't wish that on the US

What do you mean? About the Holocaust or losing WW2?
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And the only thing that will accomplish anything in terms of repairing the country or fighting against Trump is pure populist rage. Democrats will not save you, Americans chose to neuter them. At this point I have very little faith in Americans rediscovering populism.
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Necronmon posted...
What do you mean? About the Holocaust or losing WW2?
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And the only thing that will accomplish anything in terms of repairing the country or fighting against Trump is pure populist rage. Democrats will not save you, Americans chose to neuter them. At this point I have very little faith in Americans rediscovering populism.

Pure populist rage, or at least a sham of it is how we got Trump in the first place it seems.
Speaking as a non-American, I honestly don't see how it does. Even if Trump leaves, the ~75 million people who voted for him are sticking around and there's no guarantee they won't find another Trump and put him in office eight or twelve or sixteen years from now.

The damage Trump is doing is going to be long-lasting, and it deserves to be. Unless and until there is an enormous paradigm shift in American thinking and a sustained period of good governance, America's reputation will remain in the shitter where it belongs.
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unless root this shit out idk how any country can trust us for a very very long time. even if trumps is gone in 2020, who's to say we don't elect another trump?

we'd have to purge america of this shit.
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Necronmon posted...
Pure populist rage, or at least a sham of it is how we got Trump in the first place it seems.

Oligarchs manipulating voters with controlled media and hostile foreign powers is not populism. Populism is how we ended the gilded age, ended the great depression and dominated the world after WW2.
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The blue are the neo-Nazis

In the end many nations hold on to there grudges for centuries if not longer, look at the middle east or Russia...America is on the verge of being just another broken nation that just acts on rage and hate.

Unless and until there is an enormous paradigm shift in American thinking and a sustained period of good governance, America's reputation will remain in the s***ter where it belongs

China's not really loved but everyone goes along with them anyway because they are to big, Trump seems to want to make America like China and make it so that everyone might hate them but they fear them and have to obey anyway...ugh.
Necronmon posted...
What do you mean? About the Holocaust or losing WW2?
The split between East and West Germany, and how it still continues to affect things to this day, despite reunification being over 30 years ago

UnholyMudcrab posted...
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The blue are the neo-Nazis.
That's part of it, sure, but even aside from that there are still issues, and immense disparity between east and west
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Necronmon posted...
A deeper problem is that the President's not even suppose to have the power he has now, its because both Congress and the Supreme Court have failed there jobs because they choose greed over duty and shows that it really did not matter WHAT the law said, its that the culture created a population that only cared about there own greed at the expense of everything else and few laws can really stop someone who only cares about greed.

At this point it would require toppling many billionaires like Musk and purging the Government of everyone corrupt before there's a chance of true reform.

Oh absolutely agreed, after all there's zero chance at doing the reforms I mentioned in the current system, it's too corrupt.
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the US has an entire political party more than happy to throw nearly every American ally under the bus to save *checks notes* Russia in the middle of them committing war crimes

this, in particular, is going to be hard to forget.
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It would be like taking back a cheating spouse.

Sure, you can rebuild your relationship, enjoy some good times together. Maybe even learn to forgive.

But you will never be able to trust them entirely not to do something stupid and hurtful. So things will never be quite the same again.
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the US has an entire political party more than happy to throw nearly every American ally under the bus to save *checks notes* Russia in the middle of them committing war crimes

this, in particular, is going to be hard to forget.

And those that are still American are never going to forgive the Neo Confederate traitors either...again, its hard to not see how this does not end in Civil War when the two sides hate each other more then anyone else.
teep_ posted...
That's part of it, sure, but even aside from that there are still issues, and immense disparity between east and west
I guess what I was getting at was that the general mismanagement of the GDR and the bungling of the reunification process is part of what led the AfD to become so big in former East German territories in the first place.
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It can't, not fully. The USA made itself indispensable to most of the globe and, while some nations were already in this process, Trump and those around him have accelerated other nations efforts to lessen their dependency on it. Maybe it's for the best the USA has a little less influence over foreign nations, and it's not like military might is in question, but the days of 'USA #1' have never been more numbered. It's not a coincidence then that the nations who benefit most from a weaker USA have so many ties to high ranking government officials, Trump included.

Republicans voters actively cheer the USA throwing away decades worth of calculated leverage and cultivated influence because cons taking orders from malicious actors have convinced them that strategic negotiations and positioning were a "waste of money" and that the country was "being taken advantage of" when it was the exact opposite.
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It doesn't, because as awful as Trump is, he's only a symptom of a much greater issue: America cannot be trusted long term. Let's say that hypothetically an AOC or Walz gets in in 2028, reverses the damage that Trump has done and makes genuine amends. There's nothing to stop the American people from just voting in another Trump in 2032 and ripping up everything again.

Except, this isn't a hypothetical, this just happened. The American people saw Trump and the chaos he brought vs the stability of Biden and decided they wanted more chaos. Short of some fundamental changes to the American government, you will not be trusted for at least a generation. I do not trust that those changes would be made even in the best case scenario.
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Necronmon posted...
The only path to redemption is to shatter the rural fools and billionaire traitors control over the country..they proved they don't deserve any respect, only contempt from the entire world.

Once they are isolated only then can America rebound.


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I don't see how you actually can.

You have proven you are less than unreliable and an actual danger to peace and stability around the world. And that you will gleefully partake in Nazi like ideology at the drop of a hat. America simply cannot be trusted. It isn't Trump, or republicans who can't be trusted, but America as a whole.

America has damaged themselves as well. They will forever lose the hold they had over the world and will likely be replaced with a much more malicious (not that America had others interest in mind anyway) entity in China replacing them.

I don't see it happening in our life times unfortunately.
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DrizztLink posted...
That's weird, nobody else in this topic has had trouble keeping up with the USA's clearly stated foreign policy that has been in place for literally generations.

Would you like to know why?

They paid attention
It certainly would be if I was referring to those people over the average people that only consumes western media.
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
Remind me why we let idiots get an equal say in politics?
Because democracy is good, but education is bad
Can't hold voters accountable for knowing what they're voting for (or not voting for), because reasons
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The reputation of war crimes and destabilization? Trump is continuing that so it shouldn't be hard.
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darkknight109 posted...
Speaking as a non-American, I honestly don't see how it does. Even if Trump leaves, the ~75 million people who voted for him are sticking around and there's no guarantee they won't find another Trump and put him in office eight or twelve or sixteen years from now.

The damage Trump is doing is going to be long-lasting, and it deserves to be. Unless and until there is an enormous paradigm shift in American thinking and a sustained period of good governance, America's reputation will remain in the shitter where it belongs.
This.

I've made a topic about how Trump is just a symptom of a deeper issue before. George Carlin said it best:

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