The pace of global heating has been significantly underestimated, according to renowned climate scientist Prof James Hansen, who said the international 2C target is dead.
A new analysis by Hansen and colleagues concludes that both the impact of recent cuts in sun-blocking shipping pollution, which has raised temperatures, and the sensitivity of the climate to increasing fossil fuels emissions are greater than thought.
How many decades do we have left, realistically?How many eggs can you buy?
How many decades do we have left, realistically?According to a post somebody else made, we've got about 20 years.
How many decades do we have left, realistically?
Don't care anymore. It's pretty clear no one will do anything to stop this. Everyone is saying Idiocracy is a documentary meanwhile I'm saying Mad Max is a documentary.
i fully expect Musk and other technocrats to soon start building completely closed off, self-contained, and renewably powered bunker facilities ostensibly to do research into building livable habitats on the moon and Mars, but really it's because they know they are accelerating climate change and dooming the vast majority of human life on the planet to extinction, and they will build these shelters to weather the storm and emerge after civilization has collapsed to take global power over a more manageably sized population. with automation and literally all the world's wealth consolidated into their hands, they won't need billions of people to keep things rolling.This is ultimately the plan. It's why the lower classes are increasingly being treated as entirely disposable; the less of us there are, the more available resources for them to carry out their vanity projects. When you stop supporting everyone but those near the top, suddenly "efficiency" can skyrocket.
i fully expect Musk and other technocrats to soon start building completely closed off, self-contained, and renewably powered bunker facilities ostensibly to do research into building livable habitats on the moon and Mars, but really it's because they know they are accelerating climate change and dooming the vast majority of human life on the planet to extinction, and they will build these shelters to weather the storm and emerge after civilization has collapsed to take global power over a more manageably sized population. with automation and literally all the world's wealth consolidated into their hands, they won't need billions of people to keep things rolling.It's ironic because for decades, conservative conspiracy theorists believed that liberals were planning to wipe out most of humanity. But it turns out it's the conservatives who do it
It's ironic because for decades, conservative conspiracy theorists believed that liberals were planning to wipe out most of humanity. But it turns out it's the conservatives who do it
At this point our best hope is billionaires eventually realizing they can't make money off dead people.
At this point our best hope is billionaires eventually realizing they can't make money off dead people.The best hope is them realizing that they're going to still be alive when it all comes crashing down and they'll have nowhere to hide.
According to a post somebody else made, we've got about 20 years.
Somebody made a post on gamefaqs and now you're convinced the world is over in 20 years?No, somebody quoted scientists and researchers who have been studying this for decades. Also, the world and humanity won't suddenly just end. It'll be a series of increasingly bad things that we'll be less and less likely to reverse.
No, somebody quoted scientists and researchers who have been studying this for decades. Also, the world and humanity won't suddenly just end. It'll be a series of increasingly bad things that we'll be less and less likely to reverse.
Climate scientist Dr Zeke Hausfather, who was not part of the study, said it was a useful contribution. Its important to emphasise that both of these issues [pollution cuts] and climate sensitivity are areas of deep scientific uncertainty, he said.
While Hansen et al are on the high end of available estimates, we cannot say with any confidence that they are wrong, rather that they just represent something closer to a worst-case outcome.
Both approaches are useful and often complementary, said Dr Gavin Schmidt, director of Nasas Goddard Institute for Space Studies. But I think in this case, Hansens approach is too simple and doesnt factor in changes in Chinese emissions, or internal variability.
Somebody made a post on gamefaqs and now you're convinced the world is over in 20 years?
I have a few problems with this1) Its not a bold and fantastic claim because climate scientists have been saying this is the trajectory for decades and weve done nothing to limit or prevent it. Broader issues are still issues, and importantly, bigger issues than narrow issues.
1. stating that we have 20 years left before society starts collapsing as if a statement of simple fact is a bold and fantastic claim to make, especially without a source. Just a reference to a post he read some time. And it may well be true, but my issue is passing it off as fact as if to say, "trust me bro". Most climate scientist estimations are not even that harsh, and societal collapse is a broader issue anyway.
2. That leads me onto my next point. The article quoted in this topic isn't saying that science confirms that 2C is dead. It's saying that one scientist and team think so.
3.In fact if you read the rest of the article, Hansen's view is not the consensus, just another view that is considered on the high end of estimates.
To be clear, I don't wish to cast doubt on climate science. My point is that you need to be accurate with what you say, otherwise it just opens up space for people to call it lies. And it would be a lie to frame this as consensus when it is clearly not. And even in the context of this article - which is not climate science, but a journalistic piece by the guardian - the actual truth and the regular estimates are easily bad enough and worth calling a critical global emergency enough as it is.
1) Its not a bold and fantastic claim because climate scientists have been saying this is the trajectory for decades and weve done nothing to limit or prevent it. Broader issues are still issues, and importantly, bigger issues than narrow issues.Furthermore, we are now in a "drill baby drill" phase and what we did do to protect the climate is actively being scrapped. Things can only accelerate.
2) and when we do nothing to limit or prevent climate damage still, next it will be another team and then another and then even more teams saying it
3) you say high end of estimates but weve consistently blown climate scientists estimates out and exceeded them, so realistically this estimate will be met
They will jump on the "ditch the peasants and get to Mars" train and get themselves killed in space.Christ I hope they're stupid enough to resort to being bubble people on Mars, I can imagine few existences more bleak.
They will jump on the "ditch the peasants and get to Mars" train and get themselves killed in space.Mars is cold as hell. And its airless we are centuries from even settling it.
i fully expect Musk and other technocrats to soon start building completely closed off, self-contained, and renewably powered bunker facilities ostensibly to do research into building livable habitats on the moon and Mars, but really it's because they know they are accelerating climate change and dooming the vast majority of human life on the planet to extinction, and they will build these shelters to weather the storm and emerge after civilization has collapsed to take global power over a more manageably sized population. with automation and literally all the world's wealth consolidated into their hands, they won't need billions of people to keep things rolling.just gonna leave this here....
just gonna leave this here....
https://www.vice.com/en/article/billionaires-are-building-luxury-bunkers-to-escape-doomsday/
i fully expect Musk and other technocrats to soon start building completely closed off, self-contained, and renewably powered bunker facilities ostensibly to do research into building livable habitats on the moon and Mars, but really it's because they know they are accelerating climate change and dooming the vast majority of human life on the planet to extinction, and they will build these shelters to weather the storm and emerge after civilization has collapsed to take global power over a more manageably sized population. with automation and literally all the world's wealth consolidated into their hands, they won't need billions of people to keep things rolling.They've already done this lol
Yeah there's a reason I've been pretty blackpilled lately on climate change, folks. There was a long post a while back outlining how we've got about twenty years at best before society starts collapsing, and not much can avert it at this point.If I believed that Id probably be popping those black pills also.
lol yeah they've been doing that for years already.It was happening in New Zealand as well, and I have no idea why.
People like Zuckerberg and Oprah are buying up a ton of land in Hawaii to build huge complexes there. Now, I think Hawaii is probably the worst place possible to do something like this, but I guess they think they'll be safe from volcanoes and floods underground?
Their concept of "hyperracism" is an integral concept of the whole process because they believe that the rich are genetically superior and us lower lifeforms are a contaminate in the human gene pool; by excluding us from their plans, we will naturally die out.
It was happening in New Zealand as well, and I have no idea why.
Like, I'm not sure why New Zealand specifically ended up being the target, not as a judgment against New Zealand.
Seems like you'd want a slightly larger island.
If we are all gonna die anyway, I hope Elon Musk is still alive when the end comes so he suffers too. The last thing I want is him living out a natural lifespan in a fancy bunker. I want him having that final panicked realization that he fucked himself and that he can't save himself like he thought
He will be long dead before any noticable consequences happen.
Musk might very well live another forty-plus years, extinction is assured by sixty years
He will be long dead before any noticable consequences happen. It's like throwing the entire world out of a plane without parachutes. Some will die before they hit the bottom and know only the fun free fall for the rest of their lives.
The generations to come are fucked. We're basically past the point of no return so it doesn't matter what anyone else does anymore.
It's a shame. This planet used to be so beautiful.
Noticeable consequences are going to happen in the next decade or two when entire countries and geographic regions don't have access to clean drinking water. It's going to cause a bigger refugee crisis than any war the world has seen.Refugee crises don't affect billionaires.
I think you're being way too aggressive here. Large parts of the world unhabitable in 60 years, sure. Full human extinction? That's gonna take a lot longer.Almost the entire planet will become uninhabitable for humans once we cross the 4.0C mark and we're on track to hit that by 2050 at the latest.
"While Hansen et al are on the high end of available estimates, we cannot say with any confidence that they are wrong, rather that they just represent something closer to a worst-case outcome.