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Toonstrack posted...
So the only strength villains have to lose in a giant crossover film and can't lose in a singular movie? Is Magento weak know too because he loses in X1?
Magneto has never been portrayed as a universal or multiversal threat and you inserting him into this to make that argument is plain ridiculous.

Toonstrack posted...
She didn't have to die, she chose to sacrifice herself.
Yes she did? The movie wrote her to die, so she did. The point isn't who's hand it is. The point is why did she have to sacrifice herself? What happened to her where she ended on the path of needing to die? Why did the movie happen?
And she was driven to ruthlesness by the magic book she was using in a quest to find her multiverse kids.

The best part of this? I didnt even see Dr. Strange 2. Many ppl did tho and it made nearly a billion dollars. Do you think eveyeone there had watched wandavision?
What magic book? What multiverse kids? You have intentionally ignored your argument about not needing to see the TV shows for any context when the context is explicitly and exclusively in the TV show.

What does how many views it has have to do with why the premise of the plot exist?

This is stupid and you arguing is just for the sake of arguing at this point. I'm also surprised you'd admit to not watching the movie and still arguing about it when you whined about people watching a movie or show earlier and not understanding it.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It took an entire team of X-Men

And it took 10x that amount of trained soldiers with powers and advanced technology, AND 4 actual costumes superheroes and a supergenius to beat Kang.

Stop pretending otherwise, you've already proven you haven't seen the movie. You're arguing things you don't even know about.

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Toonstrack posted...
*this* Kang was. Its been explained to you what kangs MO is, and how is threat functions and has always functioned so you cant even care ignorance at this point. I dont have to explain to you why the clones struggled against the battle druids. Its not because the battle droids were just that powerful.

That Kng is literally introed as the most dangerous of the group. Like come on. nobody gives a shit "but that's not the REAL Kang!!!"



Every movies box office numbers have been declining the mcus box office numbers have been declining less.


Cool story, still declining. And this is actually a big problem because of how expensive the films are. Comparre to something like Longlegs or Nosferatu which din't cost the GDP of a small country and were smash hits.

Disney took a multi billion property like Star Wars and made it a direct to streaming property, with declining profits. Indiana Jones was a disaster. 2023 was not good for the MCU at all, or Disney as a whole.

Yes, you can cite marvels, the one movie 17 years in that was released just after a Hollywood strike as a tru blue flop. Congrats, the mcu is well and truly toast now!


And wooooosh went the goalposts. You understand when a company like Disney looks at this and sees they're slowly profiting less off ballooning budgets, this is not healthy or sustainable? Agatha all Along didn't do well, either. Secret Invasion flopped.

Marvel had a comic book do like 400k copies last year lmao. It was 5 bucks per copy. That was one issue, our of rhe hundreds they released. They'll be alright without your input.

Oh, this is absurdity. Marvel's market share with comics has declined enormously, ditto DC. The comic industry as a whole is thriving and powerful because of manga and graphic novels, but Marvel and DC cannot capture that audience. The most popular superhero comic on the planet is My Hero Academia. The most popular comic of 2024, btw, was Absolute Batman 1 which sold about 200K copies. The Batman movies have grossed many, MANY times that, and one volume of MHA sold over a million copies.

Marvel cannot translate even its impressive movie runs into dominating the comic markets. The problems of the comic industry aren't hidden, it's been an issue for a long while now. And this isn't even a discussion of quality, it's an inability to keep audiences whih Marvel has been steadily bleeding

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LightSnake posted...
Why would I argue the big villain of a trilogy dies at the end of the trilogy?

You'd argue him being soloed because he didn't get soloed. You guys know that term doesn't just mean "dies to someone" right?

They have taken major financial hits, they've spent a ton only to see diminishing returns, this is not working as well as you claim!

Hey who knows, maybe you'll finally get your wish and see the MCU die in 5 years or so. We all are going to go see doomsday, so that ain't gonna be it.

1 movie out of like 35 have flopped, just a matter of time now!
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Toonstrack posted...
You'd argue him being soloed because he didn't get soloed. You guys know that term doesn't just mean "dies to someone" right?

No, I don't think that the lord of darkness in Star Was dying because a moment of blind rage and hate leaves him vulnerable to an act of love, self-sacrifice and redemption from a man he believed was his broken servant at the end of a film trilogy is the same as Marvel allowing their new big bad to get kicked into

https://youtu.be/S6dfSRWTgMg
Menwhile, Kang is beaten by

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Ant Man and Wasp



Hey who knows, maybe you'll finally get your wish and see the MCU die in 5 years or so. We all are going to go see doomsday, so that ain't gonna be it.

I don't want the MCU to die. I want it to stop being a bad influence on cinema and to be good. Not much to ask, tbqh.

1 movie out of like 35 have flopped, just a matter of time now!

You realize a number of other films before that were financial disappointments without being 'flops,' right?
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GuerillaGorilla posted...
Magneto has never been portrayed as a universal or multiversal threat and you inserting him into this to make that argument is plain ridiculous.

Kang isn't a threat because of his power level. You've been told this. Hes a threat because of his access to the span of time and because of his numbers. This was addressed.

Yes she did? The movie wrote her to die, so she did. The point isn't who's hand it is. The point is why did she have to sacrifice herself? What happened to her where she ended on the path of needing to die? Why did the movie happen?

No, She didn't *have* to die, she chose to sacrifice herself. Just like Vader didn't *have* to die in ROTJ. He chose to sacrifice himself to atone for his actions. Hint friggin hint..

No movie ever "needs" to happen. Literally what are you even arguing at this point? You guys have gone from "Kang got beat by antzzz " to "why did a movie that did 900 million dollars need to exist?"

What magic book? What multiverse kids? .

All of those are established well and truly within the movie lol. Its shown what the book is capable of, and she's down to recognize kids.

What does how many views it has have to do with why the premise of the plot exist?

It has to do with the fact that that's a nonsensical question asked in bad faith.

This is stupid and you arguing is just for the sake of arguing at this point. I'm also surprised you'd admit to not watching the movie

I can admit that because I'm displaying that you can clearly know basic things about the movie without seeing it, and im not arguing falsehoods of the movie under this guide like you are attempting to do with ant man.

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Toonstrack posted...
And it took 10x that amount of trained soldiers with powers and advanced technology, AND 4 actual costumes superheroes and a supergenius to beat Kang.

Bruh....you are talking about an X-Men team with at least two Omega-level mutants on it with Storm and Jean. Storm alone would take out that entire army in Ant-Man 3 lol
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It took an entire team of X-Men to defeat Magneto. Certainly not Ant-Man and a bunch of ants
UMMM ACTUALLY, IT WASN'T A BUNCH OF ANTS, IT WAS A BUNCH OF ANTS WHO DEVELOPED HYPERINTELLIGENCE WHICH MAKES IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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LightSnake posted...
No, I don't think that the lord of darkness

Youre dodging. I never even said Palpatine was weak. I said he didn't get soloed. It took an army and a war to take down what he built.

Same as Kang.

I don't want the MCU to die. I want it to stop being a bad influence

What bad influence? No one else isn't replicating their success, so clesrly they are doing something wrong and the MCU us doing something right. We'll see how DCs attempt goes.

If you think we aren't getting great indie works in this era you just aren't looking hard enough for it. The MCU was never stopping that.

You realize a number of other films before that were financial disappointments without being 'flops,' right?

Of course. Thats why I know that marvels doesnr spell the end of rhe mcu any more than their second movie being a disappointment does.

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LightSnake posted...
lmao, spine of wet linguini
Thanks, I might steal this term.

Thank you very much lmao I genuinely laughed
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I can't believe we really have to argue Kang losing in one of the worst C-string reviewed MCU films that did so poorly it ended hopes for Ant Man 4 ws perhaps not a great way to introduce the character to audiences
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Bruh....you are talking about an X-Men team with at least two Omega-level mutants on it with Storm and Jean. Storm alone would take out that entire army in Ant-Man 3 lol

Can you stop pretending you know what the armies in ant man 3 are capable of when you didn't even know they had powers?
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Toonstrack posted...
Can you stop pretending you know what the armies in ant man 3 are capable of when you didn't even know they had powers?

So what powers are they and how do they compare to an entire Avengers teams? Or the X-Men?
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LightSnake posted...
I can't believe we really have to argue Kang losing

Your not arguing Kang losing. Apparently you've just been trying to argue the entire mcu kind sucks or... something? You've kinda been all over the place with this. All I said was he didn't get soloed by ant man, soemthing that is objectively true. Why it blew up into this is beyond me.

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Toonstrack posted...
Youre dodging. I never even said Palpatine was weak. I said he didn't get soloed. It took an army and a war to take down what he built.

Same as Kang.

Why are you not realizing Palpatine literally dies at the end of a trilogy, while Kang is outfought in what's meant to be the end of an overarching saga?

Why is "everything Kang built" being "taken down" in a single movie when he's meant to be Marvel's new big-ass threat?

What bad influence? No one else isn't replicating their success, so clesrly they are doing something wrong and the MCU us doing something right. We'll see how DCs attempt goes.


Probably the parts of "everyone wants a cinematic universe and churn out shitty films with bloated budgets" that suck up oxygen from tons of others? That they promote shitty, cookie cutter films that take no risks

If you think we aren't getting great indie works in this era you just aren't looking hard enough for it. The MCU was never stopping that.

Nah, it just hindered it.

Of course. Thats why I know that marvels doesnr spell the end of rhe mcu any more than their second movie being a disappointment does.

Doctor Strange 2 has a "disappointing" run at the office. Ant Man 3 did so poorly it ended hopes for Ant Man 4. Marvels bombed. Multiple shows flopped. You think Marvel is HAPPY with these performances?
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
So what powers are they and how do they compare to an entire Avengers team?

Watch the movie and find out!
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ImAMarvel posted...
I'm ok with them moving forward with Kang but why not just fucking recast? I don't understand why they feel like they need him. Just use Colman Domingo or something.
They made the brilliant move to have the individual who has a bazillion different variants have them all played by the same actor.
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Toonstrack posted...
Watch the movie and find out!

Nope I want your answer
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dancing_cactuar posted...
They made the brilliant move to have the individual who has a bazillion different variants have them all played by the same actor.

Reminder Kevin Feige tried to hold on to Jonathan Majors as long as possible but didn't defend Victoria Alonso for refusing to censor out the pride flag for the Kuwaiti release. Dude fucking sucks.

Remember how much Disney was patting themselves on the back for "We're so progressive, we gave Eternals to an Asian Woman for the first time!" Then the movie didn't do well, they threw Chloe Zhao out an airlock and haven't ever mentioned her again? Shallow, rainbow capitalism bullshit by artless bastards
Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen
dancing_cactuar posted...
They made the brilliant move to have the individual who has a bazillion different variants have them all played by the same actor.
Eh, at this point I'm not sure the viewers would mind the recast.

They recasted characters once and I doubt that the villain that almost no comic book nerd ever heard of would care, since he already not keeping up with the Thanos hype.
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LightSnake posted...
Why are you not realizing Palpatine literally dies at the end of a trilogy, while Kang is outfought in what's meant to be the end of an overarching saga?

Palpatine does absolutely nothing threat wise in ESB two movies and doesnt even appear in ANH, soooo I mean that kinda was his first real showcase lmao. Be so for real right now dude.

Why is "everything Kang built" being "taken down" in a single movie when he's meant to be Marvel's new big-ass threat?

Because his threat is that there ar emany of him, and one takes a small team of very powerful superheroes and an army of thousands to beat.

Imagine if there were infinite Palpatines. Thats Kangs whole thing.

Probably the parts of "everyone wants a cinematic universe and churn out shitty films with bloated budgets" that suck up oxygen from tons of others? That they promote shitty, cookie cutter films that take no risks

Mcu does take risks, and thats why they've succeeded. That they started a trend that others followed poorly isn't an argument against the MCU. Star wars did the same thing in the 80s with many copy attempts and cheap sci fi projects hyper commercialized eith toys and merch, none of which stood the same test of time.

This is a Hollywood issue not an MCU one. They chase trends. MCU makes them.

Nah, it just hindered it.

Again, if you aren't seeing indie works thrive you aren't lookin in the right places.

Doctor Strange 2 has a "disappointing" run at the office. Ant Man 3 did so poorly it ended hopes for Ant Man 4. Marvels bombed. Multiple shows flopped. You think Marvel is HAPPY with these performances?

Doctor strange made nearly a billin dollars and exceeded it's predecessor. Only reason it didn't hit a billion was because China banned it.

Ant man 3 was a top 10 grosser of the year which saw even well known franchises fail like the Fast trilogy.

Marvels I've explained already.

Like you said, there's context to everything.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Nope I want your answer

You want me to explain something to you that you've been arguing in complete ignorance? Why not just not make claims you clearly can't back up because you didn't see the movie while arguing things you know are false from the movie?
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Toonstrack posted...
Palpatine does absolutely nothing threat wise in ESB two movies and doesnt even appear in ANH, soooo I mean that kinda was his first real showcase lmao. Be so for real right now dude.


And...? He's the overarching threat of a trilogy. I don't need him to be out there, flipping around and blasting the rebels himself. Everything I need to know about how Emperor Palpatine is a threat is when Darth Vader kneels before him and calls him master in ESB.

There weren't like 15 Star Wars films before he appears and then another 23 planned after. It's a trilogy. He's the evil overlord. He dies. The end.

Because his threat is that there ar emany of him, and one takes a small team of very powerful superheroes and an army of thousands to beat.

The entirety of Ant Man is kept from keeping him, personally him, escaping because he will destroy the multiverse himself.
Imagine if there were infinite Palpatines. Thats Kangs whole thing.

See above.
Mcu does take risks, and thats why they've succeeded. That they started a trend that others followed poorly isn't an argument against the MCU. Star wars did the same thing in the 80s with many copy attempts and cheap sci fi projects hyper commercialized eith toys and merch, none of which stood the same test of time.


The MCU hasn't taken a risk in a while, and even then most of their films are just safe. Even those that purport to have a message can barely bring themselves to actually commit to it.

Star Wars was also a throwback to old Sci Fi serials of old, heavily influenced by French Science Fiction comics and Jidaigeki films, in defiance of the bleak Science Fiction of the 70s, not really the same thing. The MCU have largely been safe, but ultimately empty, cinema.

Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen


This is a Hollywood issue not an MCU one. They chase trends. MCU makes them.

lmao, this is some fanboy bullshit. MCU films are some of the safest things out there. They have promoted the idea of ballooned, bloated budgets that are nearly impossible to recoup

Again, if you aren't seeing indie works thrive you aren't lookin in the right places.

And who said that?
Doctor strange made nearly a billin dollars and exceeded it's predecessor. Only reason it didn't hit a billion was because China banned it.


It had a strong opening. What happened then? Oh, right. the film reported one of the worst box office drops of the MCU.

Ant man 3 was a top 10 grosser of the year which saw even well known franchises fail like the Fast trilogy.

Huh, maybe it's a bad sign when that's considered a bad perfomnce then!

Marvels I've explained already.

Like you said, there's context to everything.

"MARVEL CANNOT FAIL! IT CAN ONLY BE FAILED!"
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Back for DEI.
That he keeps yelling "But Palpatine" is an argument that the MCU is bad for comprehension.

It's like introducing Freeza in Dragonball if you immediately had Yamcha beat him into a pulp because, I dunno, he was distracted by Piccolo or whatever
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Toonstrack posted...
Kang isn't a threat because of his power level. You've been told this. Hes a threat because of his access to the span of time and because of his numbers. This was addressed.

No, She didn't *have* to die, she chose to sacrifice herself. Just like Vader didn't *have* to die in ROTJ. He chose to sacrifice himself to atone for his actions. Hint friggin hint..

No movie ever "needs" to happen. Literally what are you even arguing at this point? You guys have gone from "Kang got beat by antzzz " to "why did a movie that did 900 million dollars need to exist?"

All of those are established well and truly within the movie lol. Its shown what the book is capable of, and she's down to recognize kids.

It has to do with the fact that that's a nonsensical question asked in bad faith.

I can admit that because I'm displaying that you can clearly know basic things about the movie without seeing it, and im not arguing falsehoods of the movie under this guide like you are attempting to do with ant man.
Lot of words to ignore the argument you brought up and make new ones that don't exist. You say all this because you're not understanding what you're reading and arguing about, which is ironic when you were whining about people doing that earlier with the movies, and calling it bad faith in response.

Why does sacrifice =/= die? She died because the movie was made to make her die. That's the meta reason she died. Anyways, I don't gaf she died, that's not the point I'm making, and again, is just stuff you're arguing about for the sake of it. I also never argued about whether the movie should have existed or not.

The movie exists because of another property, and who's context remains exclusively to it.
You forgot this
Not a single post endgame project as been unwatchable without prior knowledge.
Which MoM directly contradicts. She was a hero in Endgame and then suddenly a multiversal murderer in her next showing? How does that make sense without prior knowledge?

And there are multiple arguments you're making. This is separate from the Antman one.

Go ahead and make up more random arguments that don't have to do with anything because you don't know what you're arguing about so I can ignore it and move on.

Also, sorry to everyone else for starting this drivel that we're now wading through. And I wish I had the foresight an hour ago to do what other people did and called Kang shit and just moved on.
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LightSnake posted...
And...? He's the overarching threat of a trilogy. I don't need him to be out there, flipping around and blasting the rebels himself. Everything I need to know about how Emperor Palpatine is a threat is when Darth Vader kneels before him and calls him master in ESB.

There weren't like 15 Star Wars films before he appears and then another 23 planned after. It's a trilogy. He's the evil overlord. He dies. The end.

It wild you cannot see the double standard you're employing here. You treat him as a palpable threat based on an interaction, but a character who does all the same three AND displays clear capability to defeat established heavyweights is weak.. Just because you didn't like the movie?

The entirety of Ant Man is kept from keeping him, personally him, escaping because he will destroy the multiverse himself.
See above.

Wasp said he could be a threat to the multiverse; he is a threat, who can traverse the multiverse. How is this undermined by the film exactly?

The MCU hasn't taken a risk in a while, and even then most of their films are just safe. Even those that purport to have a message can barely bring themselves to actually commit to it.

Lol the MCU released a cultural landmark of a movie with black panther 5 years before ant man 3. But you're changing goalposts. Having a risk and having a message are two very different things. The MCU does take risks, even now, narrative ones. And many of the projects has a social element too.

Star Wars was also a throwback to old Sci Fi serials of old, heavily influenced by French Science Fiction comics and Jidaigeki films, in defiance of the bleak Science Fiction of the 70s, not really the same thing. The MCU have largely been safe, but ultimately empty, cinema.

Atar wars is a throwback to the comic book adventures of old, which existed themselves in many forms as a defiance against normalcy in the period they thrived. Thats why many who enjoyed them were ostracized.
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LightSnake posted...
lmao, this is some fanboy bullshit.

You can't say this and then try to argue a movie making 900m post pandemic is a "disappointment". How many other movies have done that since You? You can count them on their hands(and at least 3 of them are disney)

I Dont think marvel considers ant man that bad a performance. I think you do, but you also considered dr strange 2 a bad performance so I mean...

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Toonstrack posted...
It wild you cannot see the double standard you're employing here. You treat him as a palpable threat based on an interaction, but a character who does all the same three AND displays clear capability to defeat established heavyweights is weak.. Just because you didn't like the movie?


Pray tell. was Palpatine intended on being an overrching threat for 6 more films before he lost to a c-tier hero?
Wasp said he could be a threat to the multiverse; he is a threat, who can traverse the multiverse. How is this undermined by the film exactly?


Because he's beaten by Ant Man.

Lol the MCU released a cultural landmark of a movie with black panther 5 years before ant man 3. But you're changing goalposts. Having a risk and having a message are two very different things. The MCU does take risks, even now, narrative ones. And many of the projects has a social element too.

Black Panther is one of the few bold films of the MCU and still ends in a silly CGI slugfest. It's the safest formula in the world.

The idea the MCU is "risky" is just hilarious. The films almost uniformly end the same way.

Atar wars is a throwback to the comic book adventures of old, which existed themselves in many forms as a defiance against normalcy in the period they thrived. Thats why many who enjoyed them were ostracized.

I'm sorry, but what? Star Wars was one of the most mainstream things in the world.
Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen
MCU did a bad job showing Kang the Conqueror being a threat in that Antman movie. We're told over and over again why we should fear him, but doesn't show any feats to why we should fear him. That's honestly played the biggest role (other than Majors DA allegations) to why no one cares about Kang. Kang the Conqueror has potential, they just need to do his character justice.
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Toonstrack posted...
You can't say this and then try to argue a movie making 900m post pandemic is a "disappointment". How many other movies have done that since You? You can count them on their hands(and at least 3 of them are disney)

I Dont think marvel considers ant man that bad a performance. I think you do, but you also considered dr strange 2 a bad performance so I mean...

Marvel considers Ant Man's peformance so bad they killed plans for a 4th Ant Man film.

Also, please look at the budgets.
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LightSnake posted...
Also, please look at the budgets.
It bears repeating that there is not justification for the budgets being this big. If you tell me it is a money laundering scheme I would believe it.
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Antman 3 wasn't a BO flop, but Disney did report that it massively under-performed/a BO disappointment considering how big of a budget they spent on it and were expecting Infinity War/End Game numbers.
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Prestoff posted...
Antman 3 wasn't a BO flop, but Disney did report that it massively under-performed/a BO disappointment considering how big of a budget they spent on it and were expecting Infinity War/End Game numbers.

Therein lies a big problem with these; films can profit, but not enough to offset what was spent on them. Disney paid billions for Star Wars and they 100 percent did not get the return on their investment they wanted
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GuerillaGorilla posted...
Lot of words to ignore the argument you brought up and make new ones that don't exist.

What argument is bein ignored?



Why does sacrifice =/= die? She died because the movie was made to make her die. That's the meta reason she died. Anyways, I don't gaf she died, .

....you literally typed all this out and didn't even have an actual argument at the end of it beyond semantics? Jesus H christ.

The movie exists because of another property

Wtf are you talking about? Dr strange was announced to get a sequel years before wandsvision even came out lmfao.

Which MoM directly contradicts. She was a hero in Endgame and then suddenly a multiversal murderer in her next showing? How does that make sense without prior knowledge?

If you watch the movie they explain how she got to that point. Bucky is a hero in cap 1 and a villan in cap 2. They explain how that happens.

You can get extra context in Wandavisiom but guess what? She's a hero in Wandavision also lmao.

And there are multiple arguments you're making. This is separate from the Antman one.

Go ahead and make up more random arguments that don't have to do with anything because you don't know what you're arguing about so I can ignore it and move on.

As opposed to this scarlet witch tangent which was totally relevant?

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LightSnake posted...
Pray tell. was Palpatine intended on being an overrching threat for 6 more films before he lost to a c-tier hero?

He didn't lose to a c tier hero, and he didn't lose to even just one a tier villain. It took many hands to defeat him.

As for what plans for him were, Lucas claims he planned 6, then 9, or even 12 depending when you ask him. Idk.

Because he's beaten by Ant Man.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/01071c73.jpg

Ant man, dozens of war ships, thousands of soldiers, and ant man never even beats him. Its Wasp who delivers the final blow before he nearly kills ant man in a one on one fight that isnt even CGI

Black Panther is one of the few bold films of the MCU and still ends in a silly CGI slugfest. It's the safest formula in the world.

The movie in a fictional wakandan nation with two characters wearing supersuits make out of a fictional material has cgi, yes. Engame also ends in a cgi slugfest. And its cool af.

The idea the MCU is "risky" is just hilarious. The films almost uniformly end the same way.

If you're trying to argue that because the bad guy loses at the end of superhero movies that makes them all the same then this conversation has nowhere left to go because you've reached rock bottom in terms of an argument. I've never known you to make unsound arguments on far more important topics but this is wild lol.

I'm sorry, but what? Star Wars was one of the most mainstream things in the world.

Sorry that meant to say "mcu"
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Toonstrack posted...
He didn't lose to a c tier hero, and he didn't lose to even just one a tier villain. It took many hands to defeat him.

Dude. He's KOed by fucking Ant Man. After a duel with Ant Man. In an Ant Man movie. Just accept it.

As for what plans for him were, Lucas claims he planned 6, then 9, or even 12 depending when you ask him. Idk.


I'm sure. And nothing indicates Palpatine would've returned in his original idea for them. Palpatine stayed dead except for like an EU comic for 27 years

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Ant man, dozens of war ships, thousands of soldiers, and ant man never even beats him. Its Wasp who delivers the final blow before he nearly kills ant man.


Scott is literally the one to finish him there.
Also, "Kang took a fatal blow from a side character in the Ant Man film" isn't better.

The movie in a fictional wakandan nation with two characters wearing supersuits make out of a fictional material has cgi, yes. Engame also ends in a cgi slugfest. And its cool af.


Uh, whatever you say I guess.

If you're trying to argue that because the bad guy loses at the end of superhero movies that makes them all the same then this conversation has nowhere left to go because you've reached rock bottom in terms of an argument. I've never known you to make unsound arguments on far more important topics but this is wild lol.

"The Bad Guy Loses" is expected. "The Big overarching Threat Loses In a C Tier Hero" film is another matter. Maybe Marvel was pretty smart not to have Thanos's first major film ending with him being defeated in a dance off by Peter Quill and then shot by Rocket Raccoon after his forces were driven back by Nova Corps
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LightSnake posted...
Therein lies a big problem with these; films can profit, but not enough to offset what was spent on them. Disney paid billions for Star Wars and they 100 percent did not get the return on their investment they wanted

Yes they almost certainly did. They spent 4 billion on star wars, the franchise, not just movies. Just the 3 movies themselves made 4 billion, around 2 billion profits if not more.

But that's not how investments work anyway. These are long term investments that are meant to return over a period of years, if not decades. Star wars will be generating revenue for a long long time, as will marvel.
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Yeah, Star Wars did so well. That's why it's now a direct to streaming TV franchise that keeps swapping creative teams for the next films, truly the sign of health
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LightSnake posted...
Dude. He's KOed by fucking Ant Man. After a duel with Ant Man. In an Ant Man movie. Just accept it.

1. I was talking about Palpatine.

2. Dude be real. Kang was kicking Ant mans ass in the final fight of the movie and wasp jumps in and knocks him into the pym particles which kills him.

I'm sure. And nothing indicates Palpatine would've returned in his original idea for them. Palpatine stayed dead except for like an EU comic for 27 years

And hes still treated as a palpable threat. Because being killed in your first major appearance doesn't make you not one.

Scott is literally the one to finish him there.
Also, "Kang took a fatal blow from a side character in the Ant Man film" isn't better.

This is such a silly semantically argument that is beneath us both. Kang was *clearly * beating ant mans ass in that fight and you know it, I know it.

Uh, whatever you say I guess.

"The Bad Guy Loses" is expected. "The Big overarching Threat Loses In a C Tier Hero" film is another matter.

Ant man isnt a c tier hero. Hes a more profitable hero than wonder woman and superman these days. Hes in what was for a time the highest grossing film of all time and has appeared in 2 billion dollar movies, and 1 2 billion dollar movie. Everyone who knows superheroes knows who he is.

And yes, those statements are the same in this context. The bad guy lost to the hero in the heroes movie. That doesnf make him weak. Ant man is not weak, and casual fans don't think ant man is weak until they have to make this hackneyed Kang argument work. Therefore Kang is not weak for losing to ant man, another ant man, 2 other superheroes, thousands of soldiers? Flying fortresses, etc. Any other time ant man is treated like a potential threat to Thanos himself.

It doesn't track.
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Toonstrack posted...
1. I was talking about Palpatine.

2. Dude be real. Kang was kicking Ant mans ass in the final fight of the movie and wasp jumps in and knocks him into the pym particles which kills him.


Cool story, still lost to Ant Man

And hes still treated as a palpable threat. Because being killed in your first major appearance doesn't make you not one.

Being killed by Ant Man does.

Palpatine isn't beaten by Jar Jar Binks here. When he's dead (and to be clear, he's killed in a thematically appropriate way), he had the decency to stay dead and the trilogy ended.

This is such a silly semantically argument that is beneath us both. Kang was *clearly * beating ant mans ass in that fight and you know it, I know it.

Cool, hve him keep doing that and leave. He' be preserved as a threat.

Ant man isnt a c tier hero. Hes a more profitable hero than wonder woman and superman these days.


You've lost the plot

And yes, those statements are the same in this context. The bad guy lost to the hero in the heroes movie. That doesnf make him weak. Ant man is not weak, and casual fans don't think ant man is weak until they have to make this hackneyed Kang argument work. Any other time ant man is treated like a potential threat to Thanos himself.

It doesn't track.

"The bad guy lost to the shittest of all heroes before hes meant to go on as a major threat" Before that, Ant Man struggled against a girl who didn't want to be a villain and a dude nobody remembers. Great pedigree
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In fairness, this is keeping those two out of other topics, it's basically a weird quarantine.
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LightSnake posted...
Cool story, still lost to Ant Man

Being killed by Ant Man does.

General audience thinks ant man can kill Thanos. So no.

Palpatine isn't beaten by Jar Jar Binks here. When he's dead (and to be clear, he's killed in a thematically appropriate way), he had the decency to stay dead and the trilogy ended.

Villains aren't supposed to have decency. He didn't stay dead either lol.

Cool, hve him keep doing that and leave. He' be preserved as a threat.

How'd he be preserved as a threat for beating ant man; bur losing to ant man makes him not a threat? can't have it both ways lmao.

You've lost the plot

No, im stating a fact. Ant man is not a c tier hero and neither are the guardians. They are all household names.The mcu did that. Singlehandedly. The ant man movies got more money and time than the last superman attempt did, and the last wonder woman.

"The bad guy lost to the shittest of all heroes before hes meant to go on as a major threat" Before that, Ant Man struggled against a girl who didn't want to be a villain and a dude nobody remembers. Great pedigree

Captain america thought he was enough of a threat to be a secret weapon against half the avengers.

Cap is right. You are not.

Its crazy how we've found out vis this convo that you dislike the mcu, dislike ant man, and its unclear you even like comic books, so do you think all the villains in the MCU suck becayse the mcu does ? Because that woild make more sense.
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DrizztLink posted...
In fairness, this is keeping those two out of other topics, it's basically a weird quarantine.

Those other dead topics you mean?
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DrizztLink posted...
In fairness, this is keeping those two out of other topics, it's basically a weird quarantine.
I don't mind it. I kinda respect Toonstrack for being this zealous at defending the things he likes.
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