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The last time they did this a bunch of kids died after being hit by cars walking to school in the dark
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I like the one where there's more sunlight when I'm awake (8-9 am - 12 am). DST is great. I hate it when the sun is gone at 5 pm in the winter. So depressing. I love going outside at 9 pm and the sun is still out. Just love it.
Trump seems to want to do it, too:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trumps-plan-end-daylight-savings-will-430-m-new-american-daybreak-rcna184394

The government has screwed the citizens over so much that the least they could do is to get rid of something unnecessary that we dont want. The winter time gives you 9-11 hours of light while the summer time gives you 11-15. Snow and ice would have more light to help melt faster.

As far as kids walking to school goes, they can change the hours they go to school or do online learning for a hour every day or something. Not to be rude, but that should really be on the parents and the school district, and not on society.
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
We tried permanent DST. People hated it.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/
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Payzmaykr posted...
Snow and ice would have more light to help melt faster.
Dude, it don't matter if the light is from 7am-6pm or 8am-7pm, the snow ain't gonna care what time it is.
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I'm interested in the overlap of people who want to move sunlight hours for their personal convenience and people who are empowered to change their alarm clock setting.
Were_Wyrm posted...
Dude, it don't matter if the light is from 7am-6pm or 8am-7pm, the snow ain't gonna care what time it is.
This happens literally every single time I see this topic discussed on the internet. Some people chime in somehow thinking that congress has the ability to add and delete sunlight with legislation.
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Okay, okay. Either way, its a good thing even without that.
Were_Wyrm posted...
Dude, it don't matter if the light is from 7am-6pm or 8am-7pm, the snow ain't gonna care what time it is.

You're not very bright are you.

We need permanent standard time, not DST.
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Pikachuchupika posted...
love going outside at 9 pm and the sun is still out. Just love it.
Where the fuck do you live that ever happens, even in June the Sun's finally down by 9 pm.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
I love daylight savings time. I absolutely get more daylight on during my work schedule because of it, and the change up isn't a big deal for me as a dude who has been doing this for decades.

/inb4 Cletus says it don't make no daylight
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I hate DST. I'm cool with no more switching, but can we please keep it standard time? I'm not trying to have the sun set at like 9pm during the summer. That's in addition to some other issue.
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I would if I was in the dark
if republicans are actually agreeing with democrats on a bill, they must have underlying motive to choosing permanent DST instead of standard time
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FearlessMango posted...
if republicans are actually agreeing with democrats on a bill, they must have underlying motive to choosing permanent DST instead of standard time
I didn't watch the recent one but I watched the congressional hearings on this when it was almost passed a couple years ago. They had a few scientists trying to go standard time but if not, at the very least pick one between standard and DST because the switching back and forth is objectively the worst possible option. And then one non-scientist dude representing business interests who said his number one concern is that more people buy things after work when it's light outside, so we should try to keep that. So I think that probably speaks to your question.
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FearlessMango posted...
if republicans are actually agreeing with democrats on a bill, they must have underlying motive to choosing permanent DST instead of standard time
Well, it's the worse option so it fits right in with their anti-intellectualism. If it becomes permanent anybody with the power to choose their own working hours will just shift to an hour earlier.
While I would prefer permanent standard time, I just want the two time changes per year thing to be over once and for all.
Like it or leave it. Hey, where are you going?
I'd prefer permanent DST because I like more light in the evening and am never going to see the sun either way in the morning when I get up.

But I'll take either way as long as they just pick one and stop this back and forth nonsense.
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Antifar posted...
The last time they did this a bunch of kids died after being hit by cars walking to school in the dark
I think we are past the point of politicians pretending to care about dead kids.
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Permanent daylight savings will be amazing for anyone who commutes home in cold climates.
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Antifar posted...
The last time they did this a bunch of kids died after being hit by cars walking to school in the dark
Fortunately, this has not a single damn thing on this polluted blue dot to do with what time the clock says.

If school administrators don't move the time school starts to a safe time, that's on their own dumbass heads.
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Of course theyd choose the wrong option. Permanent standard time is much better. Fuck DST.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Fortunately, this has not a single damn thing on this polluted blue dot to do with what time the clock says.

If school administrators don't move the time school starts to a safe time, that's on their own dumbass heads.


It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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ReturnOfDevsman posted...
Fortunately, this has not a single damn thing on this polluted blue dot to do with what time the clock says.
Today I learned it doesn't matter if the clock says 8 am if it's dark at 8 am!

If school administrators don't move the time school starts to a safe time, that's on their own dumbass heads.
Ah, brilliant, we'll do DST for school start times instead.

Do you just think you're the smartest person in the country? Do you think all those school admins were just too fucking stupid to change school start times when we tried this permanent DST nonsense 50 years ago and people found out they hated it once Winter rolled around?
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Where the fuck do you live that ever happens, even in June the Sun's finally down by 9 pm.

Not in Phx it ain't.

But in any case it's all relative. Just shift school/business starting time to compensate if necessary.
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Now I'm wondering if the US will ever switch to the metric system and how that would go.
MabinogiFan posted...
Now I'm wondering if the US will ever switch to the metric system and how that would go.


Not for gas.
But most tools seem to be metric anymore. Fuck a 19/32" wrench
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Your state and (possibly county) can already go to permanent DST, without the federal government getting involved. Indiana used to be county-by-county for time zone and DST observance, for example. You don't need to wait for Congress!
Shamino posted...
Just shift school/business starting time to compensate if necessary.
"We should keep DST. We'll just shift the start time of everything in the winter an hour later so people don't die in the mornings when it's dark until 8 am"

What's the point, then?
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Where the fuck do you live that ever happens, even in June the Sun's finally down by 9 pm.
Places like parts of ND are like 9:45 PM sunset in the summers. 8:30 AM sunrise in the winters.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
"We should keep DST. We'll just shift the start time of everything in the winter an hour later so people don't die in the mornings when it's dark until 8 am"

What's the point, then?

There's a lot of ways I could answer this question but ultimately decided on if there's no difference to how you manage your time then you should do the one that at least promotes healthy sleep schedules.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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HornyLevel posted...
Places like parts of ND are like 9:45 PM sunset in the summers. 8:30 AM sunrise in the winters.
Christ I'd hate it there.

Tyranthraxus posted...
There's a lot of ways I could answer this question but ultimately decided on if there's no difference to how you manage your time then you should do the one that at least promotes healthy sleep schedules.
So. Standard time. Scientifically proven.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
So. Standard time. Scientifically proven.

I agree with this, but permanent DST is still better than what we're doing now.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Oh, and as for another point, DST leads to increased pollution:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0048969793902485
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Do you think all those school admins were just too f***ing stupid to change school start times when we tried this permanent DST nonsense 50 years ago and people found out they hated it once Winter rolled around?
Yes
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PiOverlord posted...
As a former kid, I can assure you that we did not care if it was dark in the morning as those were hours that were meaningless to us anyways. We always preferred the daylight in the evening, though, as once it went dark, that was it for our days.

Yes, the 830 dawn doesn't matter. I hate 5pm sundown, it really does depression me. 830 am dawn just means I sleep more.
Also school start times in America are determined predominantly by what's convenient for the parents, not for what's in the best interest of the kids. School started at 8:30 because your parents had to be at work by 9. There is no other reason. We can do better.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Also school start times in America are determined predominantly by what's convenient for the parents, not for what's in the best interest of the kids. School started at 8:30 because your parents had to be at work by 9. There is no other reason. We can do better.
They're doing a freaking awful job of it then. School starts an hour after I get to work, and exactly when Mrs. Devsman does.
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SMT_Masochist posted...
That would be terrific. We're the only ones that do that right? And it was introduced at a time when farming was a staple in our economy.

Times have changed and here's to hoping we don't have to change it anymore.

UK still has DST
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kinetika_ posted...
830 am dawn just means I sleep more.
That's not how circadian rhythm works.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
I think being upset about the time is a meme

I spent the first 30 years of my life with people either not complaining or just doing like "banter" complaints about it. The past 10 years though, it seems like some folks made complaining about it a central element of their personalities.
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We are currently in regular time as we know it. No need for permanent DST. Kids in te morning just need to wear or have some kind of reflector.
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rideshort posted...
We are currently in regular time as we know it. No need for permanent DST. Kids in te morning just need to wear or have some kind of reflector.
There's no regular, only typical.
Kids shouldn't have to be more responsible based on decisions by adults, the adults should be the ones being more responsible.
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This seems like a colossal waste of time and just a boomer concern tbh. Probably because their sick of setting their mechanical watchs twice a year or something.
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Prismsblade posted...
This seems like a colossal waste of time and just a boomer concern tbh. Probably because their sick of setting their mechanical watchs twice a year or something.

As noted earlier in this thread, there's well documented health problems associated with the time change both standard and daylight. Eliminate the time change and you eliminate the problems.
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If we're going to do this time change nonsense, the goal should be trying to keep local noon close to the highest point of the sun each day. Trying to line it up with a subset of peoples' schedules doesn't make sense.
gamerofNS posted...
No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.

This is a bad opinion and you should feel bad for having it
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furb posted...
I think being upset about the time is a meme

I spent the first 30 years of my life with people either not complaining or just doing like "banter" complaints about it. The past 10 years though, it seems like some folks made complaining about it a central element of their personalities.
I lost a job over DST, is the reason I'm bitter. Now, it wasn't JUST that. But that was one of the big things.

Long story short, nobody at any point did anything right and everyone tried to compensate for each other with hacky workarounds, and it was my job to make sure DST wasn't going to mess anything up.

The canonical solution a contractor had found for the specific time zone conversion operation that he shouldn't have had to do, as it turns out, was wrong. It doesn't work for two specific hours of the year (I'll let you guess which). And I do mean canonical. There was an msdn page in it and everything, which I found when looking for an alternate solution. I didn't notice the problem, and we missed an hour's worth of data, which for day traders such as those I was supporting, was a big deal.

To be fair, I never liked those day traders. All our other customers were ok but those guys were awful.
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Prismsblade posted...
This seems like a colossal waste of time and just a boomer concern tbh. Probably because their sick of setting their mechanical watchs twice a year or something.

Didn't even read the topic, did you?

Changing the time has provable, detrimental effects on mental health, as well as an increase on things like traffic accidents and even heart attacks on the days following the time change.

They need to choose one or the other. DST is typically the popular choice because, once time is settled, more traffic accidents occur in the evening if it gets darker earlier, than in the morning if it gets light later, and earlier sunset also has a negative impact on mental health. That said, either one is fine, they just need to choose one.
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Once when reading the letters to the editor in the newspaper a few years ago, there was a lady complaining about DST and she was all for having it removed. Her main argument against it was the extra hour of sunlight was ruining her curtains, causing them to fade. The way the letter was written I think she was being serious too.
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