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Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. Senators Patty Murray (D-WA) and Rick Scott (R-FL) introduced the bipartisan Sunshine Protection Act, to officially lock the clock, end the twice-yearly time change and make Daylight Saving Time the national year-round standard. Murray and Scott were joined by Senators Tommy Tuberville, Rand Paul, Ron Wyden, Bill Hagerty, Cynthia Lummis, Ed Markey, Sheldon Whitehouse, James Lankford, Martin Heinrich, Alex Padilla, Brian Schatz, Tina Smith and Katie Britt.

Every year, more Americans grow more frustrated setting their clocks back and forth, and every winter folks in Washington state despair at the prospect of losing an hour of precious sunlight when we are forced off Daylight Saving Time, said Senator Murray.

That growing frustration has also meant growing momentum, across the country and across the political spectrum, for the Sunshine Protection Actwhich is why I am excited to reintroduce this bill today with strong bipartisan support and determined to work with anyone I can to finally get permanent Daylight Saving Time passed into federal law. This is about public health, it is about our economy, and its about just putting a little more light in families lives so they can spend time together, outdoors, in the sunshine.

I hear from Americans constantly that they are sick and tired of changing their clocks twice a year its an unnecessary, decades-old practice thats more of an annoyance to families than benefit to them. said Senator Rick Scott. In 2018, as Governor of Florida, I signed legislation that would allow the state to opt out of the practice of changing the time and Ive been a leading effort in getting this done on the federal level.
This sounds even worse than when they wanted to get rid of DST altogether. For Petes sake, just leave it alone.
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That would be terrific. We're the only ones that do that right? And it was introduced at a time when farming was a staple in our economy.

Times have changed and here's to hoping we don't have to change it anymore.
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SMT_Masochist posted...
That would be terrific. We're the only ones that do that right? And it was introduced at a time when farming was a staple in our economy.

Times have changed and here's to hoping we don't have to change it anymore.

I think some other countries still do it, but having lived in countries without it I absolutely hate it and would never want it again. Also I think Arizona doesn't have it in the US.
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About time. I would love to have permanent DST.
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To be clear, this would mean the day ends LATER in winter, right?
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We still do it in Australia. But to confuse matters, we have 2 states and 1 territory that don't do it.

You'd think when things get to that point, they'd just do away with it. Yet here we are.
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No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.
Doe posted...
To be clear, this would mean the day ends LATER in winter, right?

Correct.
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Doe posted...
To be clear, this would mean the day ends LATER in winter, right?
Yeah, and the sun stays down until nearly 8 AM, joy :)

We'll see how much people like it when school kids start getting run over next winter.

Also, I've said it a million times, but DST fucks with our sleep cycle and screws up the quality of our sleep.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
gamerofNS posted...
No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.

This.
Don't make some fake different time. You're not making the day longer, you're just making dawn an hour later. Which would be LATE in the winter.
What a fuddy duddy.
Is it still daylight savings time if it's just the default permanent timezone? What are you saving hmm?

As an Aussie I fucking hate this garbage. Ruins my sleep rhythm every year just because some dumbasses in Adelaide can't mentally calculate how to add 30 minutes to whatever clock they're reading.
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gamerofNS posted...
No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.

Agreed. Im with you. I fucking hate in the summer when its light until 2200 in the Midwest. Id rather it get dark an hour earlier at 2100. I prefer standard time.

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We tried permanent DST. People hated it.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

The sun rose at 8:27 AM on January 7, 1974. Children in the Washington area had left for school in the dark that morning, thanks to a new national experiment during a wrenching energy crisis: most of the US went to year-round daylight saving time beginning on January 6. It was jet black outside when her daughter was supposed to leave for school, Florence Bauer of Springfield told the Washington Post . Some of the children took flashlights with them.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
While I am for just stopping the time changes, I prefer standard time.

Especially now as keeping to standard will require no change but a permanent DST will require one last change. Granted, kinda moot once we spring forward again.

Then again, the forward has always been the crappy change.
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Azn_Psycho posted...
Then again, the forward has always been the crappy change.
It's been scientifically examined and the forward change does fuck with the body significantly more than the back.
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Relm_Arrowny_87 posted...
This.
Don't make some fake different time. You're not making the day longer, you're just making dawn an hour later. Which would be LATE in the winter.

Going with DST tends to be most popular when it comes to making one permanent because studies have found that there's a decrease in things like car accidents and depression when it stays lighter longer in the evening opposed to getting lighter earlier in the morning.
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i like it dark in winter and light in summer. daylight savings makes the seasons a little more sensible, it's not a bad system everyone just loves to complain about the most facile shit imaginable.
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I prefer DST, that said either is infinitely preferable to how we do it now.
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I personally didn't mind standard until I moved to Nevada. Now I'm at the front of the time zone and for awhile in winter it's dark by like 4.
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gamerofNS posted...
No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.
This.

Arizona here though, so we got it right the first time.
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I hopey grandchildren live to see them actually do this instead of just talk about how literally everyone wants it.
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I don't really care which they pick, just stop the clock changes.
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Someone explain how switching between the two actually effects anything but your sleep schedule/pattern.

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buddah86 posted...
We still do it in Australia. But to confuse matters, we have 2 states and 1 territory that don't do it.

You'd think when things get to that point, they'd just do away with it. Yet here we are.

I'm in one of the states that still have DST and for the most part its good, though I think it should start one month later and finish one month earlier.

My reasoning behind this is if we were to remove it completely then December/January would start getting light at 04:30 which, in my opinion, is too early. The reason I think it should be shortened is for the first and last month it's somewhat difficult to take advantage of fully, mainly due to the weather during October and March. For me 4 months of DST would be spot on.
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SMT_Masochist posted...
That would be terrific. We're the only ones that do that right? And it was introduced at a time when farming was a staple in our economy.

Times have changed and here's to hoping we don't have to change it anymore.

You are far from the only country to do it. A quick Google search says about 70 countries do so.
Mr_Karate_II posted...
Someone explain how switching between the two actually effects anything but your sleep schedule/pattern.

Just look it up, surrounding the time change there's an increase in all sorts of things from car accidents to heart attacks and these increases happen during both time changes.

Here's info on heart attacks specifically.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc0807104

The shift to daylight time has higher incidents than the shift to standard but both have a clear impact during people's adjustment period. Things normalize of course after a few days but there's no reason we should be doing the time changes anyways so these sorts of problems shouldn't be a thing anyways.
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As a former kid, I can assure you that we did not care if it was dark in the morning as those were hours that were meaningless to us anyways. We always preferred the daylight in the evening, though, as once it went dark, that was it for our days.
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LArcEnCieIX posted...
About time. I would love to have permanent DST.

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Enclave posted...
Just look it up, surrounding the time change there's an increase in all sorts of things from car accidents to heart attacks and these increases happen during both time changes.

Here's info on heart attacks specifically.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc0807104

The shift to daylight time has higher incidents than the shift to standard but both have a clear impact during people's adjustment period. Things normalize of course after a few days but there's no reason we should be doing the time changes anyways so these sorts of problems shouldn't be a thing anyways.
I wasn't aware of any of that
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I don't care if it's permanent dst or permanent no dst. Just fucking pick one and stick with it
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
I wasn't aware of any of that

Yup, I wasn't for a long while myself. Once I looked into it though? I'm now firmly in the camp of eliminating the time change. I prefer Daylight time myself but I'll take either over the biannual change.
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LArcEnCieIX posted...
About time. I would love to have permanent DST.


Agreed.
gamerofNS posted...
No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.

This.
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gamerofNS posted...
No. Wrong. Get rid of DST entirely. No permanent DST. Hate DST. Kill DST.

Do you like driving home in the pitch black at 5 pm?
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Permanent DST is stupid and is the exact same thing as ending DST and then shifting every US time zone over by one.

Meanwhile, no Federal action is required to eliminate DST! That can happen at the state level. The only Federal requirement is that if you observe DST, then you have to use the Federal transition date/times.

Let's make standard time... ...standard.

Don't they try to do something about the time changes every year and nothing ever happens?

I thought something passed like 2 years ago to end it and nothing changed.
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LeoRavus posted...
Don't they try to do something about the time changes every year and nothing ever happens?

I thought something passed like 2 years ago to end it and nothing changed.

It passed the Senate, I believe, and never got taken up for a vote in the House. Or the other way around. Either way, it passed one and never got voted on after.
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This would mean the sun stays up to like 9 pm in the summer right and doesn't set at fucking 4 pm in the winter? If so, I'm for this.
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Gross, get rid of DST instead.
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HashtagSEP posted...
It passed the Senate, I believe, and never got taken up for a vote in the House. Or the other way around. Either way, it passed one and never got voted on after.
Yeah I think it came out that it was unanimously approved and then it came out they actually didn't know what they were voting for. It's reassuring that lawmakers are just winging it.
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You can tell its a bad bill when the dumbest senators are all signed onto it
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Miquella posted...
This would mean the sun stays up to like 9 pm in the summer right and doesn't set at fucking 4 pm in the winter? If so, I'm for this.
Yes, but it would also mean sunrise wouldn't be until like after 8 am in the winter.
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I don't care which one it is, I just want a permanent time
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The economy would probably be stronger in f they gave us an extra hour of light. People start going home when it gets dark, so having the sun go down at 4pm during holiday shopping really doesnt work
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