This is a very bad idea, they are using cameras and automatically charging people? So they arent even setting up a toll booth, it is going to be abused to exploit people and make some people pay a lot more than others. I do not like any idea where people are automatically charged fees without being notified.E-ZPass and almost every other toll system in the country has gotten rid of almost every single one of its toll booths over the past decade in favor of toll by plate through cameras.
When talking about "chaos" I think it's important not to lose touch with the reality of the situation. Is the point be safe or to feel safe?
You're worried about hotlines, when the city and state just blew $10 billion on migrants the past two years, most of who are not even eligible. And now they're begging for $15 billion because without it, they can't fix the shit that's way more important than blowing billions on random people.
The MTA is a blackhole and everybody here knows it. This is a team up between rich people from lower Manhattan, which is one of the highest concentrations of wealth on the entire planet, stupid politicians, and progressive transplants that moved here recently and never interact with people outside their bubble or from the outer boroughs.
Long Island is not part of NYC. What are you even talking about? Eastern Queens, eastern Brooklyn, northeastern Bronx, all have horribly slow ass buses or none at all without a lot of walking. That's a large part of the city, especially when you add in SI. Manhattan and western parts that are well connected are a relatively tiny portion of the city.
Ahh, yes. People only ever go to Manhattan to work. We're ignoring the 5 bridges/tunnels they've just blocked off, and the damn near spiteful way they've set up things like exiting the Queensboro or Brooklyn in certain ways or being charged for entering the zone for half a street because they've intentionally started the zone from 60th instead of 59th. Or including crossings like Pearl St. Things that affect people even going away from the CBD.
Even London ends their congestion pricing at 6:30 PM (down from 7 PM after people complained), whereas NYC is 24/7 and comes out to almost double the hours. The CBD is basically dead at night outside like 2-3 major areas. You don't need congestion pricing, even if reduced, when shit is empty. It's hard to not see this as anything but a slimy money grab.
I missed the whole topic but don't taxes already pay for roads?This is specifically to
This is specifically to
1) raise revenue for the MTA, which operates the trains, buses and subways
2) reduce congestion and incentivize people away from car travel
Honestly, I think we've seen that for many people it's about feeling safe. We make fun of it but...security theatre seems to be an important thing.There's way more crazy and aggressive people on the subways now than even a few years ago. They victimize randomly, so the random nature inherently makes it less safer.
That, I agree with. You want this pricing scheme in the mornings to disincentive people driving into Manhattan for work? I'm on board with that. But what the hell is the purpose of extending it until 9PM at night? A big part of me is pissed off because it seems as if this congestion pricing is another way to get more money out of the people who actually follow the rules because they don't actually enforce the fare rules on the buses or subways.London being free after 6 PM is at least reasonable. 9 PM and still having to cough something up all night, especially when by that time, shit is pretty much dead in the CBD outside a few major areas, is clearly just pure greed. New Yorkers just know better by now.
Results from the first TuesdayActual data from that intersection and surrounding.
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There's way more crazy and aggressive people on the subways now than even a few years ago. They victimize randomly, so the random nature inherently makes it less safer.
There's way more crazy and aggressive people on the subways now than even a few years ago. They victimize randomly, so the random nature inherently makes it less safer.
Major crime also went up by 35% during the pandemic, while the population actually fell. Things never really recovered. People try to hide or ignore this. From 2023 to 2024, there was only a 2.4% drop in major crime, and that's merely an overall 2.47% drop from 2022 to 2024. Barely anything. A B3G1 in 3 years, with an additional full year's worth of major crime, all on top of the pointless migrant crisis, and the mess of issues it has brought.
Felony assaults, which increased by 5% from 2023 to 2024, are now 44% higher than 2019. Again, the population has decreased in that time.
MmThings are less safe than before, especially in different areas of the city. It's not just about feeling less safe.
Yeah, hopefully the money being raised from this actually goes to improve their public transit system. Encouraging people to use it rather than driving is good but there's no better way of encouraging people to use public transit than to have public transit that's safe, efficient, and reliable.Ive lived in NYC my whole life and I can tell you for sure that it will not. They said this congestion pricing was to raise funds without increasing the fare, but theyre increasing the fare anyway. All of this money will be pocketed and mysteriously disappear like it always does every time the MTA gets money.
Humor me and answer a quick question.
Regardless of the jury, what is your opinion on Daniel Penny: hero or murderer?
I don't disagree that some crimes are up. It sucks and we need to get a hold on it. The cities are still safer than decades ago, but we should always want a safer city regardless.
Ive lived in NYC my whole life and I can tell you for sure that it will not. They said this congestion pricing was to raise funds without increasing the fare, but theyre increasing the fare anyway. All of this money will be pocketed and mysteriously disappear like it always does every time the MTA gets money.
Regardless of the jury, what is your opinion on Daniel Penny: hero or murderer?
Yeah meanwhile nothing happens to turnstile jumpers. f*** those guys.Didn't the cops shoot four people going after a fare jumper like three months ago?
Didn't the cops shoot four people going after a fare jumper like three months ago?Yeah and one of the people shot was another cop.
Didn't the cops shoot four people going after a fare jumper like three months ago?
Didn't the cops shoot four people going after a fare jumper like three months ago?
The fare jumper pulled a knife and went after the cops.
Was there video or body cam footage released that shows what happened?Yeah it was released. The guy lunges at the cop, he uses stun gun, and then pulls out the pistol
I want one thing to be done: Barriers! There is no reason the wealthiest city in the world should not have barriers installed in the subway stations to prevent people from being pushed onto the tracks. More money should be spent on trying to protect innocent people from getting pushed seeing as how it doesn't happen anywhere else in the worldI agree with you on putting up barriers to stop people being pushed/falling onto the tracks. But "wealthiest city in the world" is only because of the amount of wealthy people living there. Not that the city itself has more money to spend on infrastructure. Those millionaires and billionaires aren't going to fund public transportation unfortunately.
But "wealthiest city in the world" is only because of the amount of wealthy people living there. Not that the city itself has more money to spend on infrastructure. Those millionaires and billionaires aren't going to fund public transportation unfortunately.
I want one thing to be done: Barriers! There is no reason the wealthiest city in the world should not have barriers installed in the subway stations to prevent people from being pushed onto the tracks. More money should be spent on trying to protect innocent people from getting pushed seeing as how it doesn't happen anywhere else in the world
Yeah meanwhile nothing happens to turnstile jumpers. Fuck those guys.
Can't we say neither? He's not a hero, but neither is he a murderer who walked onto that subway with the intention of ending anyone's life.
The MTA chair urged riders to "find a way to deescalate", which...again, is some tone-deaf shit, because "trying to deescalate" that type of situation is how you end up killed.
I agree with you on putting up barriers to stop people being pushed/falling onto the tracks. But "wealthiest city in the world" is only because of the amount of wealthy people living there. Not that the city itself has more money to spend on infrastructure. Those millionaires and billionaires aren't going to fund public transportation unfortunately.
At the same time, the city caters so much to the billionaires and millionaires all the timeTrue. And unfortunately, catering to the wealthy is a problem that the US has in general. But I'm sure putting a billionaire in charge of the country is going to fix that /s
We have the least affordable housing on the planet, in large part because the millionaires and the billionaires do not want affordable housing developments, so we instead let billionaire developers build luxury condos and rental buildings and make more money, because nothing solves a housing affordability crisis like putting more money into the hands of landlords
Not building is a decision NY makes. And it's a choice the West Coast makes. Lack of housing is a running joke there and maybe we should see Republicans run for some more stuff in Californian cities so Democrats would feel some pressure to actually do their jobs thereNo thanks, keep New York and California out of Republican hands as much as possible. Democrats have tried to push things through, but Republicans often oppose it.
True. And unfortunately, catering to the wealthy is a problem that the US has in general. But I'm sure putting a billionaire in charge of the country is going to fix that /s
No thanks, keep New York and California out of Republican hands as much as possible. Democrats have tried to push things through, but Republicans often oppose it.
I truly have no idea what you are complaining about.That's ok, neither does he.
yeah, the issue is the city has gone "we can't do anything." Even those frequently arrested just get released until the behavior escalates to assaults.
It's not fair to ask people to tolerate abusive behavior and threats on subways. They're not shelters, places for episodes, anything of the sort. And yeah, a lot of times these people are harmless, but you can't know for sure.
Both the left and right are exaggerating how dangerous New York is, but "just don't take kids on the Subway" is.....a losing argument. it's a very annoying conversation because conservatives on social media post like stepping foot in a city will get you murdered (not true, obviously), but then there's the leftist "actually homeless people threatening to kill you is fine, maybe good."
Not building is a decision NY makes. And it's a choice the West Coast makes. Lack of housing is a running joke there and maybe we should see Republicans run for some more stuff in Californian cities so Democrats would feel some pressure to actually do their jobs there
No thanks, keep New York and California out of Republican hands as much as possible. Democrats have tried to push things through, but Republicans often oppose it.
What Republicans are blocking things in NYC or LA?Sorry that was my fault for combining thoughts. I want to keep Republicans out of NYC and LA because of what they've been blocking on the federal level (like the contraceptive protection). Not sure about NYC, but Democrats have the supermajority right now in CA, so no idea why they aren't getting more done.
Sorry that was my fault for combining thoughts. I want to keep Republicans out of NYC and LA because of what they've been blocking on the federal level (like the contraceptive protection). Not sure about NYC, but Democrats have the supermajority right now in CA, so no idea why they aren't getting more done.
Sorry that was my fault for combining thoughts. I want to keep Republicans out of NYC and LA because of what they've been blocking on the federal level (like the contraceptive protection). Not sure about NYC, but Democrats have the supermajority right now in CA, so no idea why they aren't getting more done.
I'm not proposing giving them power at the state level, but a lot of cities are hotbeds of corruption and inefficiency and they get super complacent and don't need to bother to actually do any improvements for lives.
The inability of cities to actual build things fast and cheaply, mainly housing and public transportation, is going to be the death of the Democratic controlled cities
He's not a hero, but neither is he a murderer who walked onto that subway with the intention of ending anyone's life.
then there's the leftist "actually homeless people threatening to kill you is fine, maybe good."
The guy
I don't think he had intent , either. But he sure felt comfortable murdering him once he got his arms around the unarmed guy's neck, knowing how he was applying the technique he was trained to apply.
Please fuck off with this nonsense. This is the falsest of false dichotomies the way you're painting the debate.
Jordan Neely.
You can remember his rap sheet but not his name?
That feels telling.
You can remember his rap sheet but not his name?
Neely isn't a villain. He was a mentally ill man who needed help. One can understand that while thinking Penny isn't guilty of murder
I live in Manhattan. SSj4 is right that it's a pain to travel between Brooklyn and Queens, but there are the G, L, J, and M subway lines.
I'm still not sure what you are supposed to do with one of these guys.
Democrats have run NYC for ten year
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7d8168c6.jpgthats a wild post lmao
Remember, thinking that cities should only be for those tough enough, is absolutely stupid and the wrong way to think about safety and services
Start with not murdering them, or thinking that murdering them is an acceptable solution to the problem "because democrats!" maybe?
Neely's death is absolutely a tragedy, but acting like nobody should do anything when an unhinged man on the Subway is lunging at mothers with their kids after screaming "I will kill" is not doing people any favors. And this was from witness testimony at the trial. Even if Penny had been convicted, should he have gotten any jailtime?
thats a wild post lmao
You should in fact not need to be tough to live a peaceful life in the largest city in the country.
Who said that killing them is an acceptable solution?
Me: "Daniel Neely was murdered on the subway for being mentally ill."Tbf, I think most people will say that he was put into the fight because he was being threatening and confrontational. Not because he was mentally ill.
You said it was hard to justify jailing Neely's murderer because "the existing solution to handling mentally ill individuals is to...do nothing and just let them be them." That sets up the standard that it is okay to kill mentally ill people because you see no other course of action available.
Jordan Neely was provided with help in a facility to assist him and he left it. He was too mentally ill to be able to receive help. He needed to be forcibly confined and treated until he was well enough, but this is something the NCLU and other Leftists groups have explicitly fought to ever keep this from happening.
The way I've read the conversation follows like this:
Me: "Daniel Neely was murdered on the subway for being mentally ill."
You and Lightsnake: "Are supposed to do nothing? Leave them alone?"
You've established a binary with your rhetoric that the only course of action with mentally ill people is kill them or do nothing at all.
You said it was hard to justify jailing Neely's murderer because "the existing solution to handling mentally ill individuals is to...do nothing and just let them be them." That sets up the standard that it is okay to kill mentally ill people because you see no other course of action available.
You're shrugging and going that you guess we don't have better options, so we shouldn't punish someone for taking the man's life, and thus implicitly endorsing open season on the mentally ill for your own sense of safety and comfort.
Are you unaware this is how you sound?
You've established a binary with your rhetoric that the only course of action with mentally ill people is kill them or do nothing at all.
I don't disagree that some crimes are up. It sucks and we need to get a hold on it. The cities are still safer than decades ago, but we should always want a safer city regardless.I get where you're coming from, but people don't really give a shit how something was worse decades ago. It's kind of irrelevant. When you achieve something good, and it slips up, especially because of bad policies, people are gonna be pissed off, especially when it was that bad in the past. Very simple stuff.
I do think there's a level of it that is also the aesthetic of safety-ness as well, that could be low hanging fruit in helping change people's perceptions.
The guy that Daniel Penny killed had been arrested 42 times, including for assault. From 2019-2021, he was involved in 3 unprovoked assaults on women in the subway. I do not know what the right answer is, but telling citizens to "de-escalate" when the other person assaults them without provocation is some tone-deaf shit. There has to come a point where the rights of the many should take precedence.It's kind of wild that people are mad that Trump, who got a non-violent Class E felony, didn't go to jail in NYC because he's rich, when it was because barely anybody would for that in NYC nowadays. Jordan Neely broke a 67 year old woman's face, while having all those arrests, and unprovoked attacks on other women, as well as an attempted kidnapping of a little girl.
Conservatives take it too far, and liberals don't go far enough. The problem is, the purported liberals control the big cities, which is why a lot of big cities saw a hard right-ward shift this past election. Trump did not win NYC, but he won over low-income boroughs like the Bronx by margins not seen since Reagan's time, and that's because even lower-income individuals of color are fucking tired of this bullshithttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cdac2760.jpg