Europe Quietly Prepares for World War III

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With warnings swirling over a possible war with Russia in a matter of years, NATO's European members have already started laying the groundwork for defenses, should Russian troops set foot on alliance soil.
"Russia is preparing for a war with the West," Bruno Kahl, the head of Germany's foreign intelligence service, said in late November.
But it's not likely to be a large-scale attack into NATO territory, the intelligence chief warned. Moscow could opt for a limited incursion or upping its hybrid warfare tactics to probe the alliance's conviction, Kahl said.
NATO is trying to prepare for both scenarios: an all-out war, and less obvious techniques designed to undermine stability in the alliance's member countries.

"There are multiple options for Russia to test the cohesion of the alliance," including limited land grabs, the former head of NATO's Multinational Corps Northeast based in northwest Poland, Lieutenant General Jrgen-Joachim von Sandrart, told Newsweek just before leaving his post in November.
The urgency is now obvious from senior military and political officials. Andrius Kubilius, the European Union's commissioner for defense, said in September that defense ministers and NATO commanders "agree that [Russian President] Vladimir Putin could be ready for confrontation with NATO and the EU in six to eight years."
Estonia's foreign intelligence service warned in February NATO "could face a Soviet-style mass army in the next decade" if Russia successfully reforms its military. The army would be "technologically inferior" to NATO forces in areas other than electronic warfare and long-range strikes, the service said, but its "military potential would be significant."
"If we take these assessments seriously, then that is the time for us to properly prepare, and it is a short one," Kubilius, a former Lithuanian prime minister, told the Reuters news agency. "This means we have to take quick decisions, and ambitious decisions."
The main catalyst is Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, prompting Sweden and Finland to abandon their long-held policies of non-alignment and join NATO, lengthening Russia's border with the alliance.

Across Europe, NATO is now battling to raise defense spending up and beyond the two percent of GDP requestedbut not enforcedby the alliance. Many countries have historically fallen far short of this benchmark in the decades since the end of the Cold War.
But times are changing. European nations have pledged to meet or exceed the target, and officials and experts broadly expect the incoming administration of President-elect Donald Trump to double down on pressure on Europe to increase military spending further.
The countries snaking along NATO's eastern flank are way ahead. How quickly Europe will be able to pull up spending and prop up the companies producing more equipment, however, remains to be seen. NATO's top military official, Admiral Rob Bauer, said in late last November that businesses "need to be prepared for a wartime scenario and adjust their production and distribution lines accordingly."
"While it may be the military who wins battles, it's the economies that win wars." Bauer said.
Already, there are visible signs of preparations across Europe, particularly striking in the countries closest to Russia's borders.
Serbian President Aleksandar Vui said in July that NATO was "not ready now" for a possible war with Russia but that they "will be ready" in the future.
"They are already preparing for a conflict with the Russian Federation and are preparing much faster than some people would like to see, in every sense," he told Serbian television, in remarks reported by Russian state media.
"We know this from military preparations. We know how they are being conducted. And I want to tell you, they are preparing for a military conflict," Vui said.
Germany has started putting together plans for how Berlin would would shield important buildings and installations in the event of an attack, and how Germany would be a conduit for hundreds of thousands of soldiers heading further east in Europe, the German daily newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung , reported in November.
The first draft of the strategy paper, labeled "Operationsplan Deutschland," is 1,000 pages long, the newspaper reported.
Baltic Defense Line
The three Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia signed an agreement back in January this year to beef up protection along their land borders with Russia and Belarus.
Belarus is a key Russian ally, and the Kremlin used Belarusian territory to launch the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. The country also links Russia with its isolated Kaliningrad exclave, sandwiched between NATO members Poland and Lithuania.
"We are undertaking this effort so that the people of Estonia can feel safe, but if the slightest risk emerged, we would be ready for various developments more promptly," said Estonia's defense minister, Hanno Pevkur.
Tallinn said there would be a "network of bunkers, support points and distribution lines" along the border.
Lithuania's defense ministry said in early September that it had "set up a blockade" on and near the bridge in Panemun, the Lithuanian border settlement that connects the NATO country with Kaliningrad.
Vilnius said it had set up mines, and other defenses, like dragon's teeth, against tanks and armored vehicles.
Dragon's teeth are concrete blocks used to halt tank advances and prevent mechanized infantry from gaining territory. This type of anti-tank fortification has littered Ukraine.
"This is a precautionary step to ensure more effective defense," Lithuania's government said.
Lithuania's neighbor to the north, Latvia, has put similar defenses in place. The Latvian government has said around 303 million ($318 million) will be funneled into building up defenses on its eastern border with Russia over five years. There will be outposts for support personnel, reinforced structures, anti-tank trenches and storage dumps for ammunition and mines, Riga said.
"We will be able to slow down and block the movement of potential aggressors more efficiently," Latvian Defense Minister Andris Sprds said in a statement in January.
In July, Riga said that obstacles designed to hamper military movements were now being "procured and transported to temporary storage areas near Latvia's eastern border." Russia lies to the east of Latvia.
Estonia's ERR broadcaster reported in October that the Latvian military was testing barriers making up the Baltic Defense Line, including dragon's teeth.
Kaspars Lazdin, from the Latvian armed forces, said the military had used a T-55 tank to "simulate conditions similar to those our eastern neighbors might present." The T-55 is a Soviet-era main battle tank.
"The anti-tank barriers held up well," Lazdin told the broadcaster, adding: "The concrete blocks successfully protected people and infrastructure from direct fire."
Further to the south, staring down Kaliningrad and Belarus, Poland has started construction of what it has called its "East Shield," costing over $2.5 billion and described by Warsaw as "the largest operation to strengthen Poland's eastern border, Nato's eastern flank, since 1945."

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk visited the Polish border with Kaliningrad over the weekend to inspect fortifications being built on Warsaw's territory.

"Poland's investments have been a mix of building up both defensive capabilities and offensive capabilities, designed to deter Russia by convincing them that any attack would fail to achieve its objectives and come at very high cost," said William Freer, a research fellow in national security at the U.K.-based think tank, the Council on Geostrategy.

"Poland's 'East Shield' fortifications build on the lessons of the fighting in Ukraine, which have shown how hard it is to push through heavily entrenched defenders," Freer told Newsweek. "In combination with traditional fortifications such as dragon's teeth, East Shield will make use of a suite of electronic warfare and surveillance systems."

Mass Evacuation Plans

The preparations aren't just military, they're civil, too. In mid-November, NATO's newest member, Sweden, published a brochure it said helped the country's residents to "learn how to prepare for, and act, in case of crisis or war." The pamphlet outlines what a heightened state of alert would mean, how each inhabitant would pitch in to a war-time effort, and what different sirens sound like.

"Military threat levels are increasing," the leaflet warns the Scandinavian country's citizens. "We must be prepared for the worst-case scenarioan armed attack on Sweden."

Norway, too, has published a leaflet on how to deal with "extreme weather, pandemics, accidents, sabotageand in the worst case acts of war."

Finland has publicly-available guides on how it prepares for "the worst possible threat, war."

In the Baltics, Agn Bilotait, Lithuania's interior minister, said in September that each of the country's local authorities had to quickly draw up evacuation plans that are "ready" to be put in motion.

"It is important to note that we are at the forefront, so today, civil defense has become a priority on our agenda," Bilotait said. The Lithuanian minister has urged neighbouring countries to do the same.

Latvian Interior Minister Rihards Kozlovskis said in September that the Baltic state had roughly 5,000 underground buildings that Riga hoped to have "ready for use as shelters by November."

Bilotait said in October that Vilnius would spend 12 billion in 2025 to install and upgrade shelters.

"If necessary, we could shelter two cities like Vilnius underground," Vilnius Mayor Valdas Benkunskas said in remarks reported by domestic media.

Germany's government has also said it is putting together a list of bomb shelters that will be available for citizens to see where their closest shelter is.

Air Defences

In January, the Baltic states also stressed the need they felt to build up NATO air defenses on the eastern flank, according to a Latvian government readout.

Hungary's defense minister, Kristof Szalay-Bobrovniczky, said in November that Budapest will place an air defense system in the northeastern region of the country.

"We still trust that there will be peace as soon as possible, through diplomacy instead of a military solution," Szalay-Bobrovniczky said in a video address. "However, to prepare for all possibilities, I ordered the recently purchased air control and air defense systems and the capabilities built on them to be installed in the northeast."

Europe has a chronic shortage of air defenses, although military and political officials have swerved providing specifics.

East Versus West

While Poland, the Baltic states, Finland and Sweden, as well as Romania, which borders western Ukraine, have significantly upped defense investment, western Europe is lagging behind.

"It is no coincidence that the greatest increases in defense spending in NATO are coming from those closest to Russia," Freer said. "Behind NATO's eastern flank, other allies are acting with less urgency and have proven far less willing to increase investment at the same level."

Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, the head of the British armed forces, conceded in November that the U.K. was in a "slightly weaker" position than many countries closer to Russian soil.

"We don't have some of the civil aspects or planning aspects that other countries within NATO have as part of their traditions," Radakin said.

The U.K. has committed to increasing defense spending to 2.5 percent of GDP. France is on course to hit the NATO target of 2 percent this year, as is Germany.

Estonia's defense spending is hovering at around 3.4 percent of its GDP, with plans to hike this to 3.7 percent by 2026. Lithuania said in March it would raise defense spending to 3 percent from 2025, and its defense minister has floated hitting 4 percent, to finance new long-range air defenses and other equipment. Poland has said it will spend 5 percent of its GDP on the military in 2025.

Western European countries are taking "some meaningful steps," Freer added. Countries in the alliance are looking at how to improve NATO's integrated air and missile defense capabilities, pulling lessons from Russia's hammering of Ukraine.
Okay.
DodogamaRayBrst posted...
Okay.

You read all that in a minute? And if you didn't you really really really had to have a response but had no idea what to say but you really needed to reply and so you said ok?
I read it
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Europe has a bigger population than the US and almost as much money. If they wanted to they could go it alone without the US. Question is how many nations would flip to Putin's side. Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden are basically already there.
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Putin wants all of Europe. He won't stop til he conquers the UK and Ireland. And the Europeans can't count on America to help them. They have to save themselves. If Ukraine falls, I think they need to take off the kid gloves. I say the moment Ukraine falls (if it happens) they should just all form a giant invasion alliance and take the fight to Russia before Putin even knows what's going on
Hard to really care about WW3 in five years when there's a deadly Bird Flu pandemic potentially spawning and set to start ravaging the world within the next 12 months TBH.

Besides this is largely sensational. The reality is Putin is going to be licking his military wounds for a good few years whenever Ukraine resolves and he won't be in any condition to take on NATO regardless of the US being jerks (and frankly in the long term it's probably better for the world if it stops relying on such a dangerous and self-absorbed nation anyway).
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M1Astray posted...
Hard to really care about WW3 in five years when there's a deadly Bird Flu pandemic potentially spawning and set to start ravaging the world within the next 12 months
wat?
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Zikten posted...
Putin wants all of Europe. He won't stop til he conquers the UK and Ireland. And the Europeans can't count on America to help them. They have to save themselves. If Ukraine falls, I think they need to take off the kid gloves. I say the moment Ukraine falls (if it happens) they should just all form a giant invasion alliance and take the fight to Russia before Putin even knows what's going on
There is the possibility that Trump would align USA with Russia
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M1Astray posted...
Besides this is largely sensational.
It's very funny that you typed this sentence immediately after the previous one where you lamented how the world was about to be bird flu'd to death
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Russia doesn't have the ability at the moment to invade the rest of Europe without it being a complete disaster. They are bogged down in Ukraine and are currently having issues in Syria because they are too overstretched.

That said, it would be wise for Europe to strengthen its defenses and not having to rely on the US.

solosnake posted...
wat?

There is the potential for the current bird flu to mutate in a super deadly virus. That said, nothing is guaranteed. There were huge bird flu scares 20 years ago and nothing came out them.
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solosnake posted...
wat?
The CDC has confirmed a human infection with avian influenza A(H5N1 bird flu) in a child in California. This is the first reported avian influenza H5 virus infection in a child in the United States. Consistent with previously identified human cases in the United States, the child reportedly experienced mild symptoms and received flu antivirals.
There were low levels of viral material detected in the initial specimen collected, and a follow up testing of the child several days later was negative for H5 bird flu but was positive for other common respiratory viruses. The child is recovering from their illness. An investigation by the CDPH into the child's possible H5N1 exposure is ongoing.
Putin doesn't want to invade the UK and Ireland.

He wants Great Power influence and consolidation of his power through nationalist narratives of the Russian Empire.
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sfcalimari posted...
Europe has a bigger population than the US and almost as much money. If they wanted to they could go it alone without the US. Question is how many nations would flip to Putin's side. Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden are basically already there.
Not entirely sure if you mean the Netherlands is about ready to flip to Russia's side or for WW3, but if you meant the former, that's a hard no.

Some of the political parties here are openly discussing sending Dutch troops to Ukraine, and the Dutch people are being bled dry for tax money to send stuff over there.

From what it seems by talking to people around me, most seems to be ok with tbat
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I don't believe there's a chance for another global pandemic, not so soon after Covid, people are a bit more ready, hopefully.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
It's very funny that you typed this sentence immediately after the previous one where you lamented how the world was about to be bird flu'd to death
I said potential, not certainty. The current pandemic of bird flu has been worrying parts of the medical field for a while now and has the potential to develop into a human-to-human strain.

That doesn't mean it will. Just that it's currently being watched and the threat is real enough that there's concern.
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TetsuoS2 posted...
I don't believe there's a chance for another global pandemic, not so soon after Covid, people are a bit more ready, hopefully.
seriously? You must be joking
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TetsuoS2 posted...
I don't believe there's a chance for another global pandemic, not so soon after Covid, people are a bit more ready, hopefully.
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Imagine we watch Ukraine get destroyed ony for Russia to attack a NATO Nation shortly afterwards.

Boy will we feel like crap letting Ukraine be destroyed, and for absolutely nothing.

This is of course ignoring the obvious , that we should not be allowing Ukraine to be destroyed period.

TetsuoS2 posted...
I don't believe there's a chance for another global pandemic, not so soon after Covid, people are a bit more ready, hopefully.
We are already at risk of two of them and Trump has not even begun to destroy the health and vaccine systems.

We will be very fortunate if we escape another Trump Term period, much more so if we escape it with only one more pandemic. ( i have a feeling we will be seeing a pandemic of pandemics under Trump, the pandemic to end all pandemics, the Ultimate Pandemic.
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note that I said global pandemic.
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haarlem1982 posted...
Not entirely sure if you mean the Netherlands is about ready to flip to Russia's side or for WW3, but if you meant the former, that's a hard no.

Some of the political parties here are openly discussing sending Dutch troops to Ukraine, and the Dutch people are being bled dry for tax money to send stuff over there.

From what it seems by talking to people around me, most seems to be ok with tbat
This is a lesson in "always pay attention to who you're talking to". The user you're responding to appears to be from the same country I am, and literally thinks our Green party (which are nothing like the US Green party; they're a legitimate party and the furthest left of any relevant party in NZ, a country where even our major "right-wing" party is left of the Democrats) are a "white supremacist alt-right party". He's likely assuming the Netherlands is about to become a Russian ally because the government isn't as far left as he'd like.
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So the thing to remember is this. Is putin possibly that dumb? Yes. Would he be succesful? Absolutely not.

Russia tried a massive combined arms assault on Ukraine with armored spearheads and airborne assaults with damn near complete aerial superiority on a large front with multiple axis of advance. Within months they were driven back with huge losses and forced to abandon an entire front and have since been doing grinding human wave assaults. This was against a smaller neighbor with far fewer troops and on paper lower levels of technology.

Against NATO? Short of Nukes Russia has no prayer of victory, and if they use nukes Russia ceases to exist because everyone will use theirs.
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sfcalimari posted...
Question is how many nations would flip to Putin's side. Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden are basically already there.

I really need to know the source of this statement.
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^In the eastern European states where the anti-Russian sentiment is much higher it's basically common opinion that both France and Germany are Putin's stooges.

solosnake posted...
There is the possibility that Trump would align USA with Russia

No there isn't.

In 2019 Trump unilaterally withdrew from the 1987 Treaty on Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces opening the door to the US launching a potential first strike on Russia, and also pulled out of the Open Skies Treaty at the same time, effectively kickstarting another arms race with Russia. Trump merely continued the US pattern of dismantling arms controls in Europe which started under George Bush while building US missile bases across Europe.

This is the context for increased militarisation and defense spending in Europe. The US is preparing for war with Russia and has been for decades. That didn't change under Trump.
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TetsuoS2 posted...
I don't believe there's a chance for another global pandemic, not so soon after Covid, people are a bit more ready, hopefully.

People said the same thing about Covid and we all know how that played out.

And no, every pandemic that may occur in the post covid era will be handled the same way, perhaps even worse. The real question is how many will suffer next time.
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Not anytime soon, but preparing is worth it.

Russia needs to be intimidated or put down.

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It's hardly quiet.

It's been brewing for decades.

Feels like it's only "quiet" if you only follow American news/interests
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