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We are in stage 3, heading into stage 4 rapidly.
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I just hope the fascist government doesn't last very long. I'd like to live to see America free again
Nope. If we are going to use paradigmatic states, then we need to talk about the prime players.

Chase JP Morgan
The defense industry
The oil industry
And The Rest of Their Ilk.

How the **** are we discussing paradigmatic states and not even mentioning the 0.01%?

Fascism comes from a crisis for the 0.01%. Fascism is an uber risk for the 0.01%. They are more afraid of a worker's welfare state than they are of letting Trump and Musk loose on America.

Let me back this up. A Hitler went to jail and was disqualified from ever running for a seat in the Reichstag. He got pardoned and reinstated. It is now known that the big money in Germany were each and everyone making a deal with A Hitler in private. This was before the riots and fires.
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CobraGT posted...
Nope. If we are going to use paradigmatic states, then we need to talk about the prime players.

Chase JP Morgan
The defense industry
The oil industry
And The Rest of Their Ilk.

How the **** are we discussing paradigmatic states and not even mentioning the 0.01%?

Fascism comes from a crisis for the 0.01%. Fascism is an uber risk for the 0.01%. They are more afraid of a worker's welfare state than they are of letting Trump and Musk loose on America.

Let me back this up. A Hitler went to jail and was disqualified from ever running for a seat in the Reichstag. He got pardoned and reinstated. It is now known that the big money in Germany were each and everyone making a deal with A Hitler in private. This was before the riots and fires.

Because the wealthy overwhelmingly backed Harris (her best demographic was people making over $200,000 a year). She had about twice as many billionaire backers, raised three times as much money, had more PACs backing her, had the CEO of Goldman Sachs publicly say her winning was better for the economy. Not sure what needs to happen to make people realize this is a culture war and that the base of the right is actually the working class.
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Zikten posted...
I just hope the fascist government doesn't last very long. I'd like to live to see America free again
If Trump goes through with all the shit he's threatening, it's gonna take multiple decades to fix everything, and that's assuming society stops it's current shift rightwards after he's gone.
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ssjevot posted...
Because the wealthy overwhelmingly backed Harris (her best demographic was people making over $200,000 a year). She had about twice as many billionaire backers, raised three times as much money, had more PACs backing her, had the CEO of Goldman Sachs publicly say her winning was better for the economy. Not sure what needs to happen to make people realize this is a culture war and that the base of the right is actually the working class.

Wealthy? Earn $200,000 a year? My fellow human, Chase JP Morgan and its ilk are in a different class. Ten years ago 0.1% - not 1/100 but 1/1000 of all [humans + bots + corporations + cartels + conglomerates] own 99+/100 of the wealth. (It is 1/10,000 now that own 99+/100. Partly there is more wealth and mostly they fight tooth and nail. Most of us do not own our factories, ranches, homes and cars. The loan companies do.)

You know this. You know that the media did not back ,la . You know that the owners of the media did not back ,la . You know that First Buddy Elon(wealthiest person) is nothing next to Chase JP Morgan.

I hope you know this. Regardless of whether you know this

Historians are over the Hitler-was-charismatic garbage that was used to obsfucate the narrative. (Not saying Hitler wasn't). Historians are saying the movers and shakers all talked with Hitler before it went down.
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Again, more billionaires were backing Harris, she had more PACs spending for her, and she raised far more money. We don't have an exit poll for billionaires because there aren't enough to do that, but she was obviously the favored candidate of the wealthy.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/
kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-
bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/11/outside-spending-on-2024
-elections-shatters-records-fueled-by-billion-dollar-dark-money-infusion/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/11/04/trump-vs-harris-
fundraising-race-harris-outraised-trump-3-to-1-with-last-pre-election-report/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust

I am going to try ellaborating in a different way. (btw The POWEFUL supported both candidates)

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The list goes on. And on. And on
I am trying to get across to you that fascism is just a business deal for the likes of Chase JP Morgan Bank.
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Okay, have fun with your conspiracy.
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I take comment to indicate that insisting that the wealthiest and most powerful conglomerates backed Trump is a conspiracy theory in the mind of previous poster.
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ssjevot posted...
Okay, have fun with your conspiracy.
It's not a conspiracy at all. A significant fraction of the US ruling class is straight-up fascist and sees Trump as nothing but a more useful way to motivate the GOP base than the likes of Jeb!.

Precisely how some German industrialists worked with Hitler back in the day.

And LOL at $200K and up incomes being any kind of measure of being in the ruling class.
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EPR-radar posted...
It's not a conspiracy at all. A significant fraction of the US ruling class is straight-up fascist and sees Trump as nothing but a more useful way to motivate the GOP base than the likes of Jeb!.

Precisely how some German industrialists worked with Hitler back in the day.

And LOL at $200K and up incomes being any kind of measure of being in the ruling class.

Yeah see how you ignore the data? That's what makes it a conspiracy. She had more billionaires and more money from the wealthy through her PACs and campaign. Trump was picked by the working class and people are in denial about it and making up excuses rather than facing the reality.

Over $200,000 is the highest bracket in exit polls, but the more money you made the more likely you were to vote for Harris. That's the data. Yes many rich support Trump and many poor supported Harris, but the data is that most rich wanted Harris and there weren't enough of them to overcome the working class. But you guys just go on and on about how this is a big conspiracy by the rich and not something the working class literally voted for despite it being against their own interests because the Harris campaign could not appeal to them.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust

From this list just search on 1933

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Politically, the company leaders were linked to the rising Nazi Party; an aircraft was made available to Adolf Hitler for his campaign for the 1932 presidential election free of any charge. The Nazi party used footage of those flights for their propaganda efforts and gained an advantage in being able to hold events featuring Hitler in different places in far quicker succession than other parties which relied largely on rail transport. Erhard Milch, who had served as head of the airline since 1926, was appointed by Hermann Gring to be head of the Aviation Ministry when Hitler came to power in 1933;[55] Milch had been a member of the Nazi party since 1929, and was later convicted of war crimes.[56][57] According to a leading scholar of the history of German aviation, from this point, "Lufthansa served as a front organization for armament, which took place secretly until 1935 - it was an air force in disguise."[55] The historian Norman Longmate reported that during its peacetime flights in the 1930s, the airline had secretly photographed the entire British coastline as preparation for a possible invasion.[58] During World War II, Deutsche Luft Hansa employed more than 10,000 forced laborers, including many children, from occupied countries; forced Jewish labor was particularly used from 1940 to 1942.[59][60][61] Forced laborers were used to install and maintain radar systems and to assemble, repair, and maintain aircraft, including military aircraft.[62][61] Forced laborers were lodged in barracks run by Luft Hansa on the Tempelhof site and elsewhere in Berlin were surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by authorities with machine guns; sanitation in these camps, was poor, as was the level of medical care and nutrition.[62][61] In 2012, a team of archaeologists excavated the site of the camp run by Luft Hansa on Tempelhof airport.[62]
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From Wikipedia. Right at the start Hitler was backed by powerful conglomerates like Lufthansa. Stick your head in ground and pretend Trump's media appeal is mystique
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ssjevot posted...
Yeah see how you ignore the data? That's what makes it a conspiracy. She had more billionaires and more money from the wealthy through her PACs and campaign. Trump was picked by the working class and people are in denial about it and making up excuses rather than facing the reality.

Over $200,000 is the highest bracket in exit polls, but the more money you made the more likely you were to vote for Harris. That's the data. Yes many rich support Trump and many poor supported Harris, but the data is that most rich wanted Harris and there weren't enough of them to overcome the working class. But you guys just go on and on about how this is a big conspiracy by the rich and not something the working class literally voted for despite it being against their own interests because the Harris campaign could not appeal to them.
It's amazing how blinkered this analysis is. Here are two of the most blatant flaws:

1) Myopic focus on "data" that doesn't account for the usual ocean of GOP dark money -- sure the GOP itself may have been cash strapped because Trump was using it as his legal defense fund, but that just reinforced the existing preference for the GOP to fund itself via dark money, PACs etc.

2) Said data does not even attempt to account for the GOP's media machine -- not only do Fox News etc. pump out GOP propaganda all day, every day, the mainstream media is already ready to help Republicans with endless variations on the great both-sides lie. E.g., it is estimated that in 2016 Trump got $ billions in free air time from the mainstream media, and nothing relevant has changed since then.

The working class didn't vote to impoverish themselves because that's what they want. Instead, they were propagandized to do that, and that propaganda machine is the creation of the fascist fraction of the ruling class.
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hivebent4life posted...
We are in stage 3, heading into stage 4 rapidly.

This but I doubt it'll ever get to stage 5. I'm just curious of everything I'm reading...what if it were the dawn of a blue executive, judicial, and legislative monopoly? Would the media be spouting that we would be headed to socialism? Or would they be patting themselves on the back still thinking it's a democracy?

Whatever we're heading to...it was voted democratically by the people. Wasn't it?
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SMT_Masochist posted...
This but I doubt it'll ever get to stage 5. I'm just curious of everything I'm reading...what if it were the dawn of a blue executive, judicial, and legislative monopoly? Would the media be spouting that we would be headed to socialism? Or would they be patting themselves on the back still thinking it's a democracy?

Whatever we're heading to...it was voted democratically by the people. Wasn't it?

Bushs first 6 years and Trumps first 2 saw Republicans in charge of exec, judicial, and both chambers of Congress. One party having a lot of power doesnt make us not a democracy. Not a democracy is what occurs when the people lose the right to remove them. You saw what happened in 2020; theyre not going to be calmer next time.
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EPR-radar posted...


1) Myopic focus on "data" that doesn't account for the usual ocean of GOP dark money -- sure the GOP itself may have been cash strapped because Trump was using it as his legal defense fund, but that just reinforced the existing preference for the GOP to fund itself via dark money, PACs etc.

Harris had more money spent by PACs. More billionaires supported Harris. You keep relying on a conspiracy theory and then claiming my analysis is bad because it uses actual data. Believe in a conspiracy theory if you want, but it's literally a conspiracy theory.

EPR-radar posted...

2) Said data does not even attempt to account for the GOP's media machine -- not only do Fox News etc. pump out GOP propaganda all day, every day, the mainstream media is already ready to help Republicans with endless variations on the great both-sides lie. E.g., it is estimated that in 2016 Trump got $ billions in free air time from the mainstream media, and nothing relevant has changed since then.

The working class didn't vote to impoverish themselves because that's what they want. Instead, they were propagandized to do that, and that propaganda machine is the creation of the fascist fraction of the ruling class.

They voted for Trump because the voting public has always been ignorant and not capable of rational decision making. Trump ran an effective campaign to convince them he would make things better and Harris was associated with values out of touch with what the working class wants (you think the working class pushed for the corporate DEI/woke/whatever you want to call it that all these people rage about blindly?). As long as people keep trying to come up with ridiculous conspiracies and excuses there is no chance to win. There isn't a money problem. There is a messaging problem. The richer and more educated base of the Democrats can't buy the voters loyalty. That's what the data shows. So stop whining about money when the problem is the messaging.
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