We need to start pushing in Dems like AOC

And we need to push hard. I don't think the establishment Dems learned anything, and will continue using strategies that aren't working. Hell, the only time I've ever seen them fight hard, was when they were pushing out Progressives. We now know the depths of American stupidity, so we need to start capitalizing on that.

I mean, if I get an AOC in my district sure. However, none of the Dem candidates in my area are anything like her, nor are they Progressive.

We sent Maxwell Frost to Congress.

I'll be honest. It's going to be be an uphill battle. The establishment Dems are going to try to keep anyone remotely progressive away, while Republicans are going to demonize them as much as possible. But if the Progressives can get the attention of the average American voter, and keep their attention, this country has a chance.

It's more that the entirety of our government needs to have a clean sweep.

pazzy posted...

It's more that the entirety of our government needs to have a clean sweep.

True, but short of a genocide of our most corrupt leaders, all manner of fixes will take many years.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

And we need to push hard. I don't think the establishment Dems learned anything, and will continue using strategies that aren't working. Hell, the only time I've ever seen them fight hard, was when they were pushing out Progressives. We now know the depths of American stupidity, so we need to start capitalizing on that.

AOC is a fringe candidate who can only win in a heavily blue area. If you tried to push more candidates like her, you'd see a red tsunami as Republicans would claim everything except the most liberal bastions.

To put it in perspective, AOC is basically the liberal version of MTG.

Yeah, I don't see an AOC presidency happening any time soon.

Nah. We need more like Tlaib and Bush.

If you wanna lose again sure

Destroying AOC would let the fake progressive grifter class finally platinum the game.

AOC will never win a presidential election. Straight up. She has too much baggage from how far the Reps have been dragging her through the mud.

The Dems best shot would be a relatively "new" unknown that quietly gets good results in the background and then gets put on-stage right in the run ups for election season. Someone with no scandals (and no "scandals" either), good results, that's relatively young (no one 50+, and I'd say 45+ is pushing it tbh), with some genuine charisma, and knows how to communicate in simple and clear terms without coming off condescending, AND who will unequivocally say that they aren't aiming for bipartisanship because republican politicians (key word to always emphasize, POLITICIANS) always make shit worse for their voters and everyone else.

Oh and how did I forget. They need to push that they're trying to benefit the common person above all else. "You and your neighbor" and all that. They cannot say shit to imply that things are alright as they are, or that they'll be better down the line, or that they're going back to the status quo, or any of that shit that makes people go "whatever you're just another flavor of the same shit pile".

Does this person currently exist in the system? Unlikely. Can someone be trained into this position within the next 4-8 years if they start RIGHT NOW? Mildly possible.

But realistically, we're fucked.

AOC and Bernie should just break away and start a third party tbh.

Oh what's that you say, the chances of a third party achieving much are fuck all? Still more than the chance of the existing Democrat party becoming more worthwhile than at best "at least they're not Republicans".

Trumble posted...

AOC and Bernie should just break away and start a third party tbh.

Oh what's that you say, the chances of a third party achieving much are fuck all? Still more than the chance of the existing Democrat party becoming more worthwhile than at best "at least they're not Republicans".

*looks into the camera* This person is serious...

Count_Drachma posted...

AOC is a fringe candidate who can only win in a heavily blue area. If you tried to push more candidates like her, you'd see a red tsunami as Republicans would claim everything except the most liberal bastions.

To put it in perspective, AOC is basically the liberal version of MTG.

People get mad about this comparison but in terms of raw numbers it's accurate. AOC is hated both nationwide and statewide, she's only actually liked in her district and online. Just like MTG. There's no broad appeal.

Going in hated from the start just puts you in a Hillary position where literally anything can blow up your campaign.

There needs to be a progressive who plays well with the general public and swing states (i.e. isn't extremely socially liberal) while still being able to slip by in a primary, unfortunately it's way harder to win Dem. primaries as a non-establishment pick than GOP primaries.

I don't think she has a chance. She did notably worse than Harris in her own very blue district this election (still got 69% of the vote, but Harris was 82%).

I think people are missing the point. Her positions aren't what make AOC stand out, it's her outreach and forward-thinking strategy. In districts that aren't as willing to accept progressive policies, they still need candidates that try to actually connect with people and set themselves apart from losing approaches.

ssjevot posted...

I don't think she has a chance. She did notably worse than Harris in her own very blue district this election (still got 69% of the vote, but Harris was 82%).

Where did you find district by district presidential results?

HornyLevel posted...

Where did you find district by district presidential results?

https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/

I think I might have clicked on the wrong one though. It might actually be 73% for Harris.

I don't think president is the most important role to get a progressive candidate in.

I think it's more important and impactful getting progressives into congress as it's an easier fight on the ballot.

AoC and Bernie simply do not have the mass appeal to win president and it doesn't matter how progressive the candidate is if they can win the country over. Personally I believe AoC and Bernie will likely be more impactful in congress than president anyways.

Tmaster148 posted...

I don't think president is the most important role to get a progressive candidate in.

I think it's more important and impactful getting progressives into congress as it's an easier fight on the ballot.

AoC and Bernie simply do not have the mass appeal to win president and it doesn't matter how progressive the candidate is if they can win the country over. Personally I believe AoC and Bernie will likely be more impactful in congress than president anyways.

Bernie unlike AOC has positive national favorability and has at times polled better against Trump than Hillary and Biden, problem is he can never in life win a primary since party line voters do not prefer an independent socialist over mainstream options.

One basically needs a Bernie-like figure who's actually a Democrat and has better relationships with Democrats.

Diceheist posted...

Bernie unlike AOC has positive national favorability and has at times polled better against Trump than Hillary and Biden, problem is he can never in life win a primary since party line voters do not prefer an independent socialist over mainstream options.

Polls, the thing we've come to trust are always reliable when Trump is on the ballot.

LightSnake posted...

Polls, the thing we've come to trust are always reliable when Trump is on the ballot.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68decbc5.jpg

Just have to trust the ones with good reputations even if they tell you what you don't want to hear.

ssjevot posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/68decbc5.jpg

Just have to trust the ones with good reputations even if they tell you what you don't want to hear.

Maris, aBC, Yougov, Selzer, NYT/Siena and more were the ones giving Harris the advantages. This wasn't a case of ignoring polls, this was the majority of high ranked, solid reputation pollsters being wrong.

They need to focus on letting AOC rehabilitate her image with the mainstream public. It's not too late to undo the Republican's hatchet job on her. Hell, put AOC in charge of the Democrat's campaign strategy behind the scenes.