What do you think will wind up happening with Social Security?

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Something else , anybody know how the social security system works in like canada , uk? they have similar problems to the u.s. system? Anyway supposedly if something isn't done to change the u.s. system it will run out of money in like 15 yrs. What do you think will be done, seems like neither party wants to make big changes cause voters will get mad. What will be done, when will it be done in your opinion?
Don't know but I'm not counting on it being there. Planning for my retirement assuming I won't see a dime.
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Taxes will be raised across the board (specially middle class) and the age may be slightly elevated. Lowering the benefits will just be a disaster.
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
Taxes will be raised across the board (specially middle class) and the age may be slightly elevated. Lowering the benefits will just be a disaster.
You don't think they will lower benefits?
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The GOP will terminate it, give tax cuts to the super rich.
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Get rid of the moronic cap on contributions and you'll buy more time to fix it. No reason income earned above $168,600 isn't taxed except that it benefits the rich.
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Nothing. The can will continually be punted down the road as the new watershed voter-summoning issue until eventually enough stupid people elect enough republicans to dismantle it
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XBoner posted...
Unsure what will happen

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I don't expect to collect it. It'll be nice if still exists by the time I need it, but I don't plan on receiving it.

I am in my forties, and I make decisions assuming it will be gone.
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Crimson_Corsair posted...
Don't know but I'm not counting on it being there. Planning for my retirement assuming I won't see a dime.

Pretty much this. The baby boomer generation is pulling up ladders on us left and right. A ton of them got pensions and a ton of us won't. I've set myself behind financially because of a lot of dumb decisions I made in my 20s, but I'm working on catching up. If my plan works out, I'll be alright if social security is another ladder that gets pulled up.
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Eventually taxes will have to be raised to pay for it. My guess is that's what will happen along with maybe raising the age to qualify for it. Old people vote so any party that cuts benefits or gets rid of Social Security entirely can count on getting voted out en masse in the next election.
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Bass posted...
Get rid of the moronic cap on contributions and you'll buy more time to fix it. No reason income earned above $168,600 isn't taxed except that it benefits the rich.
Is this really true, 168? Why is that though?
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Copy how Japan handles their old people I guess?
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Kalk posted...
Copy how Japan handles their old people I guess?
How, do they though?
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It and many benefits like it are going to be removed in favor of the super rich, it's just inevitable at this point, Republicans will do it the moment they ever manage to get the white house, congress and senate again and Democrats will either do nothing or their attempts will be struck down by the right wing supreme court that's been bought by Billionaires.
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Don't be surprised if Social Security will be removed but there is a chance if Republicans get full control again, they'll criminalize being disabled for any reason or being unable to work. So a good chance people like me will be thrown in jail for simply being disabled.
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
Don't be surprised if Social Security will be removed but there is a chance if Republicans get full control again, they'll criminalize being disabled for any reason or being unable to work. So a good chance people like me will be thrown in jail for simply being disabled.

Tag tracks, you are definitely the ultimate doomerist here.
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
they'll criminalize being disabled for any reason


worse comes to worse, would have to find a job to live.

something that doesn't involve working with customers (mental disability doesn't help with that), not violent or anything. just prefer not to talk to people.

than again i might not have long for this world, either my pre-diabetes or my heart arrhythmia will get me, maybe the problems fix themselves and i'll last past 50.

currently. i'm not showing any symptoms with my heart other than having heart palpatations on that one day i had a sleep apnea test due to a nightmare.
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As Baby Boomers start to die off, there should be less money going out of Social Security, which would balance the books.
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Tom_Joad posted...
As Baby Boomers start to die off, there should be less money going out of Social Security, which would balance the books.
Projections are that we're only about a decade away from Social Security becoming insolvent. If it's going to be saved we're going to need to do something like eliminate the cap on Social Security taxes, which won't permanently fix Social Security but would buy time.
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XBoner posted...
Is this really true, 168? Why is that though?
Yes, there's a cap, it was a "compromise" to get the conservatives on board. The problem is it's way too low to keep the fund solvent and really doesn't need to exist at all, the US is already far more friendly to high income earners than any other major country.

Also those same high income people also receive social security when they retire, and at the maximum rate.
Like the other guys said, remove the income cap.

I'm curious, why isn't there a way to have social security be in like an Index fund. Not fully, but something that gets good returns and is based on the economy. Like a social wealth fund of some sort
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If they're so worried about running out of funds, there are plenty of tax loopholes to close. There's also that ultra inflated defense budget. But we all know those aren't going to be touched.
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Yeah, they need to start having the ultra wealthy pay into social security. There's way too many tax breaks for them for us to simply go "nothing we can do to fix it"
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I think eventually the income cap on contributions will be removed in a few years, but that's too little too late and then the mandatory cuts will kick in.
Hospy posted...
I think eventually the income cap on contributions will be removed in a few years, but that's too little too late and then the mandatory cuts will kick in.
What is that really, cap on contributions? Have only vaguely heard of it
GranTurismo posted...
What is that really, cap on contributions? Have only vaguely heard of it
There's a cap on how much of your income can be taxed for Social Security. For 2024 it's $168,600. So if you make less than that then you pay Social Security tax on all of your income. If you make more than that then you only pay Social Security tax on the first $168,600 of your income and none on the rest.
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UnsteadyOwl posted...
There's a cap on how much of your income can be taxed for Social Security. For 2024 it's $168,600. So if you make less than that then you pay Social Security tax on all of your income. If you make more than that then you only pay Social Security tax on the first $168,600 of your income and none on the rest.
Oh, when did that start, and like was there any rationale or fair argument for that?
Old people are the most constant voters, social security is going nowhere in the near future. Medium to long term may be different if the US doesn't actually have the resources to fund it.
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GranTurismo posted...
Oh, when did that start, and like was there any rationale or fair argument for that?
It's been there for awhile, if not from the very beginning.

The cap works both ways, there's a cap on contributions (the income cap) which also dictates the cap on benefits (the money you get from social security).
GranTurismo posted...
Oh, when did that start, and like was there any rationale or fair argument for that?
There's always been a cap. Like another poster said, it was basically a compromise to get conservatives on board when it was passed. The cap gets bumped up a little by the federal government every year but really it just needs to be removed entirely.
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YellowSUV posted...
Old people are the most constant voters, social security is going nowhere in the near future. Medium to long term may be different if the US doesn't actually have the resources to fund it.

You forgot most old people are right wing voters and they love to self sabotage themselves if it means they make other people miserable.
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
You forgot most old people are right wing voters and they love to self sabotage themselves if it means they make other people miserable.
It's not even self sabotage. The increased age requirement that Republicans like Nikki Haley want wouldn't affect them. It would affect the people that are in their 20's and 30's right now.

She said:

It is unrealistic to say youre not going to touch entitlements. The thing is you dont have to touch it for seniors and anybody near retirement. Youre talking about the new generation, like my kids coming up.
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NoxObscuras posted...
It's not even self sabotage. The increased age requirement that Republicans like Nikki Haley want wouldn't affect them. It would affect the people that are in their 20's and 30's right now.

She said:

It is unrealistic to say youre not going to touch entitlements. The thing is you dont have to touch it for seniors and anybody near retirement. Youre talking about the new generation, like my kids coming up.
Were you kinda angered by Haley's comment
GranTurismo posted...
Were you kinda angered by Haley's comment
Not angered, but I definitely want to vote to keep anyone that thinks like her, out of office.
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XBoner posted...
How, do they though?
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Theyll raise the age requirement to receive it by another fives years higher than the average human lifespan
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Lordgold666 posted...
Theyll raise the age requirement to receive it by another fives years higher than the average human lifespan
So basically what they originally meant it to be.
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