Pro-lifers should be ejected from the GOP, they're killing the party.

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Current Events » Pro-lifers should be ejected from the GOP, they're killing the party.
It's making every election needlessly difficult for the GOP.

Even when a Republican candidate takes a state's rights stance and claims to go no further, they now get associated with the draconian abortion laws red state governors passed like limiting to 6 weeks with no exceptions for rape/incest/emergencies, as well as radical thinktank wishlists like Project 2025. Barely anyone believes they would opposite a national abortion ban bill.

The judges should've never overturned Roe, they could've kept punting the issue, but for whatever reason they chose to blow up election year and then Republicans couldn't win a big enough lead in the House (denying them the ability to do the shutdowns, impeachments, etc. they wanted) and now Trump seems headed to a decisive loss. These elections may have been much simpler without the removal of Roe.

Since outlawing abortion doesn't make them money and doesn't help politically I don't get why they can't just not only stop pushing the issue, but also denounce and discredit all the extreme pro-lifers. Pro-lifers should be treated worse by the GOP than Democrats treat tankies. If the GOP wants to remain competitive.
You're extremely bad at understanding the GOP for a dude who likes to spout off on how clever he is.
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They've been a huge part of the Republican party since Reagan though.
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That would just eject the whole GOP though.
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This is like saying racism is killing the party

If it wasn't for that and church politics there would be no GOP
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They should just get rid of the GOP. Then split the Democrats in two between moderates and more progressives.
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DrizztLink posted...
You're extremely bad at understanding the GOP for a dude who likes to spout off on how clever he is.

For multiple decades they just used the issue as a dangling carrot for evangelicals.

wanderingshade posted...
They've been a huge part of the Republican party since Reagan though.

A lot of Republican wings have been relegated to obscurity since then.
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Asherlee10 posted...
Where are you seeing this?
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Asherlee10 posted...


Where are you seeing this?

They don't listen to minarchists anymore, neocon influence is waning relative to MAGA, etc.
Diceheist posted...
They don't listen to minarchists anymore, neocon influence is waning relative to MAGA, etc.
Look at this buzzword salad.
DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Look at this buzzword salad.

You're being obtuse but I'm saying the portion of the GOP that wanted low government spending and a paid national debt is basically gone while the portion that wanted America to be the world's police and spread democracy to dictatorships is fading.
They fit right in. The GOP is full of the worst kinds of people.
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Republicans cannot 'denounce and discredit' extreme pro lifers.

That was the issue that mobilised the extreme religious right to vote Republican in the 1970s. Without that vote they are fucked now.
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The party (as an organization, not it members) should die.
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Good, the GOP should die.

It's funny how much of an absolute joke you are.

Fun fact, you're whining that they should discredit pro-lifers while ignoring that pro-lifers are the bulk of the party. You're even downplaying Project 2025.

I wonder why that is? Well, actually, I know why, I'm more wondering when the mask is gonna come off.
This is like when people would say Democrats would like Donnie if he did x, y, and z. Yes. If they were completely different things then people would view them differently. How shocking.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
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Diceheist posted...
You're being obtuse but I'm saying the portion of the GOP that wanted low government spending and a paid national debt is basically gone while the portion that wanted America to be the world's police and spread democracy to dictatorships is fading.
Nobody in the GOP ever actually wanted that -- that was just lies and bullshit from the establishment to the rubes in the pre-Trump era.
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Let the party die.
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Perfect opportunity to form a third party to form offering actual conservative policies.
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ai123 posted...
Republicans cannot 'denounce and discredit' extreme pro lifers.

That was the issue that mobilised the extreme religious right to vote Republican in the 1970s. Without that vote they are fucked now.
Not precisely. Abortion is the second issue the religious right latched onto.

Their origin story had to do with the tax status of segregated private "religious" schools as part of the racist post-Brown backlash.

After Reagan gave them everything they wanted on that point, they pivoted to the eternal abortion war to maintain their political relevance.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984
EPR-radar posted...
Nobody in the GOP ever actually wanted that -- that was just lies and bullshit from the establishment to the rubes in the pre-Trump era.

The second Santa!
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
Mitt is pro life and other so called moderates are against abortion not just the MAGA crazies. Both Bushes are pro life against abortion. GOP is the party of prolife and has been since Roe v Wade

WASHINGTON U.S. Senator Mitt Romney (R-UT) today released the following statement regarding the Supreme Court decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Womens Health Organization :

The sanctity of human life is a foundational American principle, and the lives of our childrenboth born and unborndeserve our protection. I support the Courts decision, which means that laws regarding abortion will now rightfully be returned to the people and their elected representatives.
For all the things you can say about the republicans' reprehensible politics, they still actually stick to them (on the surface at least).

And that's good. They should hardline stick to their position until hopefully conservatism fades into nothingness in mainstream politics.
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EPR-radar posted...
Not precisely. Abortion is the second issue the religious right latched onto.

Their origin story had to do with the tax status of segregated private "religious" schools as part of the racist post-Brown backlash.

After Reagan gave them everything they wanted on that point, they pivoted to the eternal abortion war to maintain their political relevance.
Thanks for the correction.
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
For all the things you can say about the republicans' reprehensible politics, they still actually stick to them (on the surface at least).

And that's good. They should hardline stick to their position until hopefully conservatism fades into nothingness in mainstream politics.
The problem that Republicans have is that true believers in all their bullshit have taken over the party, especially regarding abortion.

The 5 SCOTUS (R) justices that overturned Roe believed they were on a mission from God to "stop the baby-killing in America" and were deaf to Roberts' plea for the more politically useful decision (for Republicans) of not overturning Roe but continuing to subject women's rights to the death of a thousand cuts (i.e. the entire career of Justice Kennedy).
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Erm are you saying you want the GOP to win?
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EPR-radar posted...
Not precisely. Abortion is the second issue the religious right latched onto.

Their origin story had to do with the tax status of segregated private "religious" schools as part of the racist post-Brown backlash.

After Reagan gave them everything they wanted on that point, they pivoted to the eternal abortion war to maintain their political relevance.
While the tax status of the segregated schools served as the foundation, the leaders of those schools knew they couldn't get far on just that. So they decided to use abortion to drive the masses.
havean776 posted...
Erm are you saying you want the GOP to win?
Of course he is. TC is a Republican who is dismayed by GOP incompetence.
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Diceheist posted...
You're being obtuse but I'm saying the portion of the GOP that wanted low government spending and a paid national debt is basically gone while the portion that wanted America to be the world's police and spread democracy to dictatorships is fading.

The GOP still likes to play political games with the debt ceiling and the debt when a Democrat WH is trying to drive the spending. We are heading for another tiresome and unnecessary government shutdown fight (probably next year assuming that Johnson can get his caucus under control-otherwise it will be sooner) so that the GOP can once again pretend to care about government spending.

Since before the rise of MAGA, the GOP basically has no policy positions beyond winning elections and power. They focus on wedge issues like abortion and guns and immigration and government spending to make their base angry enough to go to the polls, and that is it.

The Democrats are deeply flawed, just like every political party in history, but they have a coherent general platform and governing philosophy. The GOP just throws a bunch of stuff at the wall and hope they can make their voters angry enough to show up on Election Day. It is basically a political party of bad faith trolls.
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Westernwolf4 posted...
Since before the rise of MAGA, the GOP basically has no policy positions beyond winning elections and power. They focus on wedge issues like abortion and guns and immigration and government spending to make their base angry enough to go to the polls, and that is it.

The GOP hasn't has any new economic ideas for at least a century -- it's always the same old shit of letting the ultra-rich do anything they want and pretending something will trickle down.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984
divot1338 posted...
Perfect opportunity to form a third party to form offering actual conservative policies.

For all the Republican faults, they absolutely understand how voting and our electoral system works far better than Democrats do. They know that'd be suicide for getting any of their abhorrent bullshit forced upon people.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
If you take away the pro-lifers, all that's left of the GOP are a few thousand "bitcoin and age of consent laws" libertarians.

Also
DrizztLink posted...
You're extremely bad at understanding the GOP

DrizztLink posted...
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The way TC is framing it is a little off but the situation is a little more interesting than people give it credit for. It's not the case that pro-lifers are killing the Republican party. They're simultaneously killing and sustaining the party. The Republican party teamed up with churches decades ago to convince Christians that there is nothing more important in the universe than abortion. That this and this alone is the number one teaching of Jesus. For decades this has convinced millions of low and middle class people to vote against their own interests because their priests convinced them that God would be disappointed in them if they voted for a pro-choice candidate.

But it's also a losing proposition. Because pro-life is becoming less and less popular for a variety of reasons even in red states. So yes, they're losing some voters (especially women) by sticking to it but they'd lose even more voters if they abandoned it. That's why, for now, their strategy on the national stage has been basically to shut the fuck up about it. Trump himself very obviously does not care about pro-life and gives the bare minimum lip service to it. And even then they're trying to frame it more from a states right angle than as an ethical obligation as they did in the past.

As some point out though, this is also an inevitable exercise in conservatism. By its very definition, conservatism has been fighting against evolving civil rights and opinions throughout history. Conservatives similarly courted the Christian vote to convince people that slavery was good. Or that women shouldn't vote. Or that gays shouldn't marry. Until those positions weren't tenable anymore. Then they move on to the next topic and try to obscure the fact that they were fighting for such an unpopular opinion for so long.
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Westernwolf4 posted...
It is basically a political party of bad faith trolls.
Exactly. Hell, look at here. It's a microcosm of the whole picture. Name one conservative poster here who wasn't basically just a troll.
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EPR-radar posted...
Of course he is. TC is a Republican who is dismayed by GOP incompetence.

Could the handful of people left really call itself a party?
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Cory898 posted...
Could the handful of people left really call itself a party?
They're likely to have a majority in the Senate next year. What are we talking about?
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