Will We Go Back to Doomer Mode If Kamala's VP Pick Sucks?

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There's a lot of concerns that Kamala is going to pick Josh Shapiro whose influence could help boost her chances of winning PA while potentially costing her MI and the youth vote due to his pro-Israel stance among other things. Are you hoping it's not him or any of the candidates who have problematic baggage? Both PA and MI are extremely important for winning the EC and picking the wrong VP candidate could cost Kamala her momentum and perhaps the election. From what I've heard, Pennsylvanian centrists and big business donors are gunning for Shapiro specifically.
Personally I'm hoping for Tim Walz.
No. It's impossible for her pick to be worse than vance
projectpat72988 posted...
No. It's impossible for her pick to be worse than vance
Unfortunately, Shapiro has a lot of stuff that would cause left-leaning voters to become far less enthusiastic towards Kamala and we need as many votes as possible in order to win.
shapiro would be fine and wouldnt cost her anything
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I think people overestimate how much the voting population cares about Israel.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I think people overestimate how much the voting population cares about Israel.

they do. it isnt a top 5 issue for undecided voters and anyone not willing to vote for harris wasnt voting for her or any other democrat regardless
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Ben Shapiro?
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Lokarin posted...
Ben Shapiro?

Rumors it's between him and Candace owens
Humble_Novice posted...
From what I've heard, Pennsylvanian centrists and big business donors are gunning for Shapiro specifically.
It's probably gonna be him then because BBDs were also witholding a shitload of money from the DNC until they got rid of Biden, money that all went to Harris as soon as he dropped out, it's likely why the media has been covering Harris so favorably and why they've lionized Biden after stabbing the fuck out of him until he ultimately relented, the people don't choose their representatives, the rich do and the rich do not want to pay high taxes period.
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It doesnt matter who she picks, some of you will go into doomer mode no matter what.
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
It doesnt matter who she picks, some of you will go into doomer mode no matter what.

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Trump literally almost died and managed to fuck his run up. He was solid in the lead in basically all polls. Now he is losing ground in all of them. She could pick a dead person as VP and win at this point.

Either polls are complete and utter nonsense or this is the biggest ball drop of all time for any candidate.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Shes not even consistently up on him and were already getting the elections in the bag posts?

Republicans DEFINITELY fumbled the ball though.

Youre right though. This kind of attitude is what got us Trump in the first place, and iirc polling was way, WAY worse for Trump in his first go of it.
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Josh Shapiro is the clear worst pick and I would be extremely worried for the campaign if he's picked.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Shes not even consistently up on him and were already getting the elections in the bag posts?
Trump almost dies and sees no bump from it. The thing everyone feared ends up happening only for the impact to be the exact opposite. That being bidens drop out. Trump losing steam in every bg state. Actually went from plus 2 in michigan to negative 2. All barely a month from bidens awful debate. It looks pretty bad for trump right now.

I don't see much else happening. If they debate. Bidens awful performance actually now benefits her. As long as she doesn't get ripped to shreds trump won't have much to gain.

Orosuke posted...
Republicans DEFINITELY fumbled the ball though.

Youre right though. This kind of attitude is what got us Trump in the first place, and iirc polling was way, WAY worse for Trump in his first go of it.

That's when ppl thought there was not literally a chance in he'll he could win. We saw how many voted in 2020 compared to 2016....
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Humble_Novice posted...
Unfortunately, Shapiro has a lot of stuff that would cause left-leaning voters to become far less enthusiastic towards Kamala and we need as many votes as possible in order to win.
They would find something about Walz to cry and feel uninspired about. Short of Harris putting Sanders, Tlaib, or AOC on the ticket those left leaning voters are going to find issues with everyone.
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CrimsonGear80 posted...
It doesnt matter who she picks, some of you will go into doomer mode no matter what.
This term, like boomer and woke, is losing its meaning. Now it's just a lazy way to dismiss an opposing viewpoint or shut down discussion. We need a term for people who stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la la la la I can't hear you la la la la everything is fine la la la la" because that's all I imagine when someone throws the word "doomer" around.

Obviously if she makes a poor choice for VP, it could hurt her chances in November. It's not being a "doomer" to discuss that. It's just how normal people carry on conversations.
pegusus123456 posted...
I think people overestimate how much the voting population cares about Israel.

Agreed. Especially older voters that have been watching Israel and Palestine at war for their entire lives.
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pegusus123456 posted...
I think people overestimate how much the voting population cares about Israel.
Biden's psychotic support of Israel is practically THE reason he was drowning with young voters and losing Michigan before he dropped out.
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Doomer is the default mode for about a sixth of the board.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
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Garioshi posted...
Biden's psychotic support of Israel is practically THE reason he was drowning with young voters and losing Michigan before he dropped out.

definitely not. we have seen time and again that israel/palestine isnt a top 5 issue for voters. biden was cratering because the perception of him having dementia was pushed by right wingers and the media

and the perpetual doomers are the same ones we saw in '20 saying trump had an easy win. the same few names have been spamming that shit on 261 and now ce for a long time
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Josh Shapiro is continuing to trend on Twitter, making me believe a lot of online folks are super concerned about him being chosen as the VP candidate.
Humble_Novice posted...
There's a lot of concerns that Kamala is going to pick Josh Shapiro whose influence could help boost her chances of winning PA while potentially costing her MI and the youth vote due to his pro-Israel stance among other things. Are you hoping it's not him or any of the candidates who have problematic baggage? Both PA and MI are extremely important for winning the EC and picking the wrong VP candidate could cost Kamala her momentum and perhaps the election. From what I've heard, Pennsylvanian centrists and big business donors are gunning for Shapiro specifically.

CE will. Dooming is the norm here.

Everyone else won't. Can't be worse than the disaster Vance has been
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No, I don't think so. I think you'll see some vocal disappointment, but leftists know which way the wind is blowing on this and know that people will be even less receptive to our criticisms than before. I just hope she doesn't do something dumb either way.
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andel posted...
shapiro would be fine and wouldnt cost her anything

Y'all have goldfish memory. People were hating on Biden hard for Palestine in May.
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shockthemonkey posted...
We need as much momentum as possible and people are already going well, it might not be great, but Ill vote for that cuz I have to. This is the entire problem we wanted solved by Biden dropping out. We need actual excitement like we have now. Not a VP pick who makes us collectively sigh.
I hope both voters and the media focus more on Kamala and not her VP pick.
Nope. Its near impossible to be any worse than Vance.
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Hey it would match trumps vp pick.
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Shapiro shouldn't be the pick, he'd lose too many antisemitic voters. They should definitely go with any one of the Christian candidates who have exactly the same position on Israel as him and most other American politicians.

This election is about appearances and messaging, not policy. And messaging dictates that both candidates on the ticket need to be able to tiptoe around both sides of the Israel crowd in order to get elected and continue to implement exactly the same policy as every other American President of the past 75 years.
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I think the only pick I would be outright concerned with is Buttigieg. Outside of that I think shes going to be fine and I dont see Shapiro as the landmine others do. I think Walz is the strongest pick but Im not concerned if its Shapiro or someone else.

But yes CE will doomer. I doubt they go back to topics about what country everyone is moving to but they will doomer to a degree. Its been a wild turn of events watching CE doom post to the day after Biden dropped out and there was this surge where a bunch were already over confident, laughing, in a great mood thinking the republicans are in such shambles they will never recover to now watching some of the doom creep back in. Its going to be a roller coaster the next few months for some of these posters.
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Akuryu posted...
This term, like boomer and woke, is losing its meaning. Now it's just a lazy way to dismiss an opposing viewpoint or shut down discussion. We need a term for people who stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la la la la I can't hear you la la la la everything is fine la la la la" because that's all I imagine when someone throws the word "doomer" around.

Obviously if she makes a poor choice for VP, it could hurt her chances in November. It's not being a "doomer" to discuss that. It's just how normal people carry on conversations.

except it wont be discussed. People will just straight up say shes done, cooked, we are cooked, enjoy facism, etc.

that is DOOMING and it helps no one and is what insufferable people do.

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Her VP won't matter unless they a creep like Vance.

Trump VP shouldn't have mattered, he could run without a VP and his base wouldn't care.
Vance is that disastrous.
CrimsonGear80 posted...
It doesnt matter who she picks, some of you will go into doomer mode no matter what.

Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
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Squall28 posted...
Y'all have goldfish memory. People were hating on Biden hard for Palestine in May.

people online are hating on everyone 100% of the time. palestine was never an election concern for biden
I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn .-Fubonis
it looks incredibly likely to be shapiro. betting odds have swung to make him the massive favorite and harris is announcing the pick in pa

shapiro is fine and i understand the calculus since pa is the most important swing state, but i do prefer kelly or walz slightly. shapiro is fine though and he is wildly popular in pa
I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn .-Fubonis
shockthemonkey posted...
Calling people doomers is constantly being used to shut down or derail discussions. If someone isnt adding to a discussion just stop responding to them instead of derailing a topic with an argument about them.
Except you can't "just ignore them" and pretend those individual people can't affect the public.

Spreading lies or gloom and doom constantly like doomers do, takes root and spreads like wildfire when it's allowed to grow unchecked.

Individual opinions can very well shape public opinion when enough loud individuals spout out things unchecked. Especially when enough individuals, turn into a collective.

It's literally the same principle on why it's ignorant to think individual votes don't matter. When enough individual people operate on that mindset, collectively those "individual people" can shape the overall results.
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Squall28 posted...
Y'all have goldfish memory. People were hating on Biden hard for Palestine in May.

Kamala and I'm pretty sure Shapiro are to the left of Biden on I/P
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NatsuSama posted...
Except you can't "just ignore them."

Spreading lies or gloom and doom takes root when it's allowed to grow unchecked.

Individual opinions can very well shape public opinion when enough loud individuals spout out things unchecked.
Indeed. Keeping them unchecked could be detrimental in the long run. For instance, this major leftist account on Twitter is helping set the tone that Maduro's victory in Venezuela is legitimate due to him being perceived as "pro-Palestinian".
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1817780521985777774
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1817780895488917788
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1817781216449282070
https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1817776874329686063

This isn't a dig against people who support Palestine, but rather it shows how their support can be politically co-opted for insincere reasons.
Bumping this up in case we need it for next week. I'm going to close the topic if Kamala ends up picking a candidate that's both exciting and NOT Shapiro.
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