For the most part, is it hard for most Americans to afford big vacations?

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Silver_Patron
07/31/2024
02:06 PM
#1
seems that most people dont go too far for vacations and that Hawaii is a pipe dream for most people in normal salaries
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ClayGuida
07/31/2024
02:06 PM
#2
Yes.

Think about it, if most Americans don't even have 1k in savings, how can they afford a big vacation?
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Hyena_Of_Ice
07/31/2024
02:08 PM
#3
Plane tickets and resort hotel stays are hella expensive. A plane trip to Hawaii from the US mainland takes anywhere from 5 to 13 hours.
reincarnator07
07/31/2024
02:35 PM
#4
On top of many Americans not having much savings, geography means that most destinations are far away. Canada and Mexico aren't too bad if you're on the respective border, most of America is too samey to justify a vacation if you're already there imo and everywhere else requires expensive flights. Compare that to Europe, where I can get super cheap flights to pretty much anywhere else in Europe and see something truly unique from where I come from.

Also the USA is literally the only developed country that doesn't guarantee holidays...
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Board_hunter567
07/31/2024
02:37 PM
#5
Being unable to take long stretches of time off is also an issue.
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Turbam
07/31/2024
02:37 PM
#6
It's hard for Americans to afford a large meal at McDonald's
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Southernfatman
07/31/2024
02:38 PM
#7
Only rich people are allowed to have fun and enjoy life here in America.
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TheSavageDragon
07/31/2024
02:40 PM
#8
reincarnator07 posted...
Also the USA is literally the only developed country that doesn't guarantee holidays...

Wait....what? "Guarantee holidays" as in no paid leave? Or no paid leave on national holidays? Either is really weird tbh. Here you're guaranteed 20 days along with the multiple national holidays and then there's all the added leave depending on what job you do and how long you've been there.
Turbam
07/31/2024
02:42 PM
#9
TheSavageDragon posted...
Wait....what? "Guarantee holidays" as in no paid leave? Or no paid leave on national holidays? Either is really weird tbh. Here you're guaranteed 20 days along with the multiple national holidays and then there's all the added leave depending on what job you do and how long you've been there.
Some companies give out vacation time, but don't allow you to really take a lot at a time.
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Silver_Patron
07/31/2024
08:03 PM
#10
Turbam posted...
Some companies give out vacation time, but don't allow you to really take a lot at a time.

unfortunately this is true unless you have a really generous company
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PoopPotato
07/31/2024
08:05 PM
#12
Silver_Patron posted...
unfortunately this is true unless you have a really generous company
At my previous job, leave would gwt denied all the time. I typically took a total of seven days off a year and had to cash out the rest. It sucked.
Now I've got a government job and I almost feel like I'm abusing the freedom to take off whenever the fuck I want.
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CADE_FOSTER
07/31/2024
08:43 PM
#13
Southernfatman posted...
Only rich people are allowed to have fun and enjoy life here in America.

Silver_Patron
07/31/2024
11:25 PM
#14
^tbh thats basically every country
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Hyena_Of_Ice
07/31/2024
11:35 PM
#15
TheSavageDragon posted...
Wait....what? "Guarantee holidays" as in no paid leave? Or no paid leave on national holidays? Either is really weird tbh. Here you're guaranteed 20 days along with the multiple national holidays and then there's all the added leave depending on what job you do and how long you've been there.

It depends on the state. There is no federal law requiring paid leave of any kind whatsoever (not even sick or pregnancy leave!), but blue states tend to have such laws.
pepper2012
07/31/2024
11:42 PM
#16
ClayGuida posted...
Yes.

Think about it, if most Americans don't even have 1k in savings, how can they afford a big vacation?

Why wouldnt they save more ??!!
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reincarnator07
08/01/2024
02:15 AM
#18
TheSavageDragon posted...
Wait....what? "Guarantee holidays" as in no paid leave? Or no paid leave on national holidays? Either is really weird tbh. Here you're guaranteed 20 days along with the multiple national holidays and then there's all the added leave depending on what job you do and how long you've been there.
The former. There is no federally mandated annual leave, it is entirely up to the employer. According to Google, 12 states + DC do grant a little bit of leave, but it caps out at about a week.
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Ilishe
08/01/2024
02:22 AM
#19
Silver_Patron posted...
^tbh thats basically every country

It's not. It depends on what you mean be enjoy life.

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ProfessorKukui
08/01/2024
02:47 AM
#20
The Disney Vacation Scale.

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08/01/2024
02:49 AM
#21
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Spiky_Peahorn
08/01/2024
03:10 AM
#22
Are americans even allowed to use PTO?
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tripleh213
08/01/2024
03:39 AM
#23
Spiky_Peahorn posted...
Are americans even allowed to use PTO?
We just don't get enough days...
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Cuticrusader09
08/01/2024
10:02 AM
#25
AssultTank posted...
Not most of then.

I currently get 40 hours a year of PTO, and that is in the top 5% in my industry.
Ouch. When I started working 20+ years ago, I got 10 days off.

My husband recently started his dream job. He earns 1 hour of PTO for every 8 hours worked. So he gets ridiculous amounts of time off.
neccis
08/01/2024
10:07 AM
#26
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Spiky_Peahorn
08/02/2024
06:29 AM
#27
AssultTank posted...
Not most of then.

I currently get 40 hours a year of PTO, and that is in the top 5% in my industry.

That's....not much. Kinda happy I live in Australia. 160 hours of PTO a year which accrues if I dont use it, 80 hours of sick leave per year with a medical certificate which accrues if I dont use it, 40 hours of sick leave WITHOUT a medical certificate per year which doesn't accrue, then after 10 years we have access to long service leave which is 12 weeks and is separate to standard PTO. My current job offers our long service at half pay if we want, meaning 6 months off but obviously at a reduced income. Throw in the 4 weeks of PTO for that year which I think can be taken at half pay too and it's 8 months off. Plenty of time for a nice holiday ;)
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AbstraktProfSC2
08/02/2024
06:40 AM
#28
i had to be at my company for 5 years before i got to 120 hours paid vacation a year
US actually sucks balls but a certain people try to convince themselves we dont JUST enough to keep them brainwashed
"you dont like it then leave" id LOVE to. grant me citizenship
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Glob
08/02/2024
06:42 AM
#29
AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
i had to be at my company for 5 years before i got to 120 hours paid vacation a year
US actually sucks balls but a certain people try to convince themselves we dont lol
"you dont like it then leave" id LOVE to. grant me citizenship

You dont need citizenship somewhere else in order to leave. Ill never be applying for citizenship where I am.
LeoRavus
08/02/2024
06:45 AM
#30
Asia and South America can be cheaper than vacation in the US. You won't find many hotels here for $20 a night, even roach infested notells. Food, transportation, and entertainment is also way cheaper. The plane ticket is by far the biggest expense.

Most Americans seem afraid to leave the country though.
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AbstraktProfSC2
08/02/2024
07:04 AM
#31
Glob posted...
You dont need citizenship somewhere else in order to leave. Ill never be applying for citizenship where I am.

ive lived outside of the US for 7 years (Tokyo) through my parents but I dunno the details on how citizenship and VISAs etc work
i need to do a little research over the weekend!
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Glob
08/02/2024
07:21 AM
#32
AbstraktProfSC2 posted...
ive lived outside of the US for 7 years (Tokyo) through my parents but I dunno the details on how citizenship and VISAs etc work
i need to do a little research over the weekend!

How it works can vary dramatically depending on where youre thinking of going.
Prismsblade
08/02/2024
07:29 AM
#33
Its not that hard or expansive for most people frankly.

There are plenty of cheap and amazing places to travel domestically, just that most of them are non English speaking places for the most part.

The biggest hurdle is usually time. Since most Americans dont get very much PTO.
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bsp77
08/02/2024
07:37 AM
#34
I feel really lucky to have 25 days of PTO that I can use when I what.

So I easily have time for big vacations, but having the money is a stretch. We can afford smaller ones okay, but stuff like going to Europe requires years of saving and hoping no major unexpected expenses come up. What is crazy is that google claims we are an upper class household, but I don't think that takes my child support into account, but that would still place us as upper middle. Still hard to get by sometimes with how expensive it is to have a good home and a good car to fit all the kids, rising food costs,, etc.
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_____Cait
08/02/2024
07:39 AM
#35
Partially

Also many Americans are afraid to go anywhere else that isnt Japan or safe touristy places. Like white people mexico or white people brazil.
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Solar_Crimson
08/02/2024
07:49 AM
#36
America is a corporate dystopian hellscape tailor-made to keep the masses busy, miserable, and exhausted.
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neccis
08/02/2024
07:51 AM
#37
Solar_Crimson posted...
America is a corporate dystopian hellscape tailor-made to keep the masses busy, miserable, and exhausted.
Perfectly stated.
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Silver_Patron
08/02/2024
10:45 AM
#38
Solar_Crimson posted...
America is a corporate dystopian hellscape tailor-made to keep the masses busy, miserable, and exhausted.

so sad but true
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GS4Life
08/02/2024
11:27 AM
#39
I went on 7 day trip to LA earlier this year

But yeah it ate up most my vacation

Granted I also get 3 paid personal and 4 unpaid sick days

But yeah accumulating vacation and trying to get approved time off is a pain in the ass
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Pikachuchupika
08/02/2024
11:34 AM
#40
No need for Hawaii. Cancun is so much cheaper and better.
Silver_Patron
08/02/2024
12:15 PM
#41
Pikachuchupika posted...
No need for Hawaii. Cancun is so much cheaper and better.

Im not a fan of Cancun. You dont get to leave the resort because its unsafe to travel outside of the all inclusive
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Pikachuchupika
08/02/2024
12:33 PM
#42
Silver_Patron posted...
Im not a fan of Cancun. You dont get to leave the resort because its unsafe to travel outside of the all inclusive

You can leave. There's plenty of safe places outside of the resorts.
neccis
08/02/2024
12:40 PM
#43
Pikachuchupika posted...
You can leave. There's plenty of safe places outside of the resorts.
Just let him go to Hawaii already
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Silver_Patron
08/02/2024
12:45 PM
#44
Pikachuchupika posted...
You can leave. There's plenty of safe places outside of the resorts.

ill look into it next time if we make it back there

the wife and kids refused to leave the resort so it felt like prison the whole week we were there. I was bored out of my mind.
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