Is it even possible to convince people too stupid to live?I'd like to think they're less stupid and more emotionally stubborn. I've tried to make my case with many of them, but they still think voting blue is absolutely unacceptable.
Is it even possible to convince people too stupid to live?That's not very nice
Are you broseph?Who's that?
Humble really doesn't like leftistsJust the ones who won't vote to save democracy. Got a problem with that?
I'd like to think they're less stupid and more emotionally stubborn.
The kind of leftists you're trying to convince are also turning on Bernie and AOC for supporting Biden. They're a lost cause.Oh yeah I met those people in the city they're awful
You would think that LGBTW rights and a tougher Israel on Palestines would be enough...I get that Democrats are far from perfect, but having them take over the presidency is far more preferable than letting Republican have full control over it now that they have an actual plan in the form of Project 2025. There are even some leftists who demand to know why Democrats don't have their own version of Project 2025 to begin with.
They KNOW Trump is a 100 times worse, but they rather stick it to the dems. That's immaturity.
Like it or not, there is a growing number of leftists who stubbornly refuse to vote for Democrats due to various reasons. It would be ignorant not to at least acknowledge that they exist.
* They hate the Democrats for not going hard enough on the genocide of Palestinians.
* They cannot stand the idea of supporting a party that is being propped up by Zionists.
* They are against the US providing funds for Ukraine to defend itself against Russia.
* They feel that Democrats have not provided enough helpful policies despite Congress and SCOTUS being hampered by the GOP.
* They absolutely despise Biden for enabling genocide and Harris for being a cop.
* They are resentful of Biden for backing out on his promises in dealing with student debt.
* They see Democrats as being no different than Republicans.
* They refuse to acknowledge any of the good done by the Democratic Party.
* They accuse Democrats of abandoning the trans community by not doing something about the GOP's attacks on them.
* They see Democrats being complicit in police abuse by funding cities with more money for their cops.
* They believe Democrats are to blame for letting Roe v. Wade be dismantled while not codifying it.
* They accuse progressive candidates like AOC of being tokens used by Democrats to pacify them.
* They think Democrats focus too much on civil politics and not enough on calling out the far right.
* They consider Democrats as nothing more than an extension of capitalism, a system they utterly despise.
* They view Democrats as being undemocratic due to them weakening the influence of the Green Party.
* They resent Democrats for using the threat of Republicans winning as a way to earn their votes.
* They feel that their own lives could not get any worse under a Republican presidency.
* They deem voting to be far less effective than protesting.
* They are against NATO, considering it as nothing more than a warmongering organization.
* They accuse Democrats of trying to balance environmental issues with capitalistic gains far too much.
There are even some leftists who demand to know why Democrats don't have their own version of Project 2025 to begin with.I genuinely fucking hate the type who act like the only way to fight the Republicans is by just mass arresting them.
You would think that LGBTW rights and a tougher Israel on Palestines would be enough...What did the W stand for? Wiccan?
They KNOW Trump is a 100 times worse, but they rather stick it to the dems. That's immaturity.
I'd like to think they're less stupid and more emotionally stubborn. I've tried to make my case with many of them, but they still think voting blue is absolutely unacceptable.Going to be honest, I don't see a difference.
TC, the people you're talking about don't vote, anyway. Esp. if they're extreme enough to turn on Sanders and AOC for supporting Biden.
What did the W stand for? Wiccan?Alright, whose alt is this? This guy has been all over the place with these weird posts
Some of those are true of most leftists (Like supporting Palestine against genocide and being against Zionism and ethnostates), and others are very divisive within the left (Like supporting Ukraine. Like, ask a normal gen Z leftist and they support Ukraine. Its tankies that really hate Ukraine and NATO. A lot are willing to say that NATO is a flawed organization but unfortunately necessary at the moment because of Russia's aggression), and some of them just aren't kind of true at all (Like, most leftists don't even talk about the Green Party).You'd be surprised to know that there are some leftists who are either attracted to Jill Stein as a candidate or apathetically believe that the Green Party amounts to nothing from their perspective.
I don't think most think protesting is more effective so much as they just don't view voting as effective at all. A lot of people on the left regularly vote (If that wasn't true, then AOC and Bernie Sanders would never have been elected) and its more the doomerists and tankies that are dead-set against it, they are just kind of political non-actors.It helps that both AOC and Sanders are very well=liked among their constituents. And unfortunately, there is a growing number of doomerists among leftists AND Democratic voters. It doesn't help that the media is helping magnify its effects through a combination of propaganda and half-truths.
Like, the Kamala the cop stuff wouldn't be so prevalent if the primaries weren't so nasty. The worst thing about Kamala was always her supporters rather than anything she did or said herself. Khive basically got a free pass to do everything that everyone cried about the twitter left doing and that kind of hypocrisy by the people tone policing the party build some deep resentment that just didn't have to be there. Like, a lot of the resentment from the primaries didn't have to be there, the party could have given an olive branch to the left in 2016 but they doubled down, and that was kind of the start of the deep rift that we see today. One of the problems with replacing Biden is that he was the only one who even tried to give a nod to fixing the rift while every other leader in the party has just made it worse, and sadly Biden got rid of a lot of his good will by supporting Israel when he definitely shouldn't have.Yeah, there's definitely some resentment that had been left to fester rather than be healed over time. If Democrats had gotten full control of both the House and Senate, they could have done lots of good things that might have greatly benefited the left.
The vast majority of progressives are not against AOC, like, this is just kind of something you've made up in your mind that isn't shown in actual reality because you live on twitter and only read posts by tankies. AOC is just as popular than ever. There will always be people who criticize anything she does because she is always in the spotlight, but on the balance most are willing to say she is a good politician.Lots of progressive and liberal voters admire AOC and do hope that she becomes president someday if we still have a functioning democracy. Unfortunately, terminally online leftists see her as a sellout because she's willing to negotiate with and work alongside other politicians in getting things done.
Having people like Mayor Adams who are just kind of outright Republicans on crime was kind of an unforced error on the part of the Democratic party. Like, they took all the energy of the George Floyd protests and just... killed it. They tone policed instead of actually putting together any substantial police reforms, and they just kind of fed into the idea that crime was this major problem when it wasn't. It was really fucking bad, and its while Americans are so delusional about crime nowadays that its mention only benefits Republicans, even though crime is majorly down under Biden. The thing is though, the George Floyd protests weren't a "leftist" movement and neither was defund the police, it was a movement by black Americans that leftists supported. So this wasn't just an error because it pissed off the left wing of the party, it was an error because it signaled abandoning the core of the party, black voters. It was really fucking bad.I think what sucked about it most was that the more progressive candidate Kathryn Garcia almost had a chance to win. It would have helped a lot if leftist voters hadn't split their votes between her and Maya Wiley.
As for how to convince leftists, like, the party would need to give up its outright hostility in some meaningful way. Voting reform could be one way. Neutrality on issues like Israel and Palestine could be another. Having some ideological discipline and not feeding into every Republican talking point would certainly be cool.Honestly, it's been rather difficult to get along with these types of leftists, especially when they accuse liberals of being too chummy with fascists for some reason. I'm not against them having a voice at the table, but they would definitely have to be involved in the democratic process and give something in return.
Ultimately, if you want a group to vote for you, you have to give them a seat at the table and understand their concerns, and not be outright hostile to them. The democratic party general fails at all three of those. And it fails in the way of "not even trying" rather than just not doing enough. Ultimately, you can't blame the voters you don't court for not voting for you.
Alright, whose alt is this? This guy has been all over the place with these weird postsWhat's weird about it? I went to a political rally. The anti-Biden people were there. I smiled at a cop and they got furious and tried to attack me.
You'd be surprised to know that there are some leftists who are either attracted to Jill Stein as a candidate or apathetically believe that the Green Party amounts to nothing from their perspective.
It helps that both AOC and Sanders are very well=liked among their constituents. And unfortunately, there is a growing number of doomerists among leftists AND Democratic voters. It doesn't help that the media is helping magnify its effects through a combination of propaganda and half-truths.
Yeah, there's definitely some resentment that had been left to fester rather than be healed over time. If Democrats had gotten full control of both the House and Senate, they could have done lots of good things that might have greatly benefited the left.
Lots of progressive and liberal voters admire AOC and do hope that she becomes president someday if we still have a functioning democracy. Unfortunately, terminally online leftists see her as a sellout because she's willing to negotiate with and work alongside other politicians in getting things done.
I think what sucked about it most was that the more progressive candidate Kathryn Garcia almost had a chance to win. It would have helped a lot if leftist voters hadn't split their votes between her and Maya Wiley.
Honestly, it's been rather difficult to get along with these types of leftists, especially when they accuse liberals of being too chummy with fascists for some reason. I'm not against them having a voice at the table, but they would definitely have to be involved in the democratic process and give something in return. post.
Uh huh and then the mean leftists got suuuuuper upset at you because you smiled at a copYes as described
Look at all those people angry at you for smiling at a copThe ones that tried to attack me aren't in the pics. Those pics are showing AOC and Bernie Sanders
I'd like to think they're less stupid and more emotionally stubbornYou'd like to, but just admit that if someone "can't tell the difference between democrats and republicans", it's because their IQ barely reaches lukewarm on a thermometer