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why would they give a shit about her "concerns"?
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Unless the intention is immediately to call her an idiot and then end the conversation, I don't see the point.
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Blatant transphobia =/= " concerns ".
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Phantom_Nook posted...
why would they give a shit about her "concerns"?
I can't figure it out. She wrote some popular books ages ago. Wow. We should all give a shit what she thinks forever I guess.
There's a time and place for everything... but not now.
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Ignoring the obvious issues we have with JKR.

From a political point of view I don't get what Labour have to gain from this at all.

Especially with this also being from Labour recently. The two positions seem to be very much contradictory to each other.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/24/labour-gender-transition-recognition-process-trans
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Fuck sake!

What do they gain from this?!
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DementedDurian posted...
...shadow chancellor? What's that?

The government have a load of ministerial positions with an overarching responsibility to lead each policy area. The current ministers are as follows:
https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers

Then you get the same on the opposition so you have the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Opposition_Shadow_Cabinet_(United_Kingdom)

The official definition is given as:

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havean776 posted...
Fuck sake!

What do they gain from this?!

I have literally no idea. Especially from a political point of view where we are entering into the election in under 10 days. I agree more adult discussions are required around this subject though which makes you wonder why they would bother to engage with JKR!
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Phantom_Nook posted...
why would they give a shit about her "concerns"?
For one thing, she has been a major supporter and donor to the party.

For another, millions of voters are largely ignorant of Rowling's transphobic views and their dangers, just thinking of her as 'that nice Harry Potter lady who is just trying to stand up for women'. Labour does not want to piss off that demographic.
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I have concerns about trans rights too (probably the exact opposite concerns to JK) so when is my meeting?

I assume they are meeting with JK because they are meeting with everyone with concerns one-by-one.
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ai123 posted...
For one thing, she has been a major supporter and donor to the party.

For another, millions of voters are largely ignorant of Rowling's transphobic views and their dangers, just thinking of her as 'that nice Harry Potter lady who is just trying to stand up for women'. Labour does not want to piss off that demographic.


no one is unaware JK is a TERF. She has made it her entire identity.

they just dont care that she is.
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Speaking to JK as a government official should immediately and automatically remove you from office unless you are an officer or judge arresting/presiding over her trial.

And JK should be in prison for hate speech and incitement to violence.
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In less than a decade's time, Rowling will be an open Tory. She's clearly on that trajectory.

Labour seems to have infinite patience, understanding, and willingness to compromise for the right of their coalition, and a very short leas for the left. Seems weird for what's supposed to be a labor party. But what do I know?
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BrohammedAli posted...
no one is unaware JK is a TERF. She has made it her entire identity.

I'm not sure that's true. People who care about Trans rights to the point they are actively engaging in discussions around it definitely are. To the majority of the population I don't think Trans rights (especially JKRs views on them) factor into their daily lives outside of what they see on the front pages of the papers which is usually government stories.
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BrohammedAli posted...
no one is unaware JK is a TERF. She has made it her entire identity.

they just dont care that she is.
A lot of the electorate don't even know what a TERF is, because they don't visit the spaces where the word is used. They overwhelmingly know her as the Harry Potter woman.

But yeah, the ignorance is largely willful. The population as a whole just does not engage, nor educate, themselves on trans issues.
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
Phantom_Nook posted...
why would they give a shit about her "concerns"?
Because she has insane popularity and pull. And refusing to meet her will give every single bit of media in the country to eviscerate Starmer.

It's fucking stupid and she is a hateful shitstain of a bigot but they likely dont to give the Tories any ammunition.
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DrizztLink posted...
Unless the intention is immediately to call her an idiot and then end the conversation, I don't see the point.
This. Who the fuck cares about her concerns. She's a fucking author not a doctor or scientist.
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Funkydog posted...
Because she has insane popularity and pull. And refusing to meet her will give every single bit of media in the country to eviscerate Starmer.
If you engage with politics and trans issues, this is 'Labour Party listen to transphobic bigot'.

If you don't this is 'Labour Party try to reassure beloved children's author that they care about women'.

There are a lot of votes in the second category.
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
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Oh FFS!

They're already going to win easily which means they don't have to do this BS, they WANT to do this BS.
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Sir_Will posted...
Oh FFS!

They're already going to win easily which means they don't have to do this BS, they WANT to do this BS.
There is nothing more likely to turn off the British public than saying you are going to win easily, or acting like it.

This had been the basis of Labour strategy since Starmer assumed leadership.

Fact is that Labour (and to some extent all the parties) are utterly divided on trans issues. The bigotry cuts across party lines.
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DrizztLink posted...
Unless the intention is immediately to call her an idiot and then end the conversation, I don't see the point.

That would be hilarious if that's what happened.
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ai123 posted...
If you engage with politics and trans issues, this is 'Labour Party listen to transphobic bigot'.

If you don't this is 'Labour Party try to reassure beloved children's author that they care about women'.

There are a lot of votes in the second category.
Unfortunately, yeah.
Let's make biscuits!
Labour is on pace to not just win, but win in quite possibly the biggest landslide in British history. What on Earth do they gain from pandering to a bigot whose claim to fame is writing popular books 20 years ago?
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Doe posted...
Labour under Keir Starmer stands for nothing. It literally has no ideology or vision.

Still better than the Tories.
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Red_XIV posted...
Labour is on pace to not just win, but win in quite possibly the biggest landslide in British history. What on Earth do they gain from pandering to a bigot whose claim to fame is writing popular books 20 years ago?
When you put it like that, nothing.

But when you put it like this: 'what do Labour have to gain from engaging with a major party supporter and beloved children's author who thinks they aren't supporting women?' You will get a different answer.

It would be great if her transphobic bigotry had ended her status and influence, but the reality is that it hasn't by much.

Labour have won nothing yet. Acting like they have is the worst thing they could do.
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SHRlKE posted...
Still better than the Tories.

But because of that reality, we'll be back here wondering how the Labour party collapsed and how the British people could possibly be ready to hand power over to an even more fascist Tory party. It'll be even worse it comes after the Labour party wins an overwhelming victory but does absolutely nothing to change the trajectory of the country and locks in some of the worst trends the Tories established.
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ai123 posted...
There is nothing more likely to turn off the British public than saying you are going to win easily, or acting like it.

This had been the basis of Labour strategy since Starmer assumed leadership.

Fact is that Labour (and to some extent all the parties) are utterly divided on trans issues. The bigotry cuts across party lines.
Yes, the bigotry is everywhere. That's the problem. And there is no excuse for it or for engaging with her. They don't need to even comment on it. They certainly don't need to suck up to HER.
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Truth is Labour tried the left route and got absolutely destroyed at the elections. Doubling down wasnt an option.

Personally I do agree with you. Its depressing. But just by the fact the Overton window has shifted to the right. Labour still unironically get called socialist by ardent Tory supporters even to this day. I think in 10 years time well see a big push to a far right party. More of the same isnt an option long term. In the electorates mind going left is dead and gone. So the only viable option will be the right. And I fucking hate saying that.
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Sir_Will posted...
Yes, the bigotry is everywhere. Stop making excuses for it. They don't need to even comment on it. They certainly don't need to suck up the TERF witch Rowling.
It's nothing to do with excuses.

The unpleasant truth is that there is more electoral benefit for Labour to engage with Rowling than there is to telling her to fuck off.

And no party is going to leave any advantage on the table, no matter what the polls say.
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ai123 posted...
It's nothing to do with excuses.

The unpleasant truth is that there is more electoral benefit for Labour to engage with Rowling than there is to telling her to fuck off.

And no party is going to leave any advantage on the table, no matter what the polls say.

we cant win an election without appealing to bigots sure sounds like an excuse to me.

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BrohammedAli posted...
we cant win an election without appealing to bigots sure sounds like an excuse to me.
You seem to be confusing me with the Labour Party. I am explaining why they chose to engage with Rowling.

And you're right. They don't think they can win without appealing to bigots. A large chunk of their traditional supporters are bigots (who voted for Boris Johnson and Bexit). Economically left, socially conservative, and very anti immigrant.
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
Won't this ironically give Rowling more reason to double-down on her beliefs? Like, if I was a crazy person in a sandwich board screaming THE END IS NIGH, and just got ignored, I'm just another ranting kook. But if I get an audience with the President who wants to discuss my concerns about the upcoming Armageddon with me...wouldn't that just reinforce my belief that I was right all along?
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Turducken posted...
Won't this ironically give Rowling more reason to double-down on her beliefs? Like, if I was a crazy person in a sandwich board screaming THE END IS NIGH, and just got ignored, I'm just another ranting kook. But if I get an audience with the President who wants to discuss my concerns about the upcoming Armageddon with me...wouldn't that just reinforce my belief that I was right all along?
Wait, are you saying we SHOULN'T keep giving these hate-spewing lunatics an audience? That we should just, what, ignore them and let them sulk in their venom and misery alone?
There's a time and place for everything... but not now.
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SHRlKE posted...
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Truth is Labour tried the left route and got absolutely destroyed at the elections. Doubling down wasnt an option.

Personally I do agree with you. Its depressing. But just by the fact the Overton window has shifted to the right. Labour still unironically get called socialist by ardent Tory supporters even to this day. I think in 10 years time well see a big push to a far right party. More of the same isnt an option long term. In the electorates mind going left is dead and gone. So the only viable option will be the right. And I fucking hate saying that.

This is probably right and it seems liberal democracies all around the world are falling into the same trap. The left gets discredited by corporate media, right wing elements of government, enemies within their allegedly left parties, and real unforced errors by leaders/rank and file. The conservatives inevitably fuck up, leading to a large victory for the formerly left party, who proceeds to squander all the energy and discredit themselves further, leaving only the far right as the option for sorely needed change.

The only solution is left that's functional from the ground up that runs the Starmer types out on a rail through an undeniable grassroots movement. But there's no proof that anyone knows how to do that or that it could be done before the next election if it could be done.
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That's what Corbyn was supposed to provide.

But then his failure to properly oppose Brexit, and the UK media going to war against him, fucked that up.
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legendary_zell posted...
This is probably right and it seems liberal democracies all around the world are falling into the same trap. The left gets discredited by corporate media, right wing elements of government, enemies within their allegedly left parties, and real unforced errors by leaders/rank and file. The conservatives inevitably fuck up, leading to a large victory for the formerly left party, who proceeds to squander all the energy and discredit themselves further, leaving only the far right as the option for sorely needed change.

The only solution is left that's functional from the ground up that runs the Starmer types out on a rail through an undeniable grassroots movement. But there's no proof that anyone knows how to do that or that it could be done before the next election if it could be done.

+1

If you need any more depressing just look at the numbers right wing parties are doing in France and German right now.
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So from what I gathered on Last Week Tonight, this Labour Party isn't what they used to be. They're anti worker, anti tax, and so on.
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ClayGuida posted...
So from what I gathered on Last Week Tonight, this Labour Party isn't what they used to be. They're anti worker, anti tax, and so on.
It's quite similar to Tony Blair's Labour Party.
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ai123 posted...
It's quite similar to Tony Blair's Labour Party.

Yep. And ironically the last time Labour won an election.
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Turducken posted...
Won't this ironically give Rowling more reason to double-down on her beliefs?
Yes.

ClayGuida posted...
So from what I gathered on Last Week Tonight, this Labour Party isn't what they used to be. They're anti worker, anti tax, and so on.
The UK just seems fucked. But that's also the fault of the majority of voters so I guess they get what they deserve. Brexit did win. Tories + Reform is still a considerable %. And Labour is moving right. Seems to be a pretty conservative country.
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