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Too focused on topping MCU to make good films?
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Shitty films?
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Cause too many character's mom's names were Martha
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instead of focusing on the quality of individual films, they wanted to rush through them to create their own Avengers-like movies (Justice League).

they also hired the wrong people.
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Rushed towards the team-ups without fleshing out the universe enough first.
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ShineboxPhil posted...
Cause too many character's mom's names were Martha
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME

but yeah, they rushed to the team up movie before we got a chance to even know the heroes
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Because theres not a single good film in it.

The MCU has stinkers, to be sure, and its best films may not be high brow, but it does contain some very good films. The DCEU did not.
Baron_Ox posted...
instead of focusing on the quality of individual films, they wanted to rush through them to create their own Avengers-like movies (Justice League).

People always say this but it's just not the case. The first couple movies were very well made, they just aren't what anyone wanted. There was no rushing, just no one was at the helm of the ship. They gave complete control to Snyder and when no one liked his vision, they had no backup plan. The DCEU was dead as soon as Justice League failed. But then not even Snyder was in control so the whole thing fell apart and they just kept making movies with wildly differing quality and tone
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I HIGHLY disagree that the two first movies in the DCEU were "well made".

MoS wasn't the worst movie, but it wasn't good, either. it just had some good action scenes and Zod was a decent villain.

BvS was absolute dog shit.

the first movie wasn't necessarily rushed, but the second was - we need to have Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman meeting up and eventually teaming up in the second movie?

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They had no plan, and they rushed the Justice League instead of putting in the work Marvel did
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totalnerdken posted...
Wow homie, I know I was about to kill you because you were trying to kill me, but your mom's name is Martha? Holy shit, mine too. Let's be besties.
written by Zack "Batman isn't cool because he doesn't kill" Snyder
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WB kept getting involved
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DCEU had some decent movies, but they never managed to capture the levels of hype of early MCU, and by the time Justice League came out, MCU was already in full swing, arguably at its peak. They still might've had a chance, but some baffling decisions on which characters to develop and which to ignore, some not so good movies, plus the team up movie itself being kind of lackluster, didn't do it any favors.
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Blue_Target posted...
WB kept getting involved
They should have hired the people who make the comics to design the movies
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DCEU was bad literally before it began - because Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern was originally supposed to kick off the universe. But it was so so bad that they just ignored it.

We have two versions of the Justice League movie. One is terrible, and the other is non-canon (and also kind of terrible).

We have two movies where one is called Suicide Squad and one is called The Suicide Squad. One of which is terrible.

WW84 is terrible and the plot is completely incomprehensible, especially as a prequel to a bunch of movies ostensibly in the same universe.

DC released a Joker movie and a Batman movie in the middle of the universe, which are not canon to the universe's Joker or Batman.

The universe is a shitshow. And that's even if we assumed that the other movies I didn't mention here were good movies. Which is a biiiig stretch.
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Baron_Ox posted...
the first movie wasn't necessarily rushed, but the second was - we need to have Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman meeting up and eventually teaming up in the second movie?
Why not? Man of Steel set the stage and these characters are so iconic they don't each need an origin movie to tell people who they are. Moving the inciting team building incident to the beginning of the franchise was actually a really cool idea. The only problem is everything else. The Snyder trilogy were great looking movies with good enough acting and fantastic action. Snyder's vision was executed perfectly but his vision sucked and he didn't have anyone to tell him no, and Goyer's writing was terrible.

Even after Justice League they could have turned the franchise around by sticking to Snyder's style and course correcting over time. They had no confidence in that but also didn't have a plan B so the rest of the universe was DOA. They just let whoever come in and make whatever movie they wanted.
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They wanted Avengers without the setup that made Avengers so successful.

Add on top with directors not understanding the very characters they were making movies about.
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"Zack Snyder is a good director"

Counterpoint: *points to BvS*

Can you blame WB for not trusting him with Justice League? Like, the Snyder cut is literally 4 fucking hours lol you can't release that in theaters
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This is a big reason. I was just looking at the wikipedia page for the DCEU and there were so many damn fingers in this pie. No one cared and no one knew what they were doing. There were multiple opportunities to fix the whole thing and they just kept green lighting and immediately canceling a ton of projects, kicking established characters down the road, and releasing lesser known characters to fill out the universe they hadn't built up.
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They weren't fun movies. All of them tried too hard to be serious. Granted, if they leaned too hard into that, they would've seemed too Marvel. The second Suicide Squad was a super-fun movie... but it just felt like GotG.

I also wonder if the Avengers benefited BECAUSE some of the heroes weren't as well-known whereas the JLU was mostly heavy hitters, with the only notable absence being GL from the big names.

That said, the MCU has collapsed spectacularly thanks to a slew of bad decisions and market fatigue.
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PowerMan5000000 posted...
Aquaman 1 ended up being great though, lmao

Yeah, that was amazing (other than the goofy thing with Manta at the beginning). Why couldn't the other films have been like that?

Even though AM2 had its issues, it was still a more enjoyable movie than most of the DCEU.
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TetsuoS2 posted...
oh do people still say snyder's good.

Snyder is good... most of the time. Watchmen is still one of my favorite movies.
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Count_Drachma posted...
They weren't fun movies. All of them tried too hard to be serious. Granted, if they leaned too hard into that, they would've seemed too Marvel. The second Suicide Squad was a super-fun movie... but it just felt like GotG.

I also wonder if the Avengers benefited BECAUSE some of the heroes weren't as well-known whereas the JLU was mostly heavy hitters, with the only notable absence being GL from the big names.

That said, the MCU has collapsed spectacularly thanks to a slew of bad decisions and market fatigue.
The Shazam movies aren't that serious actually. Well more so the first one at least
Count_Drachma posted...
Snyder is good... most of the time. Watchmen is still one of my favorite movies.

most of the time but your example is like a decade old and it's not really a lot of good ones among trash.

He has had some fun movies, I suppose.
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Baron_Ox posted...


they also hired the wrong people.


MC_BatCommander posted...
Bad movies

Bad actors

Ezra Miller

Those two comments exactly!

The only DCEU movie I have watched is Wonder Woman and if that hot garbage is anything to go by I do not want to see the rest.

Whoever was the casting director that thought that the uttely crap can't act for toffee Gal Gadot should be WW should in all honesty be banned from Hollywood.
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totalnerdken posted...
Wow homie, I know I was about to kill you because you were trying to kill me, but your mom's name is Martha? Holy shit, mine too. Let's be besties.
Wild that there are still people out there who interpret the scene that way
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Because they felt like films made purely based on focus group results. The same reason recent marvel films have sucked as well. They feel like cash grabs rather than passion projects from people who actually care about the source material.
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totalnerdken posted...
What's wild about an accurate interpretation?
It's like you're intentionally dodging the point.
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Zikten posted...
The Shazam movies aren't that serious actually. Well more so the first one at least

afaik Shazam wasn't officially part of the DCEU and iirc I think James Gunn mentioned wanting to keep Shazam.

The failure of the DCEU relates to the shared JL stuff.

TetsuoS2 posted...
most of the time but your example is like a decade old and it's not really a lot of good ones among trash.

He has had some fun movies, I suppose.

People's best movies are rarely their most recent movies.

totalnerdken posted...
Wow homie, I know I was about to kill you because you were trying to kill me, but your mom's name is Martha? Holy shit, mine too. Let's be besties.

Technically, all that did was stop the fight long enough for Lois to play peacemaker and point out the kidnapping, which both were obliged to fix.
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It's like you're intentionally dodging the point.
I don't think anyone misunderstands the point of it, but the way it was actually executed on screen was very, very, very contrived and stupid
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Count_Drachma posted...
People's best movies are rarely their most recent movies.

good thing I only said good, but ok.
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looking back, it's crazy how the third movie in the DCEU was Suicide Squad, since it only really accomplished establishing Harley as a player in the franchise.

the second Suicide Squad was a lot better, and we at least got Peacemaker from that.
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MOS was mid for an action movie but pretty dumb for a Superman movie

BvS was a sloggy borefest that rushed the hell out of Batman's intro and feud with Supes and the climax basically got memed to death bc the Martha thing is ridiculous. Plus wonder woman shoehorned in. Basically they wanted a billion dollar avengers movie without earning the buildup.

Then JL was lame and I don't even remember what happened after bc that whole universe lost all good will.

I think the first Shazam was ok?

And there was a SS movie (that I didn't see) but I got plenty of laughs from the "this is katana" scene that got spammed around and apparently that was terrible too.

Tldr shitty movies early on led to lost interest for maybe slightly improved movies down the road.

Basically blame Snyder.

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PowerMan5000000 posted...
Aquaman 1 ended up being great though, lmao

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