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Given that this country has produced GOATs in pretty much all major sports (MJ, Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Barry Bonds, Chris Chelios, etc), why is it so hard for the USA to produce a generational soccer player like Messi?
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Geiki_Ganger posted...
Given that this country has produced GOAT in pretty much all major sports (MJ, Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Barry Bonds, Chris Chelios, etc), why is it so hard for the USA to produce a generational player like Messi in soccer?
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No, most star athletes go to where the money is.
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The US doesn't care about soccer
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DarthAragorn posted...
The US doesn't care about soccer
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Plain and simple it isn't a main focus here like it is in other countries. It is certainly more popular now than when I was young 40 years ago but it is still no where near the level of the other main sports.

For instance where I live in the midwest none of the high schools even have it as an organized sport in school. They play it in elementary at the youth level but nothing beyond that.

The thing is it is the easiest sport to play equipment/money wise. I'm not sure why it isn't more popular to be honest. Especially in areas where people can't afford to get into other sports.
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No, because it's the 5th most popular sport and all of the best athletes play in the NFL or NBA where the money is.
ClayGuida posted...
No, most star athletes go to where the money is.

That's the thing. Good American players will go play in Europe where the pay is better but when the WC rolls around they come back to play for the USMNT.

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Tyranthraxus posted...
That's the thing. Good American players will go play in Europe where the pay is better but when the WC rolls around they come back to play for the USMNT.
What US players are under big contracts?

Now compare that to American athletes in other sports.
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The best athletes in the US just don't play this sport, opting for football, baseball and basketball instead.

PS I love Chris Chelios but he's nowhere near top 10 lol
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TheDurinator posted...
No, because it's the 5th most popular sport
I would argue that soccer has surpassed hockey in popularity.
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Athleticism isn't the be all and end all of football. Skill, and game awareness/intelligence rate higher than size, power, or endurance.

It's a question whether any nation will produce a player as good as Messi in the future.
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I think soccer is rising in America due to immigration bringing in people who were fans in their original countries. It's slowly growing. Soccer will probably be more popular than hockey someday
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ClayGuida posted...
No, most star athletes go to where the money is.

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The US training system gate keeps out lower income players, while other countries make the sport accessible to everyone.
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Never say never, but the USA and Canada different in the realm of sports, as almost everywhere else soccer is far and away the most popular sport, and in the rare places where it isnt is usually a top two or three sport with a few exceptions. In the USA meanwhile, baseball, basketball, football, and even hockey are all major moneymakers and provide major domestic competitions in the form of the inarguably best leagues in each sport (with the NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL representing four of the top five or six highest grossing leagues in the world as well). Meanwhile, North America likely doesnt even have the tenth best pro soccer league, and is more well-known as a semi-retirement home for has-been superstars getting one last payday versus being actually good soccer.

Most other countries just dont split sports talent like we do.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
JlM posted...
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No clue what that list even is supposed to mean.
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ClayGuida posted...
No clue what that list even is supposed to mean.
Highest earning athletes in the world
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Like 99% of the GOOD soccer countries haven't produced a player like Messi or Ronaldo, it's silly to think the US will be any exception.
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Antifar posted...
Highest earning athletes in the world
What's it based on though? Nothing about this list seems factually correct about anything. Neymar is currently making 162m a year from the Saudis and LeBron has 450m career earnings in basketball.

So it's not annual or total earned, but it's also not total contract since Trout (360m), Mahomes(500m), and Ohtani(700m) aren't on there.

So I ask again, what is that list even supposed to mean?
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ClayGuida posted...
What US players are under big contracts?

Now compare that to American athletes in other sports.
That's not the point. Messi is paid more than almost every athlete, and is in fact, an American Athlete being paid by Americans playing in America in American teams at the moment. The question is about whether or not the USMNT will ever get a player like him because if he went to go to the next WC, it would be for Argentina.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That's not the point. Messi is paid more than almost every athlete, and is in fact, an American Athlete being paid by Americans playing in America in American teams at the moment. The question is about whether or not the USMNT will ever get a player like him because if he went to go to the next WC, it would be for Argentina.
You pointing out a single player isn't the point you think it is. Would you rather join a profession where hundreds of players are making tens if not hundreds of millions or one that only a select few make much money at all.

As of May 2023, the average salary for a Major League Soccer (MLS) player was $530,262

As of April 2024, the average NBA player salary for the 2023/24 season was over $10 million, with a minimum salary of $1.12 million.

As of February 2024, the average salary for an NFL player is around $2.8 million.

There's your answer. If you'd like to debate about it more, bring some stats.
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Derwood posted...
The US training system gate keeps out lower income players, while other countries make the sport accessible to everyone.
Yeah it's inherently racist to keep out commuists and nonwhites.

It was created to go against the Soviets so it's outdated but no one wants to change it

Most American kids have to go overseas to get top level coaching
ClayGuida posted...
You pointing out a single player isn't the point you think it is. Would you rather join a profession where hundreds of players are making tens if not hundreds of millions or one that only a select few make much money at all.

There's your answer. If you'd like to debate about it more, bring some stats.

You can't say players go where the money is and then use the MLS as the example. The ridiculous expectation of producing a best player in the world isn't going to play in the MLS.
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ClayGuida posted...
You pointing out a single player isn't the point you think it is
I mean the point I'm making is that the topic says literally "Will the USMNT produce a player like Messi" and whether the answer is yes or no, it's definitely not because the money ain't there.

Your averages argument would make more sense if people were instead asking some shit like can MLS ever rival UEFA.
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ClayGuida posted...
You pointing out a single player isn't the point you think it is. Would you rather join a profession where hundreds of players are making tens if not hundreds of millions or one that only a select few make much money at all.

There's your answer. If you'd like to debate about it more, bring some stats.


You're using the top american football and basketball leagues in the world then using a joke football league.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/814c4c1a.jpg

IPL is cricket, of all things.

EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1, and CSL are all football.
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You have to start at the youth level to develop that kind of talent. Problem is (last I checked anyways) the soccer leagues at youth levels are expensive, when you can just send your kids to play one of the other sports that get subsidized by the local communities.
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JlM posted...
You're using the top american football and basketball leagues in the world then using a joke football league.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/814c4c1a.jpg

IPL is cricket, of all things.

EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, Ligue 1, and CSL are all football.
I'm using US sports. Because this is a topic about US athletes.

Not Brazilian athletes, not English athletes. Not Argentinian athletes.

And the simple fact is, there's no money in the US for soccer players, so great soccer players simply move on to other sports as they age. Just like there's no money in amateur wrestling, so wrestlers out of college transition to MMA instead.

It's truly not that hard of a concept to understand.

I'll also ask again, who the top paid American soccer players are. I asked before and got a list with LeBron James being the only American athlete on it.
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ClayGuida posted...
I'm using US sports. Because this is a topic about US athletes.

Oh God I've been arguing with Clay and didn't notice.

Move on folks.
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ClayGuida posted...
I'm using US sports. Because this is a topic about US athletes.

Not Brazilian athletes, not English athletes. Not Argentinian athletes.

And the simple fact is, there's no money in the US for soccer players, so great soccer players simply move on to other sports as they age. Just like there's no money in amateur wrestling, so wrestlers out of college transition to MMA instead.

It's truly not that hard of a concept to understand.

I'll also ask again, who the top paid American soccer players are. I asked before and got a list with LeBron James being the only American athlete on it.

Bruh... Messi is Argentinian and because who he is in Spain. You're looking at this wrong.
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Heineken14 posted...
Bruh... Messi is Argentinian and because who he is in Spain. You're looking at this wrong.
I'm looking at this in the only correct light.

American athletes, the finest in the world, literally choose the lucrative sports over soccer, because Soccer doesn't pay shit. As I showed the MLS league pays a fraction of what NBA, the NFL, and MLB pay, so that's where star soccer athletes gravitate to as they get older.

It's honestly not that hard to grasp. I mean there's literally been extensive reports done on this very thing.
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ClayGuida posted...
I'm looking at this in the only correct light.

American athletes, the finest in the world, literally choose the lucrative sports over soccer, because Soccer doesn't pay shit. As I showed the MLS league pays a fraction of what NBA, the NFL, and MLB pay, so that's where star soccer athletes gravitate to as they get older.

It's honestly not that hard to grasp. I mean there's literally been extensive reports done on this very thing.

A best player in the world isn't going to play in the MLS. Money isn't going to be a factor.
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Heineken14 posted...
A best player in the world isn't going to play in the MLS. Money isn't going to be a factor.
Again, you're thinking about 1 player. If the MLS paid what the NBA does, we'd easily have the top soccer team in the world because all the athletes that transition to baseball, hockey, football, and basketball in high school would simply keep playing Soccer.

It's simply quantity of top tier athletes. When you have too many to count, you dominate, like the US does in Basketball and would surely do in Football.

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So basically - there's no American league for soccer worth a damn, no American that's really good at sports is going to play soccer in America, and you're still missing the point that America is never going to produce a good soccer player?

I don't understand the argument here
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ClayGuida posted...
I'm using US sports. Because this is a topic about US athletes.

Not Brazilian athletes, not English athletes. Not Argentinian athletes.

Do you not understand that Americans play in foreign leagues all the time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Turner_(soccer)#

Just an example. From New Jersey. Literally plays in England in Nottingham Forest. But when it comes time to assemble the USMNT he would play for America.
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DarthAragorn posted...
I don't understand the argument here


Clay's gimmick is constantly being wrong and having a dim understanding of the world, with a heavy emphasis on sports. Move along.
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ClayGuida posted...
Again, you're thinking about 1 player. If the MLS paid what the NBA does, we'd easily have the top soccer team in the world because all the athletes that transition to baseball, hockey, football, and basketball in high school would simply keep playing Soccer.

It's simply quantity of top tier athletes. When you have too many to count, you dominate, like the US does in Basketball and would surely do in Football.

No we wouldn't because our youth system is dog shit. The French league doesn't pay as much as the other leagues, but France produces some of the best players around. England on the other hand pays the most out of all the leagues, but they haven't really produced many top top players, let alone anyone even approaching a Messi or Ronaldo level. Bumping the average MLS salary up another 500k isn't going to change that.
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Soccer sucks. No ebb and flow, no tension, just, oh he made it that time, great.

You getting more entertainment out of batting practice. The majority of a soccer players activity is running back and forth engaging with nothing.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Yeah this part really cant be overstated
For a while this is what people said about Maradona and then Messi happened who is basically Maradona 2.

So basically what I'm saying here is Maradona 3 will definitely come from Argentina.
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Heineken14 posted...
No we wouldn't because our youth system is dog shit. The French league doesn't pay as much as the other leagues, but France produces some of the best players around. England on the other hand pays the most out of all the leagues, but they haven't really produced many top top players, let alone anyone even approaching a Messi or Ronaldo level. Bumping the average MLS salary up another 500k isn't going to change that.
Because France doesn't produce baseball or football players. They only recently started producing basketball players.

The simple fact is millions of kids play soccer every year. As they get older, they transition to other sports. Now ask yourself why that is.

I stand by my statement that if MLS paid what the NFL or MLB does for their players, we'd have thousands of kids vying to get drafted like we do in the NBA and NFL.
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Soccer sucks. No ebb and flow, no tension, just, oh he made it that time, great.

The fuck are you even watching....

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Heineken14 posted...
The fuck are you even watching....

He's not. The people who say this haven't watched football. They are also the same people who are screaming their heads off 15 seconds at a time for three hours at American football.
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JlM posted...
He's not. The people who say this haven't watched football. They are also the same people who are screaming their heads off 15 seconds at a time for three hours at American football.

Yeah bud, make shit up to feel better about your hobby. Fantastic.

Still barely a sport.
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