How the Rot Economy is bringing everything to ruin for short term profit.

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This was over a year ago but, never saw anything about it so here it is. Some segments are," Growth in this case is not necessarily about being bigger or better, it is simply more. It means that the company is generating more revenue, higher valuations, gaining more market share, and then finding more ways to generate these things. Businesses are expected to be - and rewarded for being - eternal burning engines of capital that create more and more shareholder value while, hopefully, providing a service to a customer in the process.

In the public markets, that means that companies like Google, Meta, and Microsoft were rewarded for having unfocused, capital-intensive businesses that required mass layoffs when times got tough, because the market loved the idea that theyd found a way to save money. They werent punished for their poor planning, their stagnating products, their mismanagement of human capital, or their general lack of any real innovation because the numbers kept going up.

They repeat a very specific cycle - company is the next big thing, company is now worth over a billion dollars, company is experiencing unheard of growth (with no question as to whether they are sustainable or profitable), company is now challenging the big dogs of industry, a little M&A, an absolutely insane valuation, and then a sudden realization that actually, perhaps this wasnt a good business at all? I am hammering on TechCrunch links here because I am being lazy - they are far from the only outlet to assume that a company like Brex would not simply run itself into the ground through virtue of existing - but the path is always the same - growth, growth, growth, legitimization, growth, growth, acquisition, and then an eventual reckoning with real life.

As my friend Kasey put it in a recent conversation, growth is a fire. If you build a nice, sustainable fire, itll keep you warm, cook food and sustain life. And if the only thing you care about is how big your fire is, then itll set fire to everything around it, and the more you throw into it, the more itll burn. Eventually, youll have nothing left, but if you desperately desire that fire, you will constantly have to find new things to burn at any cost.

And we, societally, have turned our markets and businesses - private and public - over to arsonists. We have created conditions where we celebrate people for making big companies but not good companies.
Venture capital and the public markets dont actually reward or respect good businesses or good CEOs - they reward people that can steer the kind of growth that raises the value of an asset. Elon Musks success with Tesla didnt come from the inarguable point that he ended the monopoly of the internal combustion engine - it came from his canny manipulation of the symbolic value of a stock through lies and half-truths, meaning that there was always a perpetual reason that Tesla was a growth company and a good stock to buy. Sundar Pichai isnt paid $280 million a year because hes a good CEO. After all, Google has all but destroyed its search product. Hes paid because he finds ways to increase the overall growth of the company (even while their cloud division still loses money), and thus the stock goes up.
The consequences are that these companies will continue to invest in things that grow the overall revenue of the company over all else. They will mass-hire and mass-fire, because there are no consequences when the markets dont really care as long as the company itself stays valuable. Venture capitalists certainly dont mind - after all, its less burn to get you through tough climates that were arguably created by the poor hiring decisions of a company that was never incentivized to hire sustainably or operate profitably.

Until we see a seismic shift in how major investors treat the companies they invest in, this cycle will continue. I guarantee that we will see each and every one of the companies doing mass layoffs do mass-hirings in the next few years, and then do another mass layoff not long after, because they are simply treating human capital as assets to be manipulated to increase the value of a stock. They are not structured to evaluate whether the business is sustainable, because their only interest is seeing their current profits grow by multiples that please Wall Street.
Good companies should not have to repeatedly lay people off. They should not be mass-hiring for fear that the demand they are capturing is temporary, and those new employees will soon find themselves at the receiving end of a pink slip.
The lens through which we evaluate businesses is cracked, and until we fix it, we will continue to experience these punishing cycles of binging and purging on human capital.

This is the problem at the center of almost everything Ive written. Why are bosses mad they cant bring people back to the office? Because their alignment of business success isnt really tied to profit or success, but rather the sense that they are big and successful, which requires a bustling workplace and ideas.
Why did billions of dollars get pumped into cryptos countless non-companies? Because success as defined by capital has been reframed to mean number go up. As a notion, it is divorced from any long-term thinking, fiscal probity, or even what you and I would call morality.
Why did these companies never seem to get blamed for hiring and then quickly firing tens of thousands of people? Because at the heart of the business media and the markets, workers were necessary casualties of the eternal struggle for growth. Layoffs are inevitably reported as a large number (10,000 employees at Microsoft), which makes it all too easy to remove the human element. When confronted with numbers of this scale, its easy to ignore the individual human agony that comes with losing a job. The uncertainty and shame that follows a firing.

The truth is that nothing lasts forever. Companies can (and should) die or, at the very least, understand that there is an inevitable limit to growth, and eventually they must reconcile with being a stable, albeit plateaued, business.
A product may be profitable for a while, but there is a line at which profitability comes at the cost of functionality, and your company may simply not be able to grow more. A business that cannot generate profit is not a good business, and a business that can never generate a profit deserves to die.

And the net result of all of this is that it kills innovation. If capital is not invested in providing a good service via a profitable business, it will never sustain things that are societally useful. Companies are not incentivized to provide better services or improve lives outside of ways in which they can drain more blood from consumers. And the street doesnt care either - just look at Facebook and Instagram, two products that have grown endlessly profitable and utterly useless in the process.
If capital wishes to call labor entitled, capital must acknowledge that it is the most entitled creature in society, craving eternal growth at the cost of the true value of any given service or entity.

More or less...obsession with short term is really undoing everything because no one has any damn impulse control...damn it all.
Is there a point to this?

Also it is ludicrously easy to fire people in the US and always has been. Saw some article a few months ago where a boss fired everyone, and said "if you are one of our non-US employees this is the beginning of your notice period." Because I'm most countries you get a few weeks warning before they fire you, and then a lot of severance.
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Bump since I posted it at a late time...and the point is how the rich are getting to the point where they are making it so that they don't even bother to make quality whatever and just rule by crushing everyone else and giving everyone with no options.
Corpos are not supposed to be bigger than governments. They way to strong and they're only going to get stronger, we're heading to corporate slavery.
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bigbadharry posted...
Corpos are not supposed to be bigger than governments.

In a corporatocracy, corporations are the government.
it's the part we're not supposed to talk about when it comes to late stage capitalism: When profit is the goal, all things, all innovation, eventually becomes a race to "how do we make the most money for the least work"

"but it's a perfect system because people don't like when that happens and the infallible market will correct itself!"

yeah and now look what's happening. People don't like it. And the people with all the capital don't care because they can buy their way out of any proper correction. Wow. If only all competing ideologies and regulations weren't yelled out of the room in favor of this notion that a company that wants money and only money -won't- just be evil at the first opportunity where being evil provides more money
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bigbadharry posted...
Corpos are not supposed to be bigger than governments. They way to strong and they're only going to get stronger, we're heading to corporate slavery.

They're not supposed to be stronger by intent of the government, but it is also unavoidable unless the government has prime control over them. Or I guess in the odd but possible cause of the government being the single strongest corporation.

darkace77450 posted...
In a corporatocracy, corporations are the government.

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bigbadharry posted...
Corpos are not supposed to be bigger than governments. They way to strong and they're only going to get stronger, we're heading to corporate slavery.

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rexcrk posted...
Eventually somethings gotta give right? Right??
Nah, we're heading to a Cyberpunk 2077 future with literally none of the cool parts and all the bad ones.
rexcrk posted...
Eventually somethings gotta give right? Right??

Americans are too cowed. We all will just sit here and take whatever the rich capitalists give us.
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Voidgolem posted...
it's the part we're not supposed to talk about when it comes to late stage capitalism: When profit is the goal, all things, all innovation, eventually becomes a race to "how do we make the most money for the least work"

"but it's a perfect system because people don't like when that happens and the infallible market will correct itself!"

yeah and now look what's happening. People don't like it. And the people with all the capital don't care because they can buy their way out of any proper correction. Wow. If only all competing ideologies and regulations weren't yelled out of the room in favor of this notion that a company that wants money and only money -won't- just be evil at the first opportunity where being evil provides more money


This is a better thought out and reasoned post and argument than the quote in the OP.

Businesses are firing people to stay cash flow positive wahhhhhhhh lol. What a shit take. (The article in the OP, not what I quoted).
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whitelytning posted...
This is a better thought out and reasoned post and argument than the quote in the OP.

Businesses are firing people to stay cash flow positive wahhhhhhhh lol. What a shit take. (The article in the OP, not what I quoted).

do you know how to read
if so use those skills and try again

OP actually walks through how and why people's lives are being ruined, not just handwaiving how terrible it all is
https://youtu.be/gUQG8CL2rfY?si=A48USYKJylqaAvkR
Persona posted...
do you know how to read
if so use those skills and try again

OP actually walks through how and why people's lives are being ruined, not just handwaiving how terrible it all is


Its all based on a shitty and unrealistic premise.

For profit companies exist to make money. They don't operate a charity by offering guaranteed salaries. Public companies have additional legal and ethical standards to their shareholders to maximize profits.

A company should not over hiring or overpaying to the point it leaves the company in bad financial position. If they continue to operate in a way that lessons their profitability they are mismanaging the company, failing to uphold their duty to the shareholders, putting the future life of the company in jeopardy, and all the great things that the author of that piece thinks they should be doing will never happen.

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whitelytning posted...
Its all based on a shitty and unrealistic premise.

For profit companies exist to make money. They don't operate a charity by offering guaranteed salaries. Public companies have additional legal and ethical standards to their shareholders to maximize profits.

A company should not over hiring or overpaying to the point it leaves the company in bad financial position. If they continue to operate in a way that lessons their profitability they are mismanaging the company, failing to uphold their duty to the shareholders, putting the future life of the company in jeopardy, and all the great things that the author of that piece thinks they should be doing will never happen.
At this point, most people don't care about that. People don't care about the company, they care that the companies policies and operations are making life miserable at the moment. People are tired of number goes up. That's more or less the point of this. That and how the entire innovation sector is basically focusing on how to remove the human element from the economy so these companies can just print money theoretically, although that's not really how that works unless they start recycling it.
whitelytning posted...
Its all based on a shitty and unrealistic premise.

For profit companies exist to make money. They don't operate a charity by offering guaranteed salaries. Public companies have additional legal and ethical standards to their shareholders to maximize profits.

A company should not over hiring or overpaying to the point it leaves the company in bad financial position. If they continue to operate in a way that lessons their profitability they are mismanaging the company, failing to uphold their duty to the shareholders, putting the future life of the company in jeopardy, and all the great things that the author of that piece thinks they should be doing will never happen.

Yes, and if you got to the point that the article is trying to make, it's arguing that even from a practical-minded business perspective, these unsustainable business practices are resulting in unstable economies and worse products/services, you know, the two things capitalism is "supposed" to be good at.

Like, you do realize workers are consumers too, right? If workers are constantly being laid off, they're not buying as much stuff.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Yes, and if you got to the point that the article is trying to make, it's arguing that even from a practical-minded business perspective, these unsustainable business practices are resulting in unstable economies and worse products/services, you know, the two things capitalism is "supposed" to be good at.

Like, you do realize workers are consumers too, right? If workers are constantly being laid off, they're not buying as much stuff.

There is nothing unsustainable about keeping operating expenses in check though. The opposite is what is unsustainable.

As pointed out, FAANG and a lot of the SAAS sector had their revenue numbers materially changed during COVID. Responsible companies made adjustments to ensure sustainability. Generally salaries and other operating expenses are the easiest way to get leaner - so thats what they did. Its completely reasonable and good business sense. They reacted to changing market dynamics not the other way around.

Is this bad for the 10 or 15% of employees that lost their job in some cases? Of course. But the alternative is the company in its entirety goes under and all 100% of the employees, shareholders, and the people that benefit form what is produced lose everything.

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whitelytning posted...
There is nothing unsustainable about keeping operating expenses in check though. The opposite is what is unsustainable.

You completely missed the point of the article. It's not just about "keeping operating expenses in check". It's about companies prioritizing short-term growth over long-term growth, which is indeed unsustainable.

As my friend Kasey put it in a recent conversation, growth is a fire. If you build a nice, sustainable fire, itll keep you warm, cook food and sustain life. And if the only thing you care about is how big your fire is, then itll set fire to everything around it, and the more you throw into it, the more itll burn. Eventually, youll have nothing left, but if you desperately desire that fire, you will constantly have to find new things to burn at any cost.
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whitelytning posted...
There is nothing unsustainable about keeping operating expenses in check though. The opposite is what is unsustainable.

...That's not what the article is referring to, though.

The whole damn point is a about businesses caring nothing but about growth no matter what and as a result, their product and the people who work in the companies as well as the consumer suffers.

Cuz when one of those companies do implode, it's always in such a spectacular manner...and the ones who helped foster that kind of environment without care for the consequence always get away with it.
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Thank God Nintendo and exists. They are wierd and overzealous on a few things but damn they have some solid long term thinking and treat their employees better then most their peers do.

Meanwhile Microsoft and most the other big playets fires all their talent and then goes "We need more games, especially like the ones from the studio we just closed"

Nintendo will keep producing good games at a good cadence because they cherish their talent and nurture the next gen of it. Microsoft will continue to flounder and release games irregularly to lesser success bevause they don't.

Reactionary short term thinking is incompatible with a creative industry that has advanced to a point where major projects take 5+ years to get out the door.

Microsoft has the money to think long term but they would rather buy up studios will also gutting the ones they already have or bought a few years ago. IP is good but is useless without people to make it. Mario would be an empty husk struggling to consistently make money if it didn't have talented people behind every major game.
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whitelytning posted...
There is nothing unsustainable about keeping operating expenses in check though. The opposite is what is unsustainable.

I feel like this part from near the start of the post really captures the essence of the idea here. at least in my mind.

Necronmon posted...
In the public markets, that means that companies like Google, Meta, and Microsoft were rewarded for having unfocused, capital-intensive businesses that required mass layoffs when times got tough, because the market loved the idea that theyd found a way to save money. They werent punished for their poor planning, their stagnating products, their mismanagement of human capital, or their general lack of any real innovation because the numbers kept going up.

Yes, they fired a bunch of people, and yes, doing so is a way to sustain the existence of the company itself. But look at it from the other perspective - it's a problem of their own making. Desperate for growth at all costs, they hire a bunch of people. This does not result in significant improvements of their product, it just results in a larger company. But the market sees this and things Oh, they're growing, that's good, buy buy buy! and their stock price and overall worth goes up.

Now, later, they have more people than they can afford to pay. By any reasonable metric, someone(s) high up in the company fucked up massively here. They made an unsustainable misprediction about the future so big that they now need to fire thousands of employees or the entire company is at risk? That's insane. But then when they do this, the market goes Ah yes this is totally normal, they're being smart by firing so many people when what they really just witnessed was mismanagement on a massive scale
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