My Defense For The Criticisms of the Black Ninja in the New Assassin's Creed

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Sufferedphoenix posted...
There is a ass creed game where you play a black woman during the slavery era of America. Had a weird gimmick of changing outfits to alter abilities and what places you could freely roam.

She was a black girl lucky enough to be adopter by a rich white family so she had a high society type dress that would allow her access to most public places but combat and climbing I believe where restricted. Had a slave outfit forget what abilities it gave or removed. Then the typical assassin outfit which let you play like a normal creed game.
It was such a a great mechanic, and I was so disappointed when they axed it in the following games.

The slave outfit was the low profile option. It let you get into restricted areas and run without gaining attention, in contrast with the Assassin outfit where you always had a minimum notoriety so the guards would chase you pretty much on sight.

Basically, Assassin outfit is like Ass Creed 1 where the guards would try to kill you for jumping in place, and Slave outfit is like Ass Creed 3 or so where you just charge around full tilt and nobody cares.
There's a difference between canon and not-stupid.
blackrider76 posted...
https://twitter.com/infinitalecomic/status/1790613158622597382

This was the tweet being passed around, but again, it looks like they were describing AssCreed Memories instead.

Lmao imagine actually sharing a tweet whining about the "pre woke" era.

And is there any proof this Infinitale person actually worked at Ubisoft?
blackrider76 posted...
https://twitter.com/infinitalecomic/status/1790613158622597382

This was the tweet being passed around, but again, it looks like they were describing AssCreed Memories instead.
thanks.

this is my first time hearing about Memories.
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Nukazie posted...
where's the character creation... this is 2024, jesus christ

Generic create-a-character characters don't tend to work in a narrative driven game where the protagonist is a fleshed out character. Not sure why some people seem to think every game should have character creation.
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Enclave posted...
Generic create-a-character characters don't tend to work in a narrative driven game where the protagonist is a fleshed out character. Not sure why some people seem to think every game should have character creation.
Yeah, it's really weird to say that set characters are some kind of relic of the past that we should have evolved beyond
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The discorse would not be the same at all.
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Yeah, it's really weird to say that set characters are some kind of relic of the past that we should have evolved beyond
Kinda smells vaguely like those posts you see from people who really liked one particular game/genre and think everything should be that.

I actually saw once long ago, somebody who tried to push the idea that the main character should never talk in any game. No doubt they really liked Zelda and thought every game should be Zelda.
There's a difference between canon and not-stupid.
refmon posted...
Imagine if an AC game in Africa had a white protagonist

The discord would not be the same at all.
They did this with Resident Evil 5. Predictably, people rabble rabbled about it and eventually moved on.
There's a difference between canon and not-stupid.
refmon posted...
Imagine if an AC game in Africa had a white protagonist

The discorse would not be the same at all.

you're presenting a false equivalence.

if it had both a white and black protagonist, like this both has a Japanese and a black protagonist, that would be different than it just having a white protagonist.
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Enclave posted...
Generic create-a-character characters don't tend to work in a narrative driven game where the protagonist is a fleshed out character. Not sure why some people seem to think every game should have character creation.
I completely agree with your point but calling Ubisoft protagonists "fleshed out characters" is extremely generous.
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Oh my god of course there's going to be a westerner, we know the order of assassin's isn't native to japan so they had to come there somehow. It being either Yasuke or a guy based on Yasuke is cool as hell what's the fucking problem here.
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Foppe posted...
Yasuke.

This. The character in the new game is literally Yasuke, the thought to be black samurai and retainer of Oda Nobunaga.

It blows me away that we live in a time where people are upset at being able to play one of the most popular characters from Japanese historical fiction, rather than being excited.

But here we are. Honestly, my biggest concern is if that since Yasuke is in the game as one of the two protagonists, that the developers do Nobunaga justice as a villain.

The man was a brutal conqueror and monster, and I want to see him portrayed as such.
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There actually was a historical black samuraia pretty famous one too. His name was Yasuke.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasuke

like, I never even knew there was an assassins creed Japan game but even I knew about Yasuke. Hes a pretty famous figure for the era. Like were talking musashi miyamoto levels of fame, here. Yasuke literally worked for nobunaga.
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refmon posted...
Imagine if an AC game in Africa had a white protagonist

The discorse would not be the same at all.

Depending on the era (Romans in Egypt, someone involved in the triangular trade), it could either very much make sense or be a deeply terrible white savior trope.

There would be a lot of talk about it either way, probably.
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Youd think Id have seen Yasuke in Fate/Grand Order by the way you guys are describing him as fame on par with Musashi.

When we get annual events centered around Nobunaga and the feudal period, to the point that they add characters like random Shinsengumi member #27 or the literal shitpost that is Mysterious Ranmaru X (there is an entire planet of Mori Ranmarus who fought for custody of Nobunagas head after s/he was entrusted to it for safekeeping), but Yasuke is nowhere to be seen, I cant help but feel youre severely overstating his importance.
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Intro2Logic posted...
Assassin's Creed is the series where you jump off the tallest building in town and survive unscathed by landing in a pile of leaves. Do I have that correct?
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Pretty funny how this is the first AssCreed game where the MC is an actual historical figure and people are crying how it's inaccurate. Also it's not like the game series is known for its accurate depiction of history. It's all fictional lol

Also it's a fucking game. Who tf cares
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IceCreamOnStero posted...
I completely agree with your point but calling Ubisoft protagonists "fleshed out characters" is extremely generous.
Idk AC characters seem to be pretty consistently fleshed out
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ssjevot posted...
Why are people fighting over this nonsense and not focusing on them making a single player game always online? We saw what they do with these games. It will eventually have the servers get shutdown and become unplayable.
this is why companies stoke the stupid culture war BS right wingers push

it drowns out discussion of actual issues
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VRX3000 posted...
There actually was a historical black samuraia pretty famous one too. His name was Yasuke.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Yasuke

like, I never even knew there was an assassins creed Japan game but even I knew about Yasuke. Hes a pretty famous figure for the era. Like were talking musashi miyamoto levels of fame, here. Yasuke literally worked for nobunaga.
Yes, this is literally the character the game is about.
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blackrider76 posted...
Youd think Id have seen Yasuke in Fate/Grand Order by the way you guys are describing him as fame on par with Musashi.

When we get annual events centered around Nobunaga and the feudal period, to the point that they add characters like random Shinsengumi member #27 or the literal shitpost that is Mysterious Ranmaru X (there is an entire planet of Mori Ranmarus who fought for custody of Nobunagas head after s/he was entrusted to it for safekeeping), but Yasuke is nowhere to be seen, I cant help but feel youre severely overstating his importance.
You are really fucking triggered over this.
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blackrider76 posted...
Youd think Id have seen Yasuke in Fate/Grand Order by the way you guys are describing him as fame on par with Musashi.

When we get annual events centered around Nobunaga and the feudal period, to the point that they add characters like random Shinsengumi member #27 or the literal shitpost that is Mysterious Ranmaru X (there is an entire planet of Ranmarus who fought for custody of Nobunagas head after s/he was entrusted to it for safekeeping), but Yasuke is nowhere to be seen, I cant help but feel youre severely overstating his importance.
Yasuke is of little to no importance in Japan. However, he is of great importance to black people who enjoy Japanese culture, history, and/or entertainment.

No, were not talking Musashi tier of fame. But I bet more people in this topic know Yasuke than Toshiie Maeda, unless their entire knowledge specifically revolves around Samurai Warriors.
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There was even an anime based on Yasuke on Netflix a few years ago. It was called Yasuke.

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BDSMKane posted...
Yasuke is of little to no importance in Japan. However, he is of great importance to black people who enjoy Japanese culture, history, and/or entertainment.

No, were not talking Musashi tier of fame. But I bet more people in this topic know Yasuke than Toshiie Maeda, unless their entire knowledge specifically revolves around Samurai Warriors.

Then say that instead of making up lies to overplay his importance.

TendoDRM posted...
There was even an anime based on Yasuke on Netflix a few years ago. It was called Yasuke.

Yes, and it sucked. It also wasnt even about him or Nobunaga, it was about protecting a little girl from a bunch of mech dudes and one of the bodyguards just happened to be Yasuke. And I dont even remember if he was in the latter half of the show.
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The hatred towards Yasuke is 100% because he's black. In todays world having a Black man play in glorious japan samurai land causes chuds heads to explode in rage. They'll never say it's because he's black but, you know it is. It was always because he's black. That's the whole point of this: they don't want black people to be seen or heard of in-games.

I see numerous posts upvoted on reddit blatantly hating Black people. Like genuine hatred.
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McMarbles posted...
You are really fucking triggered over this.

He's been like this in every topic about it, he keeps bringing up historical accuracy and ignoring that Assassin's Creed has never really been big on that. Dude's remarkably transparent but he thinks he's slick.
Dio posted...
The hatred towards Yasuke is 100% because he's black. In todays world having a Black man play in glorious japan samurai land causes chuds heads to explode in rage. They'll never say it's because he's black but, you know it is. It was always because he's black. That's the whole point of this: they don't want black people to be seen or heard of in-games.

I see numerous posts upvoted on reddit blatantly hating Black people. Like genuine hatred.
Also in todays world, society is defined by reddit upvotes. Ill take that over society being defined by how many people are hanging from a tree any day.
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Dio posted...
The hatred towards Yasuke is 100% because he's black. In todays world having a Black man play in glorious japan samurai land causes chuds heads to explode in rage. They'll never say it's because he's black but, you know it is. It was always because he's black. That's the whole point of this: they don't want black people to be seen or heard of in-games.

I see numerous posts upvoted on reddit blatantly hating Black people. Like genuine hatred.

Just say you want to roleplay as a black man killing Japanese

Thats what your argument s like.
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BDSMKane posted...
Also in todays world, society is defined by reddit upvotes. Ill take that over society being defined by how many people are hanging from a tree any day.

Your point? The racist echo-chambers aren't contained to the deepest bowels of the Internet anymore. This race war shit is spreading and brain washing our youth. Yt influencers are fanning the flames of it purposely getting our youth angry at woke", DEI, etc.

blackrider76 posted...
Just say you want to roleplay as a black man killing Japanese

Thats what your argument s like.

People didnt care about being an Asian male in a hundred different games set in Japan where you play as a white guy like Nioh. Its because hes black lets not kid ourselves. People just project their racial purity shit onto historical japan, imagining it as this honourable monoracial utopia while at the time it was fairly diverse. So no, you're wrong and I'm better then you.
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Dio posted...
Your point? The racist echo-chambers aren't contained to the deepest bowels of the Internet anymore. This race war shit is spreading and brain washing our youth. Yt influencers are fanning the flames of it purposely getting our youth angry at woke", DEI, etc.

People didnt care about being an Asian male in a hundred different games set in Japan where you play as a white guy like Nioh. Its because hes black lets not kid ourselves. People just project their racial purity shit onto historical japan, imagining it as this honourable monoracial utopia while at the time it was fairly diverse. So no, you're wrong and I'm better then you.

People cared a lot about RE5.
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blackrider76 posted...
Just say you want to roleplay as a black man killing Japanese

Thats what your argument s like.
There he is.
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Lol I saw a reddit thread on the Asmon sub and oof, that is a toxic thread.
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blackrider76 posted...
Just say you want to roleplay as a black man killing Japanese

Thats what your argument s like.
Lol did you really try to twist this into racism against Japanese people??
What Yasuke was and wasn't isn't that well known. We know he existed and was a retainer for Nobunaga and that's pretty much it. That honestly makes him ripe for historical fiction.
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lolife67 posted...
Lol did you really try to twist this into racism against Japanese people??

Are you implying that you can only be racist against black people?
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blackrider76 posted...
Are you implying that you can only be racist against black people?

Holy shit he's going full mask off lmao
WingsOfGood posted...
Has Assassin Creed ever had an asian protag before?
Getting upset the character is black is dumb, however if they shafted an asian protag for this that is something.
There are two protagonists in this game. The other is a Japanese woman.
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blackrider76 posted...
Youd think Id have seen Yasuke in Fate/Grand Order by the way you guys are describing him as fame on par with Musashi.

When we get annual events centered around Nobunaga and the feudal period, to the point that they add characters like random Shinsengumi member #27 or the literal shitpost that is Mysterious Ranmaru X (there is an entire planet of Mori Ranmarus who fought for custody of Nobunagas head after s/he was entrusted to it for safekeeping), but Yasuke is nowhere to be seen, I cant help but feel youre severely overstating his importance.

You literally made a post in another topic saying Yasuke was overused in games and media. Weird how you've now changed your rhetoric.
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HashtagSEP posted...
You literally made a post in another topic saying Yasuke was overused in games and media. Weird how you've now changed your rhetoric.

blackrider76 posted...
Its pretty tiring to hear people cling to Yasuke as if he was some major figure.

He had a really mediocre Netflix anime (where he played second fiddle to a random little girl and a bunch of mechs), was a random extra boss in Nioh, and so on, yet people keep acting like he was some badass on par with Nobunaga.

I said he was overplayed in importance, not overused at all. Theres a big difference between making him a protagonist and him just being an extra.

If anything, I said he was UNDERUSED in his own anime.
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This is possibly the weirdest openly racist melty I have ever seen.
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Murphiroth posted...
Holy shit he's going full mask off lmao
Lol
No seriously Im just mad because its not historically accurate! Hes not a super important historical character, and I demand strict historical accuracy from my game about space aliens, ancient virtual reality machines, and popes using golden apples to get magic powers! And WELL WHAT IF YOU PUT A WHITE GUY IN AFRICA?
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creativerealms posted...
There are two protagonists in this game. The other is a Japanese woman.
Yeah, but she probably doesnt look like a blowup doll so theyd be mad about that anyway.
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Also notice how everybody having a meltdown over this ignores you literally get to also play as an Asian woman.

That's not good enough for them, though, because

A. It's a woman
B. The black guy still exists

And thus they lose their shit.
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Then make a waifu Yasuke and a male ninja.

Problem solved.
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McMarbles posted...
You are really fucking triggered over this.
Yeah, Yasuke seems to really bother him for some reason.
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blackrider76 posted...
Then make a waifu Yasuke and a male ninja.

Problem solved.

Really didn't expect you to just blatantly admit it. Well then.
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