This is kinda unfair expectation. This is like watching Captain America Winter Soldier and then expecting every single MCU movie after to be just as good or better when you know it's unlikely.Itd be more like watching winter soldier and then watching Blade lmao
This is kinda unfair expectation. This is like watching Captain America Winter Soldier and then expecting every single MCU movie after to be just as good or better when you know it's unlikely.
Itd be more like watching winter soldier and then watching Blade lmao
Did Kong get cucked again?
They have their own Baby Yoda / Baby Groot. To be fair though, who doesn't?
It's literally the only effort the writer/director/producer put into the film. It's like he brainstormed over subtle ways to make Kong look bad, then phoned everything else in.
Son of Kong released in the 1930s, they were absolutely drawing from that, much like the other movies in this universe have drawn from older movies of the monsters.
They in no way made Kong look bad in this movie.
The rules are pretty simple: if it's silly or cute, it goes to Kong.
If it's badass: it goes to Godzilla
Yeah, bad ass monsters are always getting dental surgery performed with dated tunes playing in the background
Yeah, there's a mythology nod. But they're definitely following the trend.
Godzilla is inherently cooler and better than Kong so your insane made up theory that they're deliberately making Kong look bad would be the correct choice, if they were actually doing that.
They're not though, you're just...being you about it.
Ending MechaG, beating the living hell out of Godzilla , ripping the wartdog in half as well as being crafty enough to bury them, destroying the eel creature in the lake, knocking Skar King's tooth out clean with one punch. But you know Kong can't have badass moments in these movies.
The rules are pretty simple: if it's silly or cute, it goes to Kong. If it's badass: it goes to Godzilla.Kong literally does several Mortal Kombat tier fatalities across Godzilla vs Kong and this new one.
That only counts if you win.
He defeated the lake monster and Mechagodzilla with an axe -- an axe that he didn't fashion for himself, nor is it canon to any other version of Kong. It's like having Batman vs Daredevil and making Batman's entire strategy based around the use of the Bat-Hammer. And he didn't design the Bat-Hammer. He just found it lying around somewhere.
So now we've jumped from Kong has no badass feats to he only looks good when he has a weapon that isn't his. You want to pick a spot and stick to it?
Yeah, having a weapon takes away agency from him. It's not him doing it. It's the axe.
It might be excusable if there were a precedent for it, and if he made it himself, but there really isn't. And he didn't make the axe. He just found it lying around in Hollow Earth. Kong has picked up trees or boulders to use as weapons, but he was never in a fight where his entire strategy was reliant upon a weapon. The same goes for Godzilla.
This would be like if you had a film version of Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson, the boxing dream match we never could have seen in real life. In the first bout,Tyson dominates. In the second bout, Ali brings a bicycle chain to the ring as a weapon and fares better (because he's cheating). But he still loses. In the third bout, Ali knocks Tyson down with a pair of brass knuckles before Tyson says screw it, gets back up, and knocks Ali out a third time.
I consider that burial.
Kong has picked up trees or boulders to use as weapons, but he was never in a fight where his entire strategy was reliant upon a weapon.T. Someone who has never seen Kong Skull Island and doesn't know that most of the final fight has him using makeshift weapons.
T. Someone who has never seen Kong Skull Island and doesn't know that most of the final fight has him using makeshift weapons.
I don't remember that being his entire strategy.Well let me give you a refresher.
Well let me give you a refresher.
-Brushed all branches and leaves off tree to make a bat
-Despite this nearly died in a boat wreck without other humans distracting it with gatling gun
-Needed someone to shoot it in the head with a flare gun
-Repurposed boat propeller tied to a chain as a weapon like the fucking blades of chaos
Dude's been using weapons and needed a third party's help since Skull Island, take this depiction up with Jordan Vogt Roberts if you have beef.
Yeah, having a weapon takes away agency from him. It's not him doing it. It's the axe.
It might be excusable if there were a precedent for it, and if he made it himself, but there really isn't. And he didn't make the axe. He just found it lying around in Hollow Earth. Kong has picked up trees or boulders to use as weapons, but he was never in a fight where his entire strategy was reliant upon a weapon. The same goes for Godzilla.
In both fighting ability and presentation, the Adam Wingard films have been a downgrade for Kong.
I remember him being a powerful, aggressive individual with a bad ass design based upon the original. Before they gave him the hokey old man beard to soften his design.
He is using the axe, the axe just isn't doing the work itself, next you're going to tell me it's not Captain America beating up people its a shield he didnt make.
Godzilla needed Serizawa and a nuclear bomb, Mothra's radiation, Emma Russell's distraction with the Orca, and the entire city of Boston's electrical grid to beat Ghidorah in KOTM but that doesn't all of a sudden take away from the fact he won.
First fight with Godzilla he was Sedated and on a ship with limited movement, 2nd fight he got his ass handed to him, godzilla was getting his shit pushed in by MechaG until Kong stepped in, beat the wartdogs, kicked the 3 monkeys asses using Suko as a weapon, beats the eel, forced Skar King to call his giant Lizard, overpowered an evolved Godzilla enough to knock him out (this fight went back and forth but both got moments), and then kicked Skar King's ass in the final fight. But yeah definitely a downgrade over getting injured by machine guns, almost drowning to a giant squid, getting injured by napalm, and needing human help to fight the big skullcrawler.
This isn't Captain America bringing a shield to fight Red Skull or the Winter Soldier. This is like Rocky Balboa bring a shield into a boxing ring to help him beat Ivan Drago. It's cheating.
Nope, this is still a really stupid comparison.
Why is it a stupid comparison? When have kaiju ever made a strategy of using an external weapon as their sole means of combat? If it's a poor comparison, it's because I chose boxing rather than wrestling. Godzilla films have borrowed from pro wrestling fights since the original King Kong vs Godzilla. Kong's still bringing a chair into the ring and basing his entire strategy around it.
Godzilla, Mothra, Ghidorah, Rodan, and the others are all fighting primarily with their natural weapons. Kong is like, "Hold up, let me get my Power Glove."
There's no "cheating" in a kaiju fight, that's why it's stupid. There's no rules, it's not a boxing match, it's a dumb comparison.
Again, Kong's natural intelligence (one of his natural weapons!) and abilities allowing him to use tools is something they've really leaned into in these movies. Did you pay attention at all?
Yes. That "natural intelligence" is an excuse to say that Kong is outclassed and needs a booster to be able to fight with better monsters than himself. Everyone else is biting, clawing, punching, kicking, or using internal weapons like ice or flame breath. Kong is using an external weapon that he found somewhere -- probably fashioned by an ape more intelligent than himself. Maybe we'll find out in the next film that Suko's grandmother was the one who fashioned that axe.
LMAO you are genuinely hilarious. Natural intelligence in quotes like it's not a thing just to continue to push your insane take.
Good thing he's still a badass monster and you're just...wrong.
This isn't Captain America bringing a shield to fight Red Skull or the Winter Soldier. This is like Rocky Balboa bring a shield into a boxing ring to help him beat Ivan Drago. It's cheating.
That's the point of Ghidorah. That's why he has three heads. He's supposed to be the super-monster that takes teamwork to defeat. Though 1990s and 2000s Godzilla/Mothra films neglected this detail. *grumbles at GMK*
Yeah, he gets outclassed by Godzilla, but he managed to defeat that classic kaiju subterranean hyena monster. Speaking of original monsters, he couldn't even defeat the flying serpent in Godzilla vs Kong without military aid.
Asspull Kong powerups is still trash. Godzilla should always win 10/10 times between them.False. Kong should actually dominate Godzilla based on physical attributes alone.
I didn't know there were rules and guidelines to giant monster fights, I'll check with the Federation of Kaiju for the stipulations next time I watch this movie. I guess Godzilla was cheating when he dragged Kong and Ghidorah underwater since that's not part of his natural ability.
That is the point of Toho Ghidorah, not this one, he would have lost in the water if not for the oxygen destroyer.
I like how you continue to downplay Kong's feats because they aren't against classic Kaiju, when he's only actually fought two classic Kaiju and has moments in both but they don't count because reasons.
Are you sure you're just not a Godzilla fan boy who doesn't like that the last two movies have been heavily Kong focused. I don't even care for Kong and I realize how dumb your complaints are.
If Godzilla's strategy in every fight was "drag them to the water and drown them," if he was helpless on land, I would say that was selling Godzilla short.
Debatable
You're seriously trying to say that the underground hyenas deserve the same recognition as the name kaiju?
That is worth being annoyed at. Why are we following Kong around if he's going to be treated like a chump?
But that's not what you said, you said not using your natural ability is cheating. Water is not Godzilla's natural ability.
Absolutely not debatable, the director of KOTM confirmed Godzilla would have won that fight. Ghidorah is only as threatening as he is in the Monsterverse because of the storm and calling other titans, and Godzilla still needed extra help to beat him.
1) He's using his own strength. He's not calling on an ally to bring the water to him so that he can drown an opponent.
I've constantly based my argument around Kong using it as his primary strategy.
But there hasn't been a time where one of them has been helpless without a weapon until now.
That undersells Ghidorah, but whatever.
Nah according to your original point the water isn't a part of his natural arsenal so he's cheating.
That's not where we started, it's where we got to after you push the goalposts a bit but definitely not where we started.
For the record, in all three fights, Kong has nothad gainful offense against Godzilla except by relying upon a weapon.
Eventually you'll understand that these are portrayals of TOHO Kaiju and not piece for piece the same monster.