I can't see how half the gang were marginalised though? Marston, Dutch, Arthur and Bill were white dudes who rob and kill people
They would be likely be racist people IRL and I guess I think it downplays what the era was like to show a happy smiling "we believe in equality" style criminal gang.
It was a racist time, show that. Make the characters flawed
Bad writing is bad writing.Absolutely correct, but It seems like a lot of these people aren't writers, they're activists. Writing a good story was never their objective.
A character being gay, or black, or female, does not drain an author of their ability to portray characters.
Absolutely correct, but It seems like a lot of these people aren't writers, they're activists.
Writing a good story was never their objective.
Bad writing is bad writing.
A character being gay, or black, or female, does not drain an author of their ability to portray characters.
Don't fucking trauma dump your entire life story because I rescued them from a dire wolf or something. I kill 20 dire wolves before breakfast.Is that only unacceptable when they tell you they're some form of LGBTQIA ( for some reason )?
Is that only unacceptable when they tell you they're some form of LGBTQIA ( for some reason )?
Because it happens with basically every NPC in these games.
Do something - they trust you now - receive information.
Shut up, we've both been here long enough to know I'm not one of those.Then why are you bringing up a video game trope that's been around for (most likely) longer than you've been alive?
Well then, they are a bad writer and their bad writing should be criticized. But it wasn't the diversity that made them bad.I don't think anyone is saying that. It's just that bad writers use diversity as a tool for virtue signaling and pretending like their work is more legitimate. Criticizing the poorly implemented diversity is criticizing bad writing.
Then why are you bringing up a video game trope that's been around for (most likely) longer than you've been alive?
...To describe an example relevant to the subject matter? Why are you fishing for something that isn't there?Because the entire premise of your example is irrelevant.
Because the entire premise of your example is irrelevant.
I don't think anyone is saying that. It's just that bad writers use diversity as a tool for virtue signaling and pretending like their work is more legitimate. Criticizing the poorly implemented diversity is criticizing bad writing.Yeah, this is bs. They don't criticize the writing. They criticize diversity and blame it for the poor outcome. Look how many people complain about something before it even comes out.
I don't think anyone is saying that. It's just that bad writers use diversity as a tool for virtue signaling and pretending like their work is more legitimate. Criticizing the poorly implemented diversity is criticizing bad writing.
Yeah, this is bs. They don't criticize the writing. They criticize diversity and blame it for the poor outcome. Look how many people complain about something before it even comes out.Like the Mario movie, and Barbie, the former having attacks retracted and being heralded as "anti-woke" when it was successful. Ghostbusters, I think, is still a favorite of the "get woke go broke" crowd that claim to only care about writing.
Do you have the same criticisms for writers who deliberately ignore diversity because theyre unable to write it well?Do you have any examples of this?
Like the Mario movie, and Barbie, the former having attacks retracted and being heralded as "anti-woke" when it was successful. Ghostbusters, I think, is still a favorite of the "get woke go broke" crowd that claim to only care about writing.
Ive noticed that women and minorities are not allowed to have bad media. Its usually blamed on diversity. Where is something with majority white cast bombs people shrug and go eh bad movie, whatever.Yup!
Its definitely not equal.
Like the Mario movie, and Barbie, the former having attacks retracted and being heralded as "anti-woke" when it was successful. Ghostbusters, I think, is still a favorite of the "get woke go broke" crowd that claim to only care about writing.
No concern of diversityUnfair.
You need me to find things without diversity and then track down the author saying its because they wouldnt be good at it? No Im not going to do that for you just so you can deflect some more.So you brought something up which you have no examples of just so you could say "ha, gotcha" when I also don't know what the fuck you're talking about? How do you want me to respond to this?
Like an adult whos capable of holding a conversation about the subject at handthat's a tall ask
Ive noticed that women and minorities are not allowed to have bad media. Its usually blamed on diversity. Where is something with majority white cast bombs people shrug and go eh bad movie, whatever.Relevant YouTube video on this phenomenon (it's a long one though):
Its definitely not equal.
The further away you are from systemic and institutional structures that would reinforce cultural norms, the more likely you are to experience and develop your own in a way that may run contrary to what's commonly accepted.
And, in that era, there was no place further away from society than out on the range doing cowboy stuff. That's almost the point of the entire Western genre.
...Wow. Never thought I'd see somebody so against diversity that a group of all white guys with different backgrounds was still too much for them.
What a cheeky misinterpretation of what I was trying to say.
No concept of devils advocate on this board
You literally chose to play devil's advocate against diversity with some of the most questionable posts in the topic. Not sure what you expected, really.
No concept of devils advocate on this board
Less hostility.
No concept of devils advocate on this boardThat's because nobody fucking likes the devil's advocate.
...So, were you playing devil's advocate, or not? Because the entire point of playing devil's advocate is, you know, taking a contentious viewpoint to provoke people. Why would you not expect hostility on a subject like this, when it basically sounded like you were arguing not just against diversity, but in favor of MORE racism?
Yeah I think it'd be wise to just back away from the topic for awhile.
Will do. Just wanted everyone to not hate me before I didToo late, I'm going to build a hate shrine for you. I'll hate your entire descendant line.
You're good man. Board gets hyper aggressive for some weird ass reason, even if I wasn't fully on board with what you were saying.
I was trying to generate discussion on something that always struck me as jingoistic. I even said in my first post the need to have representation outweighs exact historical accuracyYou entered the topic as a self-described "history nerd" and then displayed an ignorance of how many black cowboys there were in the Old West so you could say Red Dead Redemption 2 was unrealistic and inaccurate because white people were friends with black people and not universally antagonistic towards them
You entered the topic as a self-described "history nerd" and then displayed an ignorance of how many black cowboys there were in the Old West so you could say Red Dead Redemption 2 was unrealistic and inaccurate because white people were friends with black people and not universally antagonistic towards them
And then you ignored it when people pointed out the actual demographic numbers of black cowboys in that time and that they held all kinds of positions in society, including some very respected ones
So you can stop talking about how you're just trying to advocate for "historical accuracy" by wanting RDR2 to be more racist