Can someone explain to me the "sweet baby" controversy?

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Current Events » Can someone explain to me the "sweet baby" controversy?
Punished_Blinx posted...
Have any internally employed writers came out and complained about Sweet Baby taking their job?

Kinda seems like the opposite. That they're defending Sweet Baby and that gamers know fuck all about what they're whining about.
That's just it, Sweet Baby hasn't taken anyone's work. They come in after the writer's have finished their jobs and check to make sure they didn't accidentally make a stereotype, or a slur, or whatever.
Revelation34 posted...
By the hour would be an even bigger reason for my argument. No company like that pays by the hour.

So since you understand they're not being paid by the work they do and not being paid by the hour, how are their salaries being reduced by outsourcing this to sweet baby? It sounds like you just want their own employees to do more work for the same pay
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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All along, the 'plausible deniability' Gamer line has been 'we don't mind minorities and women in games, as long as they are well-written and not shoehorned into my videogames'.

So now you have a company that specialises in integrating diverse characters into videogame narratives.

And that forces them to switch to crying 'it's an insidious woke conspiracy!' as they scramble to fix their masks back in place.
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
im for diversity of all race of people, including white people. Once you start disregarding an entire race of people and exclude them from diversity, then its no longer diversity. Im sorry but diversity does include white people too, and many people from this company have said some horrible shit about white people in games. Watch Mutahars AKA SomeOrdinaryGamers video on this
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godofwar596 posted...
many people from this company have said some horrible shit about white people in games. Watch Mutahars AKA SomeOrdinaryGamers video on this
I'm aware of their overt racism towards white people.

But as I've told people before, I'll still enjoy things made by bad people, (ex: So much third world slavery is used as cheap labor to bring us every day products).
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godofwar596 posted...
im for diversity of all race of people, including white people. Once you start disregarding an entire race of people and exclude them from diversity, then its no longer diversity. Im sorry but diversity does include white people too, and many people from this company have said some horrible shit about white people in games. Watch Mutahars AKA SomeOrdinaryGamers video on this
There isn't a shortage of white people in games now, is there?
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
godofwar596 posted...
im for diversity of all race of people, including white people. Once you start disregarding an entire race of people and exclude them from diversity, then its no longer diversity. Im sorry but diversity does include white people too, and many people from this company have said some horrible shit about white people in games. Watch Mutahars AKA SomeOrdinaryGamers video on this
Yeaaaah nah thanks.
godofwar596 posted...
and many people from this company have said some horrible shit about white people in games. Watch

I know of one who ran the indie studio that went viral last week. She worked at Sweet Baby for a whopping 8 months and has worked at EA for a while now.

Who else is there and what's the horrible shit that was said?
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Punished_Blinx posted...
what's the horrible shit that was said?
One of them said you can't be racist to white people

Another admitted to discrimination during hiring practices and purposefully not hiring any white people because "people feel safer around their own kind"
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deoxxys posted...
One of them said you can't be racist to white people

Another admitted to discrimination during hiring practices and purposefully not hiring any white people because "people feel safer around their own kind"
And anyone with even the slightest bit of historical knowledge knows what they actually meant with that last sentence.

Also:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bb115366.jpg
deoxxys posted...
One of them said you can't be racist to white people

Another admitted to discrimination during hiring practices and purposefully not hiring any white people because "people feel safer around their own kind"
Were they responsible for hiring at Sweet Baby?

I thought they were talking about a different project.
'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
deoxxys posted...
One of them said you can't be racist to white people

Pretty sure this wasn't a Sweet Baby employee but a Kotaku writer.

deoxxys posted...
Another admitted to discrimination during hiring practices and purposefully not hiring any white people because "people feel safer around their own kind"

That's the one employee I was already referring to.
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I love how y'all are acting like you give a shit if she was actually responsible for hiring. Let y'all get a whiff a white shelf-stocker somewhere saying saying they wouldn't hire black people, that bullshit would become a silent fart in a strong wind for it's relevance.
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deoxxys posted...
One of them said you can't be racist to white people

Another admitted to discrimination during hiring practices and purposefully not hiring any white people because "people feel safer around their own kind"
Neither of those people were from SBI, the first was a kotaku writer and the second is a literal who from EA and the quote was from long before she worked at EA.
Kai_Laguna posted...
Neither of those people were from SBI, the first was a kotaku writer and the second is a literal who from EA and the quote was from long before she worked at EA.
You're correct .

I got the person from Kotaku mixed up because they're in full force on the defense for SBI. As for the EA employee, I don't know how I got them mixed up, must have been from consuming one story after another.

The only thing off the top of my head that they actually did was Chris Kindred starting the harassment campaign against Kabrutus for making a steam curator group that discovers games made by SBI.
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ArsGoetia posted...
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For the record thats gross. Like really gross.
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Foppe posted...
Can somebody sum it up?
The boy who cried WOKE.
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ai123 posted...


Any evidence that they have reduced employee pay?

Whatever you think of Sweet Baby and the woke in your videogames, this is just outsourcing and consulting. Practically all large businesses have been doing it since at least the 1980s.



They wouldn't outsource if it was cheaper to just use your own staff.

Kai_Laguna posted...

That's just it, Sweet Baby hasn't taken anyone's work. They come in after the writer's have finished their jobs and check to make sure they didn't accidentally make a stereotype, or a slur, or whatever.


Scriptwriting is not the same as checking somebody else's work.

Zwijn posted...

And anyone with even the slightest bit of historical knowledge knows what they actually meant with that last sentence.

Also:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bb115366.jpg


Hypocrisy?
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Revelation34 posted...
They wouldn't outsource if it was cheaper to just use your own staff.

They would if they didn't have the staff who could do the particular job required.

But thanks for making it clear that you have no evidence for any salary cuts.

'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'.
Revelation34 posted...
They wouldn't outsource if it was cheaper to just use your own staff.

It's cheaper for you to do your own plumbing. Do you do your own plumbing?
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Punished_Blinx posted...


It's cheaper for you to do your own plumbing. Do you do your own plumbing?


That's not outsourcing.
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Revelation34 posted...
That's not outsourcing.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/740b16ed.jpg
deoxxys posted...
The only thing off the top of my head that they actually did was Chris Kindred starting the harassment campaign against Kabrutus for making a steam curator group that discovers games made by SBI.
I don't even think that guy saw that as starting a harassment campaign. I think he genuinely thought that curator was violating Steam's code of conduct and wanted it reported for that reason, which isn't harassment in and of itself. Now, as previously stated, it did backfire hard and ended up causing a Streisand effect, so I don't think it was a wise move regardless.

But even if we assume that one employee was acting in bad faith, I have yet to see a compelling argument made against the company as a whole. Even if we take not every female character looking like a supermodel, "forced" inclusion of minority characters and presence of pride flags as actual problems, SBI wouldn't have been responsible for those. That's just ignorant of how game development and writing consultation actually work. Typically the writing/narrative and art/design departments in game dev are completely separate, and SBI only does the former. And you don't hire consultants to add minority representation; they're who you would go to if you already have it and want to make sure the representation in question isn't handled insensitively.
PaperSplash posted...
I don't even think that guy saw that as starting a harassment campaign. I think he genuinely thought that curator was violating Steam's code of conduct and wanted it reported for that reason, which isn't harassment in and of itself.

Report this guys account too since he loves it so much while posting a picture of all the games the guy would lose access to.
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First Im ever hearing about it. Is it a movement calling out microtransactions and how theyre destroying games?
He's all alone through the day and night.
LonelyStoner posted...
First Im ever hearing about it. Is it a movement calling out microtransactions and how theyre destroying games?
Not even close
blackrider76 posted...
Report this guys account too since he loves it so much while posting a picture of all the games the guy would lose access to.
He didn't do that; he just posted a picture of the guy's account so people would report it because he thought he was breaking the rules. It's petty hall monitor behavior, yes, but I still think calling it harassment is a stretch.
Since when is posting with the intent of getting your followers to mass-report not harassment?

Again, he didnt just go after the Steam group. He went after the creator. Thats already blowing past hes breaking the rules!
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blackrider76 posted...
Since when is posting with the intent of getting your followers to mass-report not harassment?

Again, he didnt just go after the Steam group. He went after the creator. Thats already blowing past hes breaking the rules!
I've seen that before and as long as it's done in good faith (i.e. the poster genuinely believes the rules are being broken) I wouldn't call it harassment. That would be more "posting with the intent of getting your followers to spam hate".

I think him asking people to report the creator as well was dumb, though it's still not technically harassment if you believe there's a genuine reason for someone to be reported.
PaperSplash posted...

I've seen that before and as long as it's done in good faith (i.e. the poster genuinely believes the rules are being broken) I wouldn't call it harassment. That would be more "posting with the intent of getting your followers to spam hate".

I think him asking people to report the creator as well was dumb, though it's still not technically harassment if you believe there's a genuine reason for someone to be reported.


There's no way anybody would believe that Steam's TOS was being broken.
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