Why do Apple users think Open Source Android platforms are inferior?

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The main argument I keep hearing about Apple iOS & iphones is that they're super secure & their privacy is important to Apple & they know their data & usage of the platform will be safeguarded while they use it. I can agree to this, but only because it's a closed garden of software & Apple has complete dictatorial control over what is approved to be on the platform. This is fine only so far as in that it's their system, their software, they can put what they want on it.

But to my knowledge you sacrifice customization, ability to craft the system how you want, & side-loading & that sort of access is only very recently becoming possible, & only because the EU government is forcing it. Apple's platform may be high-quality in many regards compared to generic Android or Windows platforms, but Apple themselves have also been holding back more universal & updated platforms for messaging, charging, & consumer usage of the devices.

Open Source does have problems with privacy & security, you will never make any device 100% secure this is a fact you have to live with. Obviously Google & Microsoft don't give a shit about their consumers, Apple 'says' they do, & for the most part it's proven. But Apple holds back universal applications that would remove scenarios like the green/blue bubble nonsense, if they stopped holding back progress because they want to hold onto their walled garden. You can customize open source programs & software to how you want with unique APIs, APKs, & widgets that make your device feel like YOUR device. It can be unsecure yes, but the adaptability of the platform for knowledgeable users makes it 1000% better than iOS in my opinion.

Tech does need to be made more universal for the consumer, make it as easy to charge & customize as possible even if you aren't incredibly tech savvy. Obviously this is difficult, but Apple definitely seems to take an active step in holding that progress back, & I'm tired of hearing Apple users defending it like Open Source software is some dark dangerous forest full of malware & viruses.

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Just curious if other people have this experience with Apple users
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hereforemnant posted...
that would remove scenarios like the green/blue bubble nonsense

To be fair, Google caused this issue in the first place by rushing out technology that was not ready and wasn't even very widely available, and attempted to make it the standard because of course they did. And it was technology that was not even remotely necessary, in the first place, they just wanted to own text messaging as we know it.
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StealThisSheen posted...
To be fair, Google caused this issue in the first place by rushing out technology that was not ready and wasn't even very widely available, and attempted to make it the standard because of course they did. And it was technology that was not even remotely necessary, in the first place, they just wanted to own text messaging as we know it.
Yeah Google gonna Google of course. But open source forks can allow you to disassociate from them depending on the software no? & Now, RCS text isn't all that recent or new, but it's superior to Apple's backbone for iMessage if I'm correct. Same with USB-C even if not recent, being better than the lightning port that Apple has been forcing for decades
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I am more of a Mac guy myself, and prefer iPhone. However, I dont see any issue with android. I think it just comes down to personal preference and what you are used to.
I'm sure most Apple users don't think Android platforms much thought at all. All of their stuff is with Apple and it would take a massive fuck up from Apple's part to convince them to drop all that behind and move to a different ecosystem.

Most don't actually care about their security or data.
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hereforemnant posted...
Now, RCS text isn't all that recent or new, but it's superior to Apple's backbone for iMessage if I'm correct

Nah, SMS (what Apple, and originally everybody, used) is better, because SMS goes over cellular, whereas RCS requires a data connection. Thus, for example, RCS cannot be used anywhere where you don't have data connectivity, and thus texts then just... Send over SMS, like they should be, to begin with.

The "perks" of RCS is that you can make texting more "app-like." Basically, Google created it so that they open up avenues to sell you shit while you text. Obviously, certain sources will tell you that makes RCS better, but... The entire point of regular, old ass text messaging is specifically that it's NOT a bloated app and you DON'T need data. Thus, replacing SMS with RCS for reasons that appear to be to sell you microtransactions for your texts down the road is just silly and unnecessary, since if you want messaging with bells and whistles, there's already apps for that.

Basically, with RCS, you need a data connection and Google's servers just to send a regular text message, whereas SMS just sent over your cellular connection because... That's all regular text messaging should need, period. The problem it creates is Google is trying to force people to implement RCS and get rid of SMS all together.
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StealThisSheen posted...
Nah, SMS (what Apple, and originally everybody, used) is better, because SMS goes over cellular, whereas RCS requires a data connection. Thus, for example, RCS cannot be used anywhere where you don't have data connectivity, and thus texts then just... Send over SMS, like they should be, to begin with.

The "perks" of RCS is that you can make texting more "app-like." Basically, Google created it so that they open up avenues to sell you shit while you text. Obviously, certain sources will tell you that makes RCS better, but... The entire point of regular, old ass text messaging is specifically that it's NOT a bloated app and you DON'T need data. Thus, replacing SMS with RCS for reasons that appear to be to sell you microtransactions for your texts down the road is just silly and unnecessary, since if you want messaging with bells and whistles, there's already apps for that.

Basically, with RCS, you need a data connection and Google's servers just to send a regular text message, whereas SMS just sent over your cellular connection because... That's all regular text messaging should need, period. The problem it creates is Google is trying to force people to implement RCS and get rid of SMS all together.
But wouldn't you want texting interfaces to be more secure or have better features like read/received? I get not wanting bloated app features that slow shit down when you just want to text or send media. I get not wanting to waste data just to send a message & Google's intrusiveness on messaging is fucking annoying because most Android phones don't have proprietary messaging or note taking applications anymore. So it ends up sinking into Google bullshit eventually because it's everywhere & really hard to avoid.
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Because pushing your users to be combatative builds brand loyalty. Instead of being a faceless brand that sells you products at a big mark-up, its your "team". Also why Apple wants you to buy everything Apple, to attach you to the ecosystem. Again, also what Xbox does with GamePass for another example.

In reality, for the average user there's really no worthwhile use difference.
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hereforemnant posted...
But wouldn't you want texting interfaces to be more secure or have better features like read/received? I get not wanting bloated app features that slow shit down when you just want to text or send media. I get not wanting to waste data just to send a message & Google's intrusiveness on messaging is fucking annoying because most Android phones don't have proprietary messaging or note taking applications anymore. So it ends up sinking into Google bullshit eventually because it's everywhere & really hard to avoid.

To an extent, but not if it means replacing SMS completely. Like, if you need to send something secure, you should probably be using an app over regular texting to begin with. Likewise, if you want bells and whistles, there's apps for that, too.

Currently, we have both options. Plain old, bloat free, no data, easy ass texting, and then dozens of app choices for everything else. What Google is essentially doing through RCS is forcing people to get rid of "plain old, bloat free, no data, easy ass texting" and replace it with... Apps. That's my problem with it. It's going to result in LESS options than we currently have, because they're trying to kill off SMS.
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StealThisSheen posted...
To an extent, but not if it means replacing SMS completely. Like, if you need to send something secure, you should probably be using an app over regular texting to begin with. Likewise, if you want bells and whistles, there's apps for that, too.

Currently, we have both options. Plain old, bloat free, no data, easy ass texting, and then dozens of app choices for everything else. What Google is essentially doing through RCS is forcing people to get rid of "plain old, bloat free, no data, easy ass texting" and replace it with... Apps. That's my problem with it. It's going to result in LESS options than we currently have, because they're trying to kill off SMS.
Well obviously I don't care for Google & you don't either clearly, but isn't iMessage kinda app-ish or is it strictly SMS/MMS? Clearly it shouldn't be all app based systems where data or WiFi is required for it, but you can still lose cellular networks too ofc all over the place even in the US when like ~70% give or take have some form of 2G/3G/4G coverage. So we're obviously not at the level where you can do data only messaging, but I don't think SMS will be getting killed off or replaced anytime soon from what I see.

How many people do you know that use Signal or WhatsApp & stuff like that?
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hereforemnant posted...
How many people do you know that use Signal or WhatsApp & stuff like that?
I mean, I managed to get my social circle using Signal
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FL81 posted...
I mean, I managed to get my social circle using Signal
No I use both but I'm asking in generalities how many people do use both instead of traditional messaging
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Android isn't really open source. You can download the source code but you have no way to make a PR and you can't fork it without a license.
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Any customization I've ever done wasn't in the name of fun or personalization. It was always to correct some stupid bullshit that either Google or the carrier was trying to pull. For example, I had to jump through hoops just to uninstall Facebook from multiple phones because of stupid bullshit deals being made with carriers and phone manufacturers.
Eh, whatever.
StealThisSheen posted...
SMS is better

SMS is outdated and awful
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hereforemnant posted...
How many people do you know that use Signal or WhatsApp & stuff like that?

signal not much, but whatsapp is astoundingly huge in Europe
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Texting for my circles involve one of these apps:

  • Facebook Messenger
  • WhatsApp
  • Discord


The only people that use SMS are not in my friends circles and don't have any of the above details. It's actually rare for me to use SMS over one of the above three.
Eh, whatever.
something that costs more is automatically 'better'
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Apple makes quality phones, and I dont give a shit about side-loading and all that

ironically I work as a mobile developer primarily on android the things that make android preferable to develop for are also the reasons i prefer iPhone for my personal phone
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Nukazie posted...
something that costs more is automatically 'better'

android flagships generally have been costed higher than or the same as the top of the line iphones for a while now
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TheGoldenEel posted...
Apple makes quality phones, and I dont give a shit about side-loading and all that

ironically I work as a mobile developer primarily on android the things that make android preferable to develop for are also the reasons i prefer iPhone for my personal phone
Could you elaborate more? I don't quite understand what you mean by that, like which perks or differences specifically if it's your trade
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Reimu posted...
Texting for my circles involve one of these apps:

* Facebook Messenger
* WhatsApp
* Discord

The only people that use SMS are not in my friends circles and don't have any of the above details. It's actually rare for me to use SMS over one of the above three.

Yeah, I feel like the apps are very popular, which is why I don't see any reason to try to replace SMS in the first place, because people clearly aren't opposed to using apps.

Google's doing it to try to own texting in general. And then companies like Samsung love it because it means they can try to profit off of it like they do everything else. I don't imagine it will be too long before you start seeing ads to buy "features" in between your messages.
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StealThisSheen posted...
To be fair, Google caused this issue in the first place by rushing out technology that was not ready and wasn't even very widely available, and attempted to make it the standard because of course they did. And it was technology that was not even remotely necessary, in the first place, they just wanted to own text messaging as we know it.

Apple's adopting RCS soon so the bubbles will be gone anyway. Well, at some point next year they will be.
R_Jackal posted...
Apple's adopting RCS soon so the bubbles will be gone anyway. Well, at some point next year they will be.

They're adopting it outside of iMessage, atleast. iMessage will remain as it is, luckily.
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R_Jackal posted...
Apple's adopting RCS soon so the bubbles will be gone anyway. Well, at some point next year they will be.

Afaik it doesn't change the bubble color, just gives features like high res images, read receipts, reactions, etc.
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I work IT in an enterprise setting and I dont give a shit. I have an iPhone 13 for ease of use because its easy to use and runs the open source monitoring stuff I need. I have not had any issues being alerted to issues with it.

I think anyone who complains about iOS and complains about its limitations is a huge turbo nerd who has never actually worked in a corporate environment. Who the fuck uses their phone for heavy duty work.
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ThisIsAKnoife posted...


I think anyone who complains about iOS and complains about its limitations is a huge turbo nerd who has never actually worked in a corporate environment. Who the fuck uses their phone for heavy duty work.

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I admit I'm also a bit biased as a mobile developer. Yes, iOS is more restrictive to develop for... But when you do, you know it's going to work, period. And, if it doesn't, it tells you exactly what the error is and where.

Android has much more freedom in how you develop things, but unless you have a lot of time, there's a decent chance there will be phones out there where your app just won't run very well, or won't be built for the resolution, or so on. And then, likewise, if you have an error, since it's so open ended, it often can't tell you where it actually is. You'll just get something similar to "sigbrt," which can mean a hundred different things.

Fuck "sigbrt"-esque errors.

EDIT: I realize "sigbrt" is an iOS thing, I'm just using it as an example of the kind of nothing error that is more rare on iOS, but kinda everywhere on Android.

EDIT EDIT: I literally forgot the equivalent on Android is just "sigabrt."
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FaultyCircuitry posted...
SMS is outdated and awful

SMS is adequate.
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Notti posted...
SMS is adequate.
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didnt really read the topic

iOS just runs better. its more optimised and doesnt slow down over time nearly as much as android. apps are generally made for iOS first and are optimised as such. battery life is better because iOS optimises background processes better. you dont need to reinstall the app store every 3-4 days because the cache got corrupted again like you do on android.

its got nothing to do with open source. if android was better id use that instead
ive used both plenty over the years and im comfortable with both
Rika_Furude posted...
iOS just runs better. its more optimised and doesnt slow down over time nearly as much as android.

I genuinely hate whenever anyone says this.
Android doesn't slow down, it's just that users are morons and manage to fill it with bloatware, much like what happens with windows used by illiterate people.
I've had my android phone for 4 years now, did zero factory resets and it's still as smooth as it was day one.

battery life is better because iOS optimises background processes better

Another baseless myth.
Can't put every android phone in the same basket. Some manufacturers have better batteries, some have worse.

you dont need to reinstall the app store every 3-4 days because the cache got corrupted again like you do on android.

Another take so dumb it's not even worth replying to.

I'll give apple one thing. They perfected iOS to be idiot proof. And that's their targeted audience, nothing wrong with that.

I just don't see why would anyone pay so much for a phone. I'm not talking about rich people here, I legit know people who get a new iPhone every year even though they should be spending money on way more urgent matters.

I don't have any mobile operator deals, so I don't get free phones. I'd never spend more than a couple hundred on a phone because it's always one accidental fall away from being damaged or straight up broken.

I use my phone for calls, messaging, some memos, some basic browsing and youtube, that's about it. And like 90% consumers do the same. I don't see the point of buying flagships every year. Especially not severely overpriced flagships.
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People who prefer Apple are clearly brainwashed and dedicated to defend Apple no matter what
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GunmaN1905 posted...
I genuinely hate whenever anyone says this.
Android doesn't slow down, it's just that users are morons and manage to fill it with bloatware, much like what happens with windows used by illiterate people.
I've had my android phone for 4 years now, did zero factory resets and it's still as smooth as it was day one.

Another baseless myth.
Can't put every android phone in the same basket. Some manufacturers have better batteries, some have worse.

Another take so dumb it's not even worth replying to.

I'll give apple one thing. They perfected iOS to be idiot proof. And that's their targeted audience, nothing wrong with that.

I just don't see why would anyone pay so much for a phone. I'm not talking about rich people here, I legit know people who get a new iPhone every year even though they should be spending money on way more urgent matters.

I don't have any mobile operator deals, so I don't get free phones. I'd never spend more than a couple hundred on a phone because it's always one accidental fall away from being damaged or straight up broken.

I use my phone for calls, messaging, some memos, some basic browsing and youtube, that's about it. And like 90% consumers do the same. I don't see the point of buying flagships every year. Especially not severely overpriced flagships.

its not baseless when im basing it off my own experience. You might have had different experiences. Great. I can easily say I dont hate it whenever someone says they prefer a different phone since it doesnt matter to me what phone you use. Thats what I never understood about hardcore Android lovers.
Apple phones being made very entry level accessible for people is definitely one of the main draws like the guy said. You can start it up out of the box, have everything be corralled appropriately, & you have to try really hard to mess anything up. But like they said also, it's not that windows is inherently inferior just because it's windows, it's about having to be smart about the bloat ware & other stuff that can be added if you're not smart about what gets added. Android is the same way, but if you know what you're doing, you can more easily adapt it to what you want because apple doesn't want you to generally unlock & tinker with it the same way, because in their eyes that always creates vulnerabilities or issues
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I just dont use my phone the same way I use my PC. Customisation on a phone is useless for me. I fix PCs and servers all day at work, its good to have a phone that never ever has any issues and everything is built just for it
Shishiwakamaru posted...
People who prefer Apple are clearly brainwashed and dedicated to defend Apple no matter what
What about the people that just like iPhones and dont care about the console wars?

Why does someone have to be brainwashed to prefer something you dont?
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
What about the people that just like iPhones and dont care about the console wars?

Why does someone have to be brainwashed to prefer something you dont?

That post was sarcastic, look at some of the posts ITT
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Shishiwakamaru posted...
That post was sarcastic, look at some of the posts ITT
Honestly its hard to tell with how seriously some people take this stuff.
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Shishiwakamaru posted...
People who prefer Apple are clearly brainwashed and dedicated to defend Apple no matter what

Dude, it's about convenience and ease of use. Most people don't care about it anymore than that.
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I use my iPad way more than my phone, but I could never consider an iPhone until iOS lets me do basic shit like sideloading YouTube Premium alternatives (thanks EU) and wirelessly transfer my FLAC music into the Music folder without iTunes and playing my music in the native apps.

On the subject of messaging, I hate SMS as sending images rarely works and takes forever when it does.
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another CE thread where people think the average smartphone user gives a shit about the l33t stuff they can do with their android lol
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I switched from Android to iPhone this year. I was having a problem with a couple apps that I use frequently.

I have Ego lawn tools and their battery inverter has an app that allows you to monitor power levels remotely via wifi or bluetooth. On Android 11, I was able to use wifi, but not bluetooth. Then the Android 12 update came out and neither wifi or bluetooth worked. I called their tech support for 3 months trying to get it fixed. They kept blaming my wifi even though everything else that is connected to my wifi works just fine. I ended up finding an old Android tablet and was able to update it to Android 9. Bluetooth and wifi worked just fine on that thing, which proved that the problem was with the app. A year after all this, they still hadnt fixed it.

And for work, we use DUO for MFA when we log into network devices. We had a project that involved logging into a lot of network devices in quick succession, so wed have to approve each login as we went along. On Android, the DUO Mobile app would stop giving you push notifications and youd have to quit the app, remove it from memory, then open it again to continue getting push notifications.

The iPhone versions of both of those apps works just fine. About a month after I switched to iPhone, Ego finally fixed their Android app, but I wouldnt be surprised if the same thing happens whenever Android 13 comes out.

I also feel like I had done everything I would ever want to do on Android, so I was kinda bored with it. There wasnt much value for me in rooting the phone since rooting would prevent me from doing things I want to do with it.

Ive made the switch in the middle of making my home a smart home, so Im going to have a mix of Google and Apple ecosystems in the house at this point. Ive got Nest for the doorbell camera, smoke detectors, and thermostats. Im not going to be switching those out until the devices fail. Then Ive got an iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and Apple TV. Im going to eventually get more Apple stuff over time and anything I get for the house from here on out will need to work with Apples smart home ecosystem.
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Akagami_Shanks posted...
another CE thread where people think the average smartphone user gives a shit about the l33t stuff they can do with their android lol
I'm a huge fan of FOSS and don't mind Android but 99% of the time the argument on Android fanboys' side ends up with "but emulators" or "but i can (insert shit nobody in their right mind does, not even in a professional setting here)".
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