What the fuck is wrong with people. Those shots went into the neighbor's wall across the hall. Are those neighbors ok?Watching an interview with the victim. Said the neighbors left 20 minutes before.
I get it's a scary situation, but seems smarter to wait for them to break down the door and then shoot them when you actually have line of sight. Blindly firing through your door and clearly endangering your neighbors needlessly is not responsible gun ownership.
Watching an interview with the victim. Said the neighbors left 20 minutes before.
What the fuck is wrong with people. Those shots went into the neighbor's wall across the hall
also, slap the fucker who shot. he couldve killed the people across from him.Some people will find any reason to blame a gun owner for their reaction to being attacked.
Some people will find any reason to blame a gun owner for their reaction to being attacked.
We can all sit here and judge the guys defending themselves, but could you have acted more rational in the heat of the moment?
Take his guns away and lock him up.
Very convenient of you to just leave out the rest of my post.Wouldn't that mean that the robbers would have line of site and could shoot him? Sounds like anything would have been their fault for putting him in that position. These people were clearly a threat, I don't think he should have had to wait to possibly be shot himself.
Well, I guess you're just living up to your shitposter status.
I literally said he should have waited for them to break down the door and then shoot them, WHEN HE HAD AN ACTUAL LINE OF SIGHT, instead of doing something that would have needlessly endangered their neighbors were they home.
But I know that "responsible gun owners" like you don't give a single fuck about your stray bullets possibly killing innocent people.
It's pretty standard safety training to not just start shooting blindly, to identify and know what you're actually shooting at.
The rules for safe and responsible gun ownership themselves judge his actions.
Wouldn't that mean that the robbers would have line of site and could shoot him? Sounds like anything would have been their fault for putting him in that position. These people were clearly a threat, I don't think he should have had to wait to possibly be shot himself.
Until you're in a life and death situation like this, there's not much to discuss.
He knew they were trying to break in and if need be could have immediately fired once he saw them. He knows what directly they're coming from, they don't know exactly where he is immediately upon entry.
And did they even have guns? I don't see any in the footage.
This is from his doorbell camera so presumably he had visual access to them.
He knew they were trying to break in and if need be could have immediately fired once he saw them. He knows what directly they're coming from, they don't know exactly where he is immediately upon entry.They did have guns. You can see it in the video. They shot back. You don't even know the story, but you're trying to tell people how it is.
And did they even have guns? I don't see any in the footage.
This is from his doorbell camera so presumably he had visual access to them.
They did have guns. You can see it in the video. They shot back. You don't even know the story, but you're trying to tell people how it is.
There's always an unhinged dude in these topics lol
Timestamp it please.1:20 you can clearly see the pistol in his hand
Where? I literally rewatched the video before responding to you.I may have conflated the shooting back with a similar incident, but you can see the gun clearly at around 1:25.
Timestamp it please.
Right. I'm unhinged for pointing out he very easily could have killed his neighbor without even hurting the actual threat.No, you're unhinged for suggesting he should have waited for the armed assailants to break down his door and aim their guns at him before he defended himself.
1:20 you can clearly see the pistol in his hand
I may have conflated the shooting back with a similar incident, but you can see the gun clearly at around 1:25.
No, you're unhinged for suggesting he should have waited for the armed assailants to break down his door and aim their guns at him before he defended himself.
What would happen in the case of the neighbors being caught in the crossfire? Would that just be added to charges against the robbersI'm not sure if it depends on the state, or if it's nationwide, but the robbers could be charged for it for causing the scenario where the gunfire was necessary
What would happen in the case of the neighbors being caught in the crossfire? Would that just be added to charges against the robbers, or could the victim be charged? I don't think there was really any safe way that scenario could have gone, even if there is a hypothetical perfect scenario.The robbers would probably catch felony murder chargers if the victim accidentally shot his neighbors.
Ok, that's my bad on missing that. Thanks.Which was the fault of the intruders. If somone in a crowd was going to shoot you, and you could shoot them back, should you just die instead of risking shooting a bystander? I say any loss of innocent life would be on the other person for forcing to make that choice.
His strategy still ultimately didn't even harm the threat and put his neighbor at risk, were they home.
Until you're in a life and death situation like this, there's not much to discuss.Part of knowing what to do in a life and death situation like this is knowing what to do beforehand , like through education and training. People should know that even though this guy was defending himself, he acted in a dangerous and reckless manner that is likely to get a bystander killed.
There's definitely more this story. Why would they attempt to force entry into a unit they knew was occupied, in broad daylight? Just move on. They must have been after something very specific.No one answered, so they thought no one was home. Most robberies occur in broad daylight because that's when people are gone.
Probably not the pack-n-play, though. I couldn't tell if it was occupied.
I literally said he should have waited for them to break down the door and then shoot themGood lord
Damn, that's wild. Did the robbers have some kind of relationship with the victims that led up to this?No, they were posing as building maintenance in order to rob people.
There's definitely more this story. Why would they attempt to force entry into a unit they knew was occupied, in broad daylight? Just move on. They must have been after something very specific.They were posing as maintenence to find unoccupied units to rob while people were at work
Probably not the pack-n-play, though. I couldn't tell if it was occupied.