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The old rule about incumbents was that if they are under 50 points in approval, they're toast. President Joe Biden is under 40. There's almost no chance he's going to win. I've never heard of an incumbent polling under 40 points who went on to win reelection. When it comes to Joe Biden, three in six recent polls had him in the thirties. In one recent poll, President Biden was at an abysmal 32 percent. Sorry, but that's unrecoverable. You're just telling yourself sweet little lies if you think he can win with those numbers. I know what everyone in Washington is going to say next: "But that's not fair! He passed so many bills. No one has passed this much legislation since Grover Cleveland or something. He passed the semiconductor bill!!" I got bad news for you if you're a Democrat: No one cares about the semiconductor billor any of the other bills that helped his donors so much (and coincidentally, a couple of other Americans as well). Even if you love those bills, no American even knows about them. On the other hand, if you're a Republican, Biden is a God send, especially if you're MAGA. There's no way Trump can beat anyone else. Another poll found that 59 percent of Americans think Trump should end his campaign immediately and quit life. Ok, they didn't say that last part, but they might as well have. I've never seen a number that bad. In that same poll, Trump came in at an abysmal 33 percent approval rating. And how did Biden do in that poll? Worse! He was one point lowerat 32 percent. MAGA should be doing everything they can to keep Biden in the race. He's their only hope. President Biden needs to step down immediately and give someone else a chance to do what they will certainly be able to accomplishtrounce Trump in 2024.

I'm a progressive, so even if I get my wish and President Biden were to step down, I'm not overly fond of any of the corporate Democrats we have to choose from. But if you're being honest, they would all beat Trump with a stick. Not because they're so great, but because Trump is infinitely worse, and the American people know it: Trump is polling at 33 percent, and six out of 10 American despise him. Yet Biden is still losing to him! If you spend any time listening to people in power in politics or media, you'll have heard some version of the talking point that Joe Biden is the only one who can beat Trump. It's nonsense. Based on what data are they making this claim? The truth is the opposite: Biden is the only person who can't beat Trump. My left foot can beat Trump. An open dumpster fire can beat Trump. This is when the D.C. establishment will huff, "He beat him last time!" Yes, Joe Biden won the electoral college by 44,000 votes in three swing states. You know what that means? It means he almost lost! To a complete buffoon who said we should inject disinfectants into our bodies to cure COVID! Biden won by the skin of his teeth to that ignoramusand that was when he was about 10-15 points higher in approval! Let that sink in: He was at least 10 points higher and he barely won last time. Spare me the useless talking point about how he won by 7 million votes. That's true, but if you wanted that to matter, maybe you should have passed the Freedom to Vote Act. But President Biden barely tried. His donors apparently didn't press him on that one. And God help the Democrats if the Republican nominee isn't Donald Trump. Then Biden has a mathematically zero percent chance of winning. Not close. Not within miles of close.
Hey now.
"I'm a progressive, so..."



Also, " Spare me the useless talking point about how he won by 7 million votes. That's true, but..."

Insufferable jackasses, these people.
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Also TYT: "We're not pivoting"
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Also TYT: "We're not pivoting"
While they are pivoting in some cases in this case they are consistent. They have always wanted more progressive candidates instead of the Democrat establishment.

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BlueTigerLion posted...
If you spend any time listening to people in power in politics or media, you'll have heard some version of the talking point that Joe Biden is the only one who can beat Trump. It's nonsense.

I kind of agree with this part at least. Incumbency helps, but at the Presidential level it's nowhere near as helpful as some people think.
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creativerealms posted...

While they are pivoting in some cases in this case they are consistent. They have always wanted more progressive candidates instead of the Democrat establishment.



They consistently grifted idiots that is for sure true
creativerealms posted...
While they are pivoting in some cases in this case they are consistent. They have always wanted more progressive candidates instead of the Democrat establishment.

But is this really the time? The GOP is at the most dangerous it's been in years (possibly ever) and they're suggesting a last minute candidate swap?
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They're not wrong from a manner of perspective but as long as Trump's heart keeps ticking he is the guy to stick with.

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Seems like they believe it's a done deal and Biden's gonna lose no matter what
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Man, imagine how they're going to react when Biden wins reelction and four years from now Harris will be the prohibitive Dem frontrunner.
Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less.
TYT are "both sides bad" progressives. It's not just "Centrists" running around with the logic "both sides bad" and the false equivocation like some so easily think.

Before it gets confused, I didn't say all progressives are like this. But TYT definitely is.
RyukSan posted...
TYT are "both sides bad" progressives.
That's pretty much all progressives. Just most of them realize you now isn't the time.
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The old rule? Just making shit up as they go I see.
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K181 posted...
Man, imagine how they're going to react when Biden wins reelction and four years from now Harris will be the prohibitive Dem frontrunner.
Newsom is taking over.
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creativerealms posted...
That's pretty much all progressives. Just most of them realize you now isn't the time.
So when is the time, iyo? How long should we wait? How long do you think it'll take for the Republicans to pull back?
I can't bring myself to unsubscribe from the Damage Report, because I still like John Iadarola, and so I was watching TYT for a while until Ana's TERF opinions started surfacing and Cenk decided she was more important then most of their commentators.

Really though "we should have someone else" is what all progressives are saying right now.
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creativerealms posted...
I can't bring myself to unsubscribe from the Damage Report, because I still like John Iadarola, and so I was watching TYT for a while until Ana's TERF opinions started surfacing and Cenk decided she was more important then most of their commentators.

Really though "we should have someone else" is what all progressives are saying right now.
And yet when you ask well, then, who ? Crickets.
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lolife67 posted...
So when is the time, iyo? How long should we wait? How long do you think it'll take for the Republicans to pull back?
Republicans are not ever going to pull back. Right now they are a cornered wounded predator. They see their power fading, their time ending and they will do anything to keep that power. They have abandoned democracy to keep that power. Honestly I think if republicans have a couple more huge losses they are done with, there is no recovering for them. And they know it.

In 2016, I had this feeling Trump would win because I saw just how hated Hillary was with people, even those who were generally democrats, how she was a black hole where charisma went to die. I am not getting that feeling with Biden even at his most unpopular he's not really hated. Its more they know we can do better, but he's still preferable to Trump.

I don't see Trump beating Biden. It's not impossible I just can't see Trump winning over independents.
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McMarbles posted...
And yet when you ask well, then, who ? Crickets.
No their answer is "do a primary." Which yeah is still a non answer.
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If Biden wins, we're fucked in 2028. If he loses, we're fucked immediately.

There is no long-term future for America, especially if you are a minority.
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lolife67 posted...
So when is the time, iyo? How long should we wait? How long do you think it'll take for the Republicans to pull back?
Who has a realistic chance of winning against Trump. By realistic, that means a candidate thats not just a progressive darling progressives love. I mean someone that swing voters, Democrats, Independents and even some moderate Republicans who can't stomach Trump will vote for.

Because so far the type of progressive who keep demanding a new nominee, are not seeking realistic nominee that has realistic chances of winning the white house. While they convince themselves their pick is Uber popular with match akin to the 2016/2020 Bernie math.

Or worse, they produce no names at all, while trying to spread the great word "Biden bad" similar to Trumplicans.
GranolaPanic posted...
And who do they want to run in Bidens place? Better not be Bernie Sanders.
Right now they are doing this as there still is time for a primary. It would be a rushed one. Let's face it no matter who wins changes are you tube progressives would hate them as they would be who the DNC picks.
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Reminder: TYT gave us Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin.

They've always been bottom of the barrel trash. Even on issues I agree with their reasoning is often weak.
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Deutschenlied posted...
If Biden wins, we're fucked in 2028. If he loses, we're fucked immediately.

There is no long-term future for America, especially if you are a minority.

Democrats actually have a big bench going into 2028. It's not so hopeless, and it'll be a competitive primary, too.
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Deutschenlied posted...
If Biden wins, we're fucked in 2028. If he loses, we're fucked immediately.

There is no long-term future for America, especially if you are a minority.
How does Biden winning fuck dems in 2028? Biden won't be running again then. Odds are it'll be Newsom and Harris vying for the nod.

And on the other side, they'll either have either DeSantis (fresh off two years of desperately staying relevant since his term will be up in 2026) or Trump yet again , barring him actually being held accountable for his crimes against America.
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If the presumed successor after Biden were a popular Democrat with lots of great ideas that people were eager to be given a crack at the job, then maybe the advice would make sense.

But that person is Kamala Harris.
So...Biden better fucking run again.
If they're going to keep being like this, they might as well invite Dave Rubin back on the show.
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Trump is not winning. Trump is barely staying even with Biden and that's before the general public, who have long since pushed Trump out of their mind for the most part in the last few years, are reminded of who he is.

2022 was a failure for Republicans, in what should have been a red wave, because of Trump. Offline, most people think Trumplicans are kinda off-putting and weird.
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PiOverlord posted...
Trump is not winning. Trump is barely staying even with Biden and that's before the general public, who have long since pushed Trump out of their mind for the most part in the last few years, are reminded of who he is.

2022 was a failure for Republicans, in what should have been a red wave, because of Trump. Offline, most people think Trumplicans are kinda off-putting and weird.
2016 Trump wasn't suppose to win, and we see how that went.

2020, was too close for comfort due to like 4 battleground states.

Everyone who genuinely cares about Trump not winning 2024 should be taking 2024 and the possibility of him winning, seriously in voting. For a candidate at that, who would win over not just progressives.

Because I can tell you what base who will be indeed showing up in great numbers, trumpers.
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tremain07 posted...
Seems like they believe it's a done deal and Biden's gonna lose no matter what


These same people thought Donnie was going to steamroll Biden in 2020 too. They want Donnie to win, plain and simple and they know causing chaos and forcing Biden out will help achieve that.
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asdf8562 posted...
2016 Trump wasn't suppose to win, and we see how that went.

2020, was too close for comfort due to like 4 battleground states.

Everyone who genuinely cares about Trump not winning 2024 should be taking 2024 and the possibility of him winning, seriously.
2016 had so many variables that are no longer the case.
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RyukSan posted...
TYT are "both sides bad" progressives. It's not just "Centrists" running around with the logic "both sides bad" and the false equivocation like some so easily think.

TYT aren't really progressive tbh. They're terfs.
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TonyKojima posted...
Remember they cried about no debates for the democratic primary. They want RFK jr.
No they don't. They anyone to the left of Biden. RFK Jr. Is to his right.

RFK jr is probably the only "democrat" progressives want less then Biden.
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PiOverlord posted...
2016 had so many variables that are no longer the case.
Not enough variables to change what 99% of the polls claimed which was a slam dunk for Hillary.

This propaganda of trying to repeat 2016 rhetoric that Democrats don't have to take 2024 seriously is repeating 2016 all over again. The threat of Trump 2024 should be taken seriously.
Lordgold666 posted...
Why are people so shook trump is going to win? We outnumber the chuds ten to one
Popular vote is not how elections are won.

Winning fun polls that some point at so much, or winning the popular vote in the general election does not matter if you don't win the electoral college.
TYT deserves all the hate it gets but don't make up shit like they would support RFK Jr. That's just not true.
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https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/democrats-special-elections-winning-streak

Lot of fear mongering nowadays using polls. Polls have been irrelevant since Roe v Wade was overturned. It's heavily biased against Dems.
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asdf8562 posted...
Not enough variables to change what 99% of the polls claimed which was a slam dunk for Hillary.

This propaganda of trying to repeat 2016 rhetoric that Democrats don't have to take 2024 seriously is repeating 2016 all over again. The threat of Trump 2024 should be taken seriously.
The polls were actually pretty accurate in 2016 on a nation-wide scale. 2016 taught the DNC to take certain states more seriously. Not to mention, people really didn't know what type of politician Trump would be until after he was elected. 2018, 2020, and 2022, all years based around Trump were not incredibly successful years for the Republicans as Trump's favorability has only gotten worse to the general American since 2016.

Trump's campaign is also going to have to juggle around his legal woes as well which can't help.

2016 was a fluke. Trump can't run on the idea of what he might be like anymore, we know what he is, and every time he comes to the table, he has been rebuked since.
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The polls were not accurate lol. Most polls claimed the election was going to end with Hillary winning.

Whatever excuses someone has for the polls flopping is irrelevant to the problem of repeating the same mistake of not taking the threat of Trump seriously.

The bottom line is, winning fun polls that some point at so much, does not matter if you don't win the electoral college. We have some that seem to not understand just how irrelevant a poll is if the general election is lost.

It doesn't matter how many polls are won, the message should not be, "we are winning in the polls so we got nothing to worry about."
asdf8562 posted...
Who has a realistic chance of winning against Trump. By realistic, that means a candidate thats not just a progressive darling progressives love. I mean someone that swing voters, Democrats, Independents and even some moderate Republicans who can't stomach Trump will vote for.
Literally anyone should able to defeat Trump. If Joe fucking Biden is the only one who can convince people to vote against Trump, then those voters were never really on the correct side and America does not deserve to be. No one worthwhile should need convincing to vote against Trump, to be objectively correct, to not vote for LGBTQ people to be banned from public.

By 2028, this is going to be 12 straight years of "At least they aren't Trump. Right now we just need to worry about not letting things get worse." And the country has being falling further down the shitter every one of them so far.
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Deutschenlied posted...
If Joe fucking Biden is the only one who can convince people to vote against Trump, then those voters were never really on the correct side and America does not deserve to be. No one worthwhile should need convincing to vote against Trump, to be objectively correct, to not vote for LGBTQ people to be banned from public.

I mean this is the problem. Trump is that fucking bad. But, people are idiots and clearly are easily swayed when their hatred is appealed to.
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