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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/09/today-uk-parliament-undermined-privacy-security-and-freedom-all-internet-users
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/19/online-safety-bill-passed/
Cuteness is justice! It's the law.
Will this push the UK to finally kick out the Tories? They can't delay the elections forever.
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is that good or bad
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Choco posted...
is that good or bad

Like most things done by governments their heart is the the right place but its mostly older people writing the legislation who have no idea how the internet works.
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Who is #2 btw. They must have me blocked.
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SHRlKE posted...
Who is #2 btw. They must have me blocked.
Humble_Novice
^ Hey now that's completely unfair!
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the hell is that lmao
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Choco posted...
is that good or bad
It's unequivocally bad, and contrary to SHRIKE's claim, nobody's heart was in the right place while writing it. It's one of those "think of the children" surveillance bills that will limit free speech and kill encryption in the UK, and provide further cover for similar efforts in the US and EU.
Cuteness is justice! It's the law.
Humble_Novice posted...
Will this push the UK to finally kick out the Tories? They can't delay the elections forever.
This? No.

Most people don't care about it, or understand it, they just think it is something vaguely to do with stopping child porn. It's way low on the list of concerns.

The latest possible election date is 28 Jan 2025.

The only way to get one before then is for The Tories to declare one, or for the government to lose a no confidence vote in Parliament. Which would require a lot of turkeys to vote for Christmas.
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Hopefully this collapses and fails like all their other attempts to do this.
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Funkydog posted...
Hopefully this collapses and fails like all their other attempts to do this.
The legislation has been passed. About the best you can hope for now is a poor implementation.
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darkmaian23 posted...
The legislation has been passed. About the best you can hope for now is a poor implementation.
That's what I mean.

It already can't be implemented and the hope is that it just fails and gets shuffled away when OFCOM actually can't do what they are 'meant' to.

Sadly it will just likely mean the erasure of any minority or protest the Tories dislike.
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The UK is so fucked I'll be shocked if they aren't a dictatorship in the next 10 years
A worthless existence
This is what happens when people are too lazy or apathetic to outvote the far right.
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tremain07 posted...
The UK is so fucked I'll be shocked if they aren't a dictatorship in the next 10 years

LMAO we already are to some extent. We've had 3 prime ministers since the last election with two of them being chosen by only a small % of the population. 175,000 based on wiki out of 63 million.
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Humble_Novice posted...
This is what happens when people are too lazy or apathetic to outvote the far right.
The Labour Party support the Online Safety Bill. In fact, they wanted to toughen it up.

https://labourlist.org/2023/02/for-the-online-safety-bill-to-be-effective-the-government-must-grow-a-backbone/

Labour has long called for and supported the online safety bill. We worked with the government, and won significant improvements, to regulate small platforms that cause huge harms, ensuring that extremists cant slip through the net by recruiting people on Facebook and then migrating to smaller platforms. Working cross-party, we argued that tech bosses will be criminally liable for failing to make their platforms safe ensuring that the regulator has proper teeth to get these huge companies to sit up and take notice. As families face the Conservative cost-of-living crisis, we also won victories to crack down on online scams ripping people off.
However, there is no denying that the government bowed to vested interests and gutted and weakened the bill at the last minute. They dropped whole swathes of it, including parts covering many of the harms it was originally designed to deal with.
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Lol. Still at this even after getting chased off the UK board with it
Darren Lacey is granny bashing scum
Humble_Novice posted...
This is what happens when people are too lazy or apathetic to outvote the far right.
The Tories aren't far right, come on now.


SHRlKE posted...
Like most things done by governments their heart is the the right place but its mostly older people writing the legislation who have no idea how the internet works.
Most things? Are you serious?
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Humble_Novice posted...
Will this push the UK to finally kick out the Tories? They can't delay the elections forever.

We've not had an election for almost 4 years. Current polling puts the Tories at losing a massive amount of seats and Labour picking them up.

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Humble_Novice posted...
This is what happens when people are too lazy or apathetic to outvote the far right.
We can't vote people out without an election, and they refuse to hold one

They are on the path to annihilation at the polls however, not that it will change this law as Labour get hard at the idea of total control as well.
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At present we have the choice between an openly corrupt far-right party and an openly corrupt right wing party. One is better on paper, but labour is basically diet Tory at this stage. This country is completely fucked.
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EckyThump posted...
At present we have the choice between an openly corrupt far-right party and an openly corrupt right wing party. One is better on paper, but labour is basically diet Tory at this stage. This country is completely fucked.

I'm not a fan of both parties but where is the evidence the Labour Party are openly corrupt?
punkfanalways posted...
I'm not a fan of both parties but where is the evidence the Labour Party are openly corrupt?
Anti-semitism, opposing unions, kissing up to trickle down economics, exploiting far right anti-immigration/LGBT rhetoric

Labour is "opently corrupt" in that they are right wing and at the pets of their wealthy corporate overlords. With absolutely no care or interest in the people of the country whatsoever.

Starmer has already begun the damage control of "We can't do the things we want to do and have to maintain the status quo because .... well you know." and he's not even in power yet.

They're still several thousand times superior to Tories but a massive lump of dog poo is superior to Tories so it's not saying much.

Diet Tory is an apt description. It's pretty much being kicked in the balls with an iron boot vs being kicked in the balls by a barefoot.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair!
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EckyThump posted...
At present we have the choice between an openly corrupt far-right party and an openly corrupt right wing party. One is better on paper, but labour is basically diet Tory at this stage. This country is completely fucked.
What is the Green Party doing at this point?
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Humble_Novice posted...
What is the Green Party doing at this point?
Lol

Oh, was that a serious question?

Lol
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Humble_Novice posted...
What is the Green Party doing at this point?
Still opposing water fluoridation. Yes, really.

HE1203 The Green Party is opposed to the artificial mass fluoridation of drinking water which is being promoted by the Government. There is conflicting evidence on the benefits to dental health of this practice and major concerns on the cumulative negative wider health effects of total ingestion levels of fluoride. There are further concerns on the links with the chemical industry that supplies artificial fluoride and the compulsory nature of its addition to drinking water that denies consumers choice.
https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/our-policies/long-term-goals/health/
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Funkydog posted...
We can't vote people out without an election, and they refuse to hold one

"just vote them out!"
The mantra of the clueless and misguidedly optimistic.

Trelve posted...
The Tories aren't far right, come on now.

NCloud posted...
This. If you think they're what constitutes far right, then I'm sorry but you're clueless.

Then what are they? I'm not from the UK so I'm genuinely interested.
"The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares
And as always "think of the children!" will do nothing to stop child exploitation but will be very useful for future fascist governments to track down LGBT people (after criminalizing them).

And for anyone who wants to dishonestly claim that's a slippery slope, it's already been made clear by some states in the US that this is their end game. The far right's ideals are pretty consistently shitty all over the world.
"The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares
darkmaian23 posted...
It's unequivocally bad, and contrary to SHRIKE's claim, nobody's heart was in the right place while writing it. It's one of those "think of the children" surveillance bills that will limit free speech and kill encryption in the UK, and provide further cover for similar efforts in the US and EU.

Exactly. Republicans are big on pushing it here in the states (unfortunately so are way too many dems) and, considering how they push for child marriage and couldn't care less about school shootings, the safety of kids is the last thing on their minds.
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Dark_Arbron posted...
"just vote them out!"
The mantra of the clueless and misguidedly optimistic.

Then what are they? I'm not from the UK so I'm genuinely interested.
The Tory Party contains anyone from the moderate centre-right to anything only just short of the violent extreme right EDL/BNP style parties, who are really a hybrid of racist politics and football hooliganism.

Post-Brexit, those on the farthest right have taken control. They put Johnson and Truss in power.

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I find it hilarious when people who's country voted trump in, is removing abortion rights, and uses illegal mexican workers as damn near slaves one moment, then shits all over them the next is fucking judging us.

The country that has people checking children's gentiles to make sure they aren't trans no less.
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Dark_Arbron posted...
"just vote them out!"
The mantra of the clueless and misguidedly optimistic.

Then what are they? I'm not from the UK so I'm genuinely interested.
They're centre-right to right wing. The only far right parties in the UK are UKIP and the Reform party and they both have 0 seats and are predicted to gain 0 seats.

Labour would be centre-left while the Lib Dems would be centre to centre-left (but have formed a coalition with the Tories in the past).
Kimbos_Egg posted...
I find it hilarious when people who's country voted trump in, is removing abortion rights, and uses illegal mexican workers as damn near slaves one moment, then shits all over them the next is fucking judging us.

The country that has people checking children's gentiles to make sure they aren't trans no less.
We're not much better or far off from that sadly.
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ai123 posted...
The Tory Party contains anyone from the moderate centre-right to anything only just short of the violent extreme right EDL/BNP style parties, who are really a hybrid of racist politics and football hooliganism.

Post-Brexit, those on the farthest right have taken control. They put Johnson and Truss in power.

Trelve posted...
They're centre-right to right wing. The only far right parties in the UK are UKIP and the Reform party and they both have 0 seats and are predicted to gain 0 seats.

Labour would be centre-left while the Lib Dems would be centre to centre-left (but have formed a coalition with the Tories in the past).

Fucking really? The Tories aren't even the UK's worst far-right? Shit's worse than I thought.
"The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares
Choco posted...
is that good or bad
Super-bad, if you ever want to meaningfully encrypt anything.
Dark_Arbron posted...
Fucking really? The Tories aren't even the UK's worst far-right? Shit's worse than I thought.
They've absorbed most of the worst right wing parties which have now dragged them to meet them, rather than moderating them.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Anti-semitism, opposing unions, kissing up to trickle down economics, exploiting far right anti-immigration/LGBT rhetoric

Labour is "opently corrupt" in that they are right wing and at the pets of their wealthy corporate overlords. With absolutely no care or interest in the people of the country whatsoever.

Starmer has already begun the damage control of "We can't do the things we want to do and have to maintain the status quo because .... well you know." and he's not even in power yet.

They're still several thousand times superior to Tories but a massive lump of dog poo is superior to Tories so it's not saying much.

Diet Tory is an apt description. It's pretty much being kicked in the balls with an iron boot vs being kicked in the balls by a barefoot.

I asked for evidence. Posting from my alt.
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SHRlKE posted...
I asked for evidence. Posting from my alt.
I hate to agree with UR of all people, but he is 100% on the mark for once.
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Funkydog posted...
I hate to agree with UR of all people, but he is 100% on the mark for once.

Hes not right in regards to the fact I asked for evidence and he didnt post any.
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As I understand this, it wrecks end-to-end crypto, and may even require ID authentication for random nothing sites like gamefaqs.
Questionmarktarius posted...
As I understand this, it wrecks end-to-end crypto
nothing of value, etc.

Questionmarktarius posted...
and may even require ID authentication for random nothing sites like gamefaqs.
Fuck that shit lol
I...I shall consume.
Consume...consume everything.
bover_87 posted...
nothing of value, etc.
yeah who gives a shit about privacy
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Definitely. The overton window in the UK isn't as far right as it is in the US.

While relatively speaking The Tories have traditionally been further right than Labour (although that does seem to be changing again now after the Corbyn years) they are still no where near as right as the GOP \ DEMS in the US.

NCloud posted...
he is, and always has been, a liberal.

Genuine question. What do you mean by "liberal" in this context?

Do you mean he's willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own and open to new ideas or that he's a free market liberaltarian?
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SHRlKE posted...
Definitely. The overton window in the UK isn't as far right as it is in the US.

While relatively speaking The Tories have traditionally been further right than Labour (although that does seem to be changing again now after the Corbyn years) they are still no where near as right as the GOP \ DEMS in the US.

Genuine question. What do you mean by "liberal" in this context?

Do you mean he's willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own and open to new ideas or that he's a free market liberaltarian?
Personally, Boris Johnson is socially liberal. He has no real issues with LGBT+ people, immigrants, people of different faiths etc. Though he is not politically correct in his language (as is typical for people of his type and upbringing). He generally supports green policies, and is not really religious. He's a traditionalist who loves the British institutions upon which his privilege is founded.

He has libertarian tendencies, but I wouldn't call him a libertarian. He doesn't like the idea of government telling people what they can eat, drink, smoke, drive etc.

But Johnson's defining characteristic is his ambition. There isn't much he won't do to serve it, and there isn't anything or anyone that he won't throw under the bus to escape being blamed for something.

When you add that to incompetence, laziness, an unwillingness to deal with tough situations, and a profound level of childish entitlement you have what would have been the worst Prime Minister of modern times.

If it wasn't for Liz Truss.
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ai123 posted...
Personally, Boris Johnson is socially liberal. He has no real issues with LGBT+ people, immigrants, people of different faiths etc. Though he is not politically correct in his language (as is typical for people of his type and upbringing). He generally supports green policies, and is not really religious. He's a traditionalist who loves the British institutions upon which his privilege is founded.

He has libertarian tendencies, but I wouldn't call him a libertarian. He doesn't like the idea of government telling people what they can eat, drink, smoke, drive etc.

But Johnson's defining characteristic is his ambition. There isn't much he won't do to serve it, and there isn't anything or anyone that he won't throw under the bus to escape being blamed for something.

When you add that to incompetence, laziness, an unwillingness to deal with tough situations, and a profound level of childish entitlement you have what would have been the worst Prime Minister of modern times.

If it wasn't for Liz Truss.

Agree 100% on all of that.
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