I'd sooner suspect that there is another explanation. Either some kind of trick, advanced technology, or maybe the person has obtained super powers. In Invincible, there is a girl who can manipulate matter and she can make plants grow super fast among other things
Even if it is from a god, I'd not trust the god. My first thought would be that the god is up to some ulterior motive and could be a threat to the world
No.
Need more than just my shoddy witness account.
that could be any god or demon or alien or w/e. i aint gonna worship anyone for having magic powers.
I already believe in God so it would just be fulfilling Jesus' words at Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even Gods chosen ones
It'd certainly help. Modern times are too far divorced from biblical times, the time of miracles, for religion to survive. Something needs to happen to keep things fresh and even somewhat credible. If it's real at all.^This.
What do you believe you would need to at least deeply and truly consider the possibility?
i'd wait until they start inevitably trying to sell products before passing judgement
More witnesses and more observations within a controlled environment.
Doesn't matter what miracle you do in front of just me. I'll always err on the side of "I am mistaken about what I witnessed"
I normally roll my eyes at religious people saying "Atheism requires faith too!" or w/e but some of you seem to actually be exhibiting that.
You should test "this person has supernatural powers" at *some* confidence level. If you think there's < 0.0001% chance that I can read your mind and I correctly pick (the number you are thinking of out of 10) 1000 times in a row, it's not "scientific" for you to say that I don't have that ability just because you can't explain how I'm doing it. At that point you can definitely reject your null hypothesis at that confidence level.
In this scenario there would plenty of documentation and observations from a large number people including specialists in all sorts of fields. If these conditions were filled than what do you believe you might think about it?
I would concede that this person had the ability to do things not currently explainable by science. That does not mean there is a God.
Here's a video from Christopher Hitchens that explains why doing miraculous things doesn't prove God:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGikGf32FMQ
The tl;dw is that doing a miraculous thing proves you can do a miraculous thing. It does not prove that thing was made possible by God.
Do you think there would be any way generally to make you believe that it was made possible by god?
God would have to give me the power to do it.
What qualities do you ascribe to the god you believe in?
So you don't believe that you could believe it was was God without personally being the one that was given the power to perform the miracles in the first place then?
Can you expand on this a bit more? When you describe this god as omnibenevolent (possessing perfect goodness or maybe all-loving at all times), how would a being that has perfect goodness only do this when "possible while still maintaining order in the universe?" -- What I'm getting at is possessing something like perfect goodness would mean it would apply 100% of the time, not just where possible or as it sees fit.A episode of B5 covered this. Vorlons underneath the "shower curtain" are what ever form you believe it to be. Sheridan and others saw "angels" others there saw something else their race had as a religion. It's pretty much the undercurrent of the show. Vorlons/Shadows Good vs Evil. I'm say there might be a "shepherd" alien race so advanced in RL having the same role
Sure, I'll explain why I'm asking these sort of questions. There is ultimately a flawed approach to describing just about any deity we can dream up. For instance, if a god is omnibenevolent -- this gives birth to the Problem of Evil.
Additionally, we run into linguistic challenges when trying to describe a god. But that's sort of outside of the point right now. We tend to describe gods as just beings that are better than we are. It's always a reflection of us as humans.
In this vast universe (or multiverse) that we live in, I'm sure there are lifeforms out there. There very well could be lifeforms that are millions of years more advanced than we are. Not just scientifically, but physically. So much so, that our descriptions of these beings would quite possibly line up with our descriptions of deities.
Now, after my rambling on about definitions and the universe. The point I'm trying to make is that the Christian God and likely every god we've thought of as humans is such an egotistical view of what could potentially be higher beings. It's a very narrow scope on the actual possibilities that are out there. So, why do you believe in this one particular description of a god?
Last, I hope you do not take this as me attacking you. I just enjoy discussion. We probably won't agree but the discussion is still enjoyable.
If that same prophet attributed his powers to Ra, what would it take for you to convert?