Pic of the incel that pushed two women off a cliff for rejecting him

bsp77 posted...

I notice you aren't responding to me or Gladius. It isn't about which individuals are most likely to hurt women, it is about how incels are a dangerous group , a dangerous ideology .

And note that incel in this context does not simply mean virgin.

I'm not sure what you wanted to me to say in regards to your initial reply.

But As for the other I thought i made it clear I was reffering specifically towards their threat lv towards woman in regards to physical and emotional harm.

Not the crap ton of other things mentioned that's starting to make me wonder what isn't being linked to incels nowadays.

Gladius_ posted...

The incel ideology being linked to domestic terrorism is widely studied and accepted. The bold sounds like disingenuous handwaving.

I never said it wasn't, but that's a separate matter unrelated to what I was discussing.

prison is the best justice for people like this

Turtlebread posted...

Die in jail, perma virgin!

Dude isn't an incel virgin, he has an ex-girlfriend:

https://meaww.com/who-is-alexi-fabrey-troy-bohlings-ex-gf-says-man-who-pushed-students-down-german-ravine-was-never-rude-or-hurtful-to-her

The former sweetheart of an alleged killer has expressed her shock over his crime. Alexi Fabrey, who reportedly dated Troy Bohling in school, said that the 30-year-old did not appear like a murderer when they were together.

Don't get the need to baselesly mock and scapegoat unpopular people. Socially successful people are often assholes too.

codey posted...

I feel like violent rapist murderer is a little more of a biting critique than incel and perma virgin are, TC

Especially when the latter set isn't actually true.

Inohira posted...

Dude isn't an incel virgin, he has an ex-girlfriend:

https://meaww.com/who-is-alexi-fabrey-troy-bohlings-ex-gf-says-man-who-pushed-students-down-german-ravine-was-never-rude-or-hurtful-to-her

Don't get the need to baselesly mock and scapegoat unpopular people. Socially successful people are often assholes too.

Especially when the latter set isn't actually true.

shhh, it gives people an easy target if they assume any violence against women is just incel

What's sad is that this shitfuck was smart enough to do this in Germany where he'll serve easy time. At least for an American.

Women can't even hike in peace, what a piece of shit

I know this board is obsessed with incels....but can you at least discuss them when it's actually relevant?

The guy is human trash, but there's no evidence that he did it because they rejected him. Kind of an important part of the narrative.

Unless anyone would like to post additional evidence?

RuneterranSnap posted...

Mods can you start actually modding jokes about prison rape

If your biggest concern here is people are making jokes about someone becoming the victim of the same crime they tried to commit, your priorities are way out of order.

idk why supposedly smart people itt continue to insist it's cool to shame non-sex-having men when it isn't relevant at all.

berlyman101 posted...

idk why supposedly smart people itt continue to insist it's cool to shame non-sex-having men when it isn't relevant at all.

An incel is an non-sex-having terrorist. There is a big difference.

Trumble posted...

If your biggest concern here is people are making jokes about someone becoming the victim of the same crime they tried to commit, your priorities are way out of order.

speaking from experience the mods are not a fan of the realities of prison

Trumble posted...

If your biggest concern here is people are making jokes about someone becoming the victim of the same crime they tried to commit, your priorities are way out of order.

I'm all for jokes but it is a hacky thing to do to take glee in someone getting raped

Love how like 40% of the posts have been people getting butthurt about the use of the word incel and defending them. That wasnt the point from what ive seen. Dont you care about the victims?

tb333 posted...

Love how like 40% of the posts have been people getting butthurt about the use of the word incel and defending them. That wasnt the point from what ive seen. Dont you care about the victims?

of course. it's terrible. I hope the guy faces swift justice.

__aCEr__ posted...

Topic title really has nothing to do with what actually happened.

Pretty much. Words mean things.

Trumble posted...

If your biggest concern here is people are making jokes about someone becoming the victim of the same crime they tried to commit, your priorities are way out of order.

The guy you're responding to told someone on discord to off themselves because they were buying hogwarts legacy

Dude is unhinged

tb333 posted...

Love how like 40% of the posts have been people getting butthurt about the use of the word incel and defending them. That wasnt the point from what ive seen. Dont you care about the victims?

Nobodies butt hurt, I think some people are more just burnt out on click baity headlines that don't accurately reflect a given story.

And tbh, no not really. It's tragic and awful and I'm sorry it happened but beyond that I'll probably have forgetten about it within a week - same as everyone else.

All anyone is really doing with this information is basically "thoughts and prayers" or putting whatever other comment on it I guess so they can be seen doing it, because every single story or piece of information requires their commentary.

That or pointing out the OP doesn't actually reflect the article. I'm pretty sure most the people that did that wouldn't have responded at all otherwise, they'd have just read the story.

... Who's "defending" the guy exactly..?

ragnarokius posted...

Nobodies butt hurt, I think some people are more just burnt out on click baity headlines that don't accurately reflect a given story.

Exactly.

It goes without saying that people sympathize with the victims and loathe the monster responsible.

Do they honestly think there are people on this board who believe the girls deserved to die? Jesus Christ.

We're just sick of click baity shit with buzzwords like "incel" because we walk into the conversation expecting a certain story. And then we realize this had nothing (that we are aware of) to do with incels.

It's really that simple.

Trumble posted...

If your biggest concern here is people are making jokes about someone becoming the victim of the same crime they tried to commit, your priorities are way out of order.

My biggest concern is people joking and normalizing rape regardless of the context. It's disgusting, triggering for some, and tends to make the world worse.

Gladius_ posted...

I mean, one of the leaders of their movement is an international sex trafficker who himself has no issue getting access to or harming women.

Andrew Tate has no official association with incels and and most self-identified incels don't even like him. The incel community started on the forum "Pick-Up Artist Hate"; they hated seduction coaches for scamming lonely men (believing instead that their situation was hopeless), and Tate's the textbook example of a guy scamming lonely men.

Tate promotes the "red pill," the notion that women love masculine assholes, while the incel community promotes the "black pill," the notion that women are shallow and only respond to looks. Tate considers incels whiny losers who need to improve themselves (by becoming macho douchebags), incels consider Tate a degenerate liar and his "success" an example of everything wrong with modern dating.

Yes a lot of Tate's supporters don't get laid and do hate women, but they don't consider themselves incels or agree with any incel community philosophies (beyond both having negative opinions of women/feminists/liberals), so any link is tenous.

This is the issue being highlighted, wildly different types of misogynists being sloppily conflated.

Sigh, GreenKnight is back?

Dark_Arbron posted...

Sigh, GreenKnight is back?

Uh, do I know you?

Don't know if there's was a dead horse already but some how I don't think the basement dwelling incels are the biggest threat to women, that would require them to leave their house . Toxic Chad who doesn't live being told no sounds more likely candidate.

Seems though to me like incel just seems to be the internet's favorite catch-all insult for any misogynists.

deoxxys posted...

Don't know if there's was a dead horse already but some how I don't think the basement dwelling incels are the biggest threat to women, that would require them to leave their house . Toxic Chad who doesn't live being told no sounds more likely candidate.

Seems though to me like incel just seems to be the internet's favorite catch-all insult for any misogynists.

Hell, this particular killer had the social skills to lure the women to a secluded area before assaulting them. A basement dweller wouldn't even be capable of that, he'd set off alarms right away.

There are photos of him with women on top of him having a confirmed ex, he was clearly socially functional, he's just a terrible person.

Gladius_ posted...

Most police organizations world wide file the entire "red pill, black pill, etc" as part of the incel umbrella.

It's a bit bizarre since PUA/alpha male/red pill stuff heavily predates the incel stuff and the types of crimes the two groups commit often differ. Basically none of the openly incel-aligned mass murderers have ever done any sexual assaults (Tate-style crimes), for example.

Gladius_ posted...

No, I just see them as different factions of the same hateful ideology.

That's basically the case. They're all part of the "manosphere" in which every corner is focused purely on men's interests to the exclusion or detriment of women. I guess I'm just trying to say that "incels" are merely a subset of the group, rather than the whole thing or even majority of it. Painting them as the entirety dangerously takes focus off of socially competent predators, who statistically pose more of a risk to women.

The guy cheering on atrocities for the incel revolution and the guy spamming "free Tate" on social media are actually (usually) very different types with seperate MOs. The former is more likely to target large groups at random, while the latter is more likely to harm specific women. The killer the topic refers to didn't fit the general incel profile, so I wasn't surprised when I discovered he wasn't one.

Basically it's easier to be on guard with accurately detailed pictures of the threat models.