How can somebody like Louie Anderson go his whole life without feeling loved?

i kind of get where you are coming from, and my takeaway is that society has really fucking warped our basic concept of what "success" is

I just think the biggest myth fat people believe is skinny people are somehow happier

joe40001 posted...

More explicitly, "They can never just want to cuddle you and be in your arms because they really like you and truly want to spend time with you. It's just impossible to happen at all if your are a certain level of obese."

No. It isn't.

I know you're autistic but human thoughts and feelings aren't bound by established rules. We don't work that way. Everyone is an exception to the norm in some way.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Your fat people can't be loved cannot exist as a law of the universe because there are countless examples that prove it isn't true.

Are there though? Are there any examples of somebody truly romantically desiring/loving somebody very obese?

joe40001 posted...

Are there though? Are there any examples of somebody truly romantically desiring/loving somebody very obese?

Bruh my high school history teacher was a massive dude with a gut hanging out over his belt and he had 3 kids that went to the same school , his daughter was actually quite attractive.

Oh yea hes dead now but thats besides the point

People dont have kids with people they dont love...

Punished_Blinx posted...

No. It isn't.

I know you're autistic but human thoughts and feelings aren't bound by established rules. We don't work that way. Everyone is an exception to the norm in some way.

Everything is bound by some rules even if the rules aren't clear to us.

I don't claim to KNOW the rules of reality. But insofar as I know anything, I know that there are things to know , and thus I know there are rules.

The human condition can be colorful and full of a diversity of experience. But there are rules, rules that we might not know, rules that aren't clear to us, but there are rules.

FelineCyborg posted...

People dont have kids with people they dont love...

This isn't true at all

FelineCyborg posted...

People dont have kids with people they dont love...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/5/AACZqoAADJCV.jpg

misread the topic title as louis armstrong and had to scroll back up after like 20 posts

FelineCyborg posted...

People dont have kids with people they dont love...

Uh... that's unfortunately just not true.

joe40001 posted...

Are there though? Are there any examples of somebody truly romantically desiring/loving somebody very obese?

Yes there is.

As another autistic person, you definitely need to recognize that your rules are illogical and harmful. It may not feel good to accept your "truth" is wrong, but living in your own reality isn't helping anything.

hockeybub89 posted...

You'd think a genius like TC could figure out anything

The human condition is complicated and nobody understands it fully, I'm making an effort to better understand it.

High intelligence is not omniscience, often it is demonstrated in the method and effort my which somebody seeks to understand that which they don't understand.

Which in the case of me can relate to certain social dynamics, as those do often not make sense to me.

hockeybub89 posted...

As another autistic person, you definitely need to recognize that your rules are illogical and harmful. It may not feel good to accept your "truth" is wrong, but living in your own reality isn't helping anything.

I do not see how they are illogical or false. Nobody has demonstrated evidence that they are illogical or false.

Something being harmful/unpleasant to accept as truth is not evidence of it's falseness. (Refer to the earlier example of innocent child with slow painful disease)

I am open to hearing arguments that an obese person truly can be romantically loved/desired. But nobody has presented such an argument, they have presented the argument that they can be married or dated. Which I conceded from the beginning as their are a-romantic reasons to marry or date somebody.

joe40001 posted...

Nobody has demonstrated evidence that they are illogical or false.

The burden of proof is on you. You have not presented any evidence that your "universal law" is in any way true, yet you are sitting here presenting it as a fact.

joe40001 posted...

Nobody has demonstrated evidence that they are illogical or false.

What would a proof look like to you, out of curiosity?

Like is there anything that someone on CE could present to you that you would consider to be evidence?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

The burden of proof is on you. You have not presented any evidence that your "universal law" is in any way true, yet you are sitting here presenting it as a fact.

Well, for example romance movies/stories are meant to represent something of reality or aspirational reality. And I don't think there exists a single romance movie where the male lead is obese.

If such a thing is possible then it should exist somewhere in media (not as a punchline).

At the very least this points to the idea that "An audience is not going to believe a movie where the subject of romantic desire/love is very obese."

And if the audience can't suspend their disbelief for that (but can suspend their disbelief for far more bizarre things) I think it points to the rule.

I mean we had "The Shape of Water" where audiences bought the idea of somebody having romantic desire/love with a fish-monster, but they can't accept the idea of somebody feeling romantic desire/love for a very obese person.

That feels like strong evidence that it is culturally accepted as a universal rule.