how do casinos stay open if they keep giving away money?

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Because they're given more money than they give away.
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The odds are stacked in their favor, they take in a lot more than they give away.
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PMarth2002 posted...
The odds are stacked in their favor, they take in a lot more than they give away.
technically speaking, the margin's actually pretty tiny, it's just the volume of bets win out in the end. they win like $0.50 extra on $100 of bets for some games

for video slot machines they take like $10 of every $100 tho (and they can just adjust the odds at will, so who knows what you're getting). dont do that. I think craps was the best unskilled game so play that if you have an itch

you can theoretically make money off skilled blackjack but they'll just eject you before it matters
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agesboy posted...


for video slot machines they take like $10 of every $100 tho (and they can just adjust the odds at will, so who knows what you're getting). dont do that. I think craps was the best unskilled game so play that if you have an itch

In local area Canada its even worse, many slot machines must be WCLC compliant, meaning their expected payout is 50 cents per dollar, that's the house taking $50 of every $100. Of course, that's not actually the house taking it, it's the WCLC.
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I tend to feel the odds are against you, but little enough to keep up the illusion, and for the casino to be able to profit well on given enough volume, and enough money in the bank to just keep going, something they have and players do not.
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Sashanan posted...
I tend to feel the odds are against you, but little enough to keep up the illusion

You don't need much to keep up the illusion of the odds being good enough to be worth continuing. The Gambler's Fallacy does half of that work for you, and if you're dealing with something like VLTs it's easy to manipulate most losses into near misses to capitalize on that fallacy as well. Throw in audiovisual cues that make you feel like lots of people are winning all the time, and you've got a recipe for people believing they can come out on top despite the odds of that being extremely slim.

agesboy posted...
for video slot machines they take like $10 of every $100 tho (and they can just adjust the odds at will, so who knows what you're getting). dont do that.

I don't remember the exact numbers because this was many years ago, but I remember reading a study that found that with more traditional gambling machines, for every $100 a problem gambler thought they'd spent, they'd actually spent like $3-400. For VLTs, though, for every $100 they'd thought they'd spent, they'd actually spent $1700, which is a pretty terrifying discrepancy.

joemodda posted...
That's why gambling is so regulated, and its also why governments are gearing towards regulating loot boxes and other gacha mechanics

Indeed. The debate of whether or not lootboxes count as gambling rages eternally, but at the end of the day, the addictive behaviours lootboxes prey on are exactly the same ones gambling exploits. Therefore, the reasoning behind regulating gambling applies equally to regulating lootboxes.
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adjl posted...
Because they're given more money than they give away.

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Every single game in the casino favors the casino. They win in the long run. If there were a game in the player's favor, everyone would play that game.
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Their biggest customers are:

old people with a pension who don't know what they're doing

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Poor people who get government assistance and are already broke but are hoping for a miracle

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dj1200 posted...
Every single game in the casino favors the casino. They win in the long run. If there were a game in the player's favor, everyone would play that game.

Blackjack slightly favours the player if they can count cards (the player ends up with the dealer's advantage), but you'll also get kicked out of Blackjack tables if you do that.
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adjl posted...
Blackjack slightly favours the player if they can count cards (the player ends up with the dealer's advantage), but you'll also get kicked out of Blackjack tables if you do that.
Most casinos use multiple decks, as many as 8, which significantly reduces the advantage of counting. And they shuffle more frequently, which resets any count.
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What he said. Casinos arent in the business of losing money.
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captpackrat posted...
Most casinos use multiple decks, as many as 8, which significantly reduces the advantage of counting. And they shuffle more frequently, which resets any count.

Yep, there are ways to minimize the advantage the player can get that don't involve outright kicking people out (which, while the casino's within their rights to do it, is a bit of a buzzkill).
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Exactly. One way they can minimize a players winnings is to keep them playing. Comp them a room and food. Comp them drinks too to get them making more foolish decisions. Change their chips (ie, you have 5000 in 20 chips, you want 100s and 50s?)
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dj1200 posted...
Change their chips (ie, you have 5000 in 20 chips, you want 100s and 50s?)

I never realized why they used chips in casinos instead of cash. I guess chips are also harder to steal
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