WarGames. The kid is basically the bad guy (computer hacker) and nearly starts World War III because of his playing around.
surely we're better than this.
Return of the Jedi. Terrorists blew up a government base and assassinated the duly elected leader.
The implied bad guys in that are the American and Soviet governments that made nuclear annihilation a possibility in the first place, and the people who decided to turn "Joshua" into a weapon when he just wanted to play chess.
Nice try Imp. He wasn't "duly elected" he orchestrated the invasion of his own planet to facilitate the removal of Supreme Chancellor Valorim. He then manipulated the sympathy for Naboos crisis, that he manufactured, to get himself "elected".
He then waged a war against his own Republic (a crime that surely would have seen him removed as supreme Chancellor) to leverage the Senate into granting him emergency powers.
He used those illegally obtained emergency powers to stage a military coup and overthrow the true legit government, and install his corrupt puppet government.
The Rebels at the time of ROTJ are a legitimate military force, composed of many planets and systems, some of which where never even part of the Republic, attacking a valid military target.
Dont look up is another one I just thought of
Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans (I haven't seen other Gundam so idk how this fits in).It's standalone. Like half the Gundams are standalone (or just have 2-3 seasons with the same cast) and the other half is tied together in the UC timeline.
Return of the Jedi. Terrorists blew up a government base and assassinated the duly elected leader.
Nice try Imp. He wasn't "duly elected" he orchestrated the invasion of his own planet to facilitate the removal of Supreme Chancellor Valorim. He then manipulated the sympathy for Naboos crisis, that he manufactured, to get himself "elected".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwovZY91WOI
He then waged a war against his own Republic (a crime that surely would have seen him removed as supreme Chancellor) to leverage the Senate into granting him emergency powers.
He used those illegally obtained emergency powers to stage a military coup and overthrow the true legit government, and install his corrupt puppet government.
Once the Deathstar was complete he dissolved even that illusion.
The Rebels at the time of ROTJ are a legitimate military force, composed of many planets and systems, some of which where never even part of the Republic, attacking a valid military target.
I need help remembering a movie title.
The ending was like this couple trying to escape a farm house and they got into a car and kept driving down a road. The ultimately would go back to the house they were running from and the movie just ends abruptly black screen and it had me feeling like wtf. Was from like 2008
Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans (I haven't seen other Gundam so idk how this fits in).
By that logic.I know it's very much a gritty morally grey setting where the protagonists are arguably just making things worse for everyone but also it just kind of ends on a downer note.ZetaGundam.
Still elected. Stop trying to subvert the democratic process, you terrorist sympathizer.PO giving major "five year old who just grew out of Barney" vibes
Fake news. Lies and slander.
Legally obtained emergency powers, nearly unanimously voted to him by the Senate.
They're an armed terrorist insurgency, dedicated to overthrowing the rightful government, which engaged in multiple attacks on targets that led to civilian casualties, and which willingly carried about multiple assassination attempts and attacked multiple government installations.
They also engaged in piracy, smuggling, and outright theft to fund their illicit activities, and regularly did business with organized crime leaders.
Being allied with systems from outside the Republic simply makes them subversive enemy agents, saboteurs, and agent provocateurs as well as traitors.
Silence of the LambsHannibal Lector got away but Bufallo Bill didn't and he's the main antagonist of the movie, so I wouldn't count this tbh
Hannibal Lector got away but Bufallo Bill didn't and he's the main antagonist of the movie, so I wouldn't count this tbhI'd sort of count it, Hannibal is definitely an antagonist and a villain, just not Clarice's main concern. So it's like one villain wins and another loses.
The definition of an antagonist is a character who opposes the protagonist.and antagonist has nothing to do with being a villain
Cabin the Woods
Damn, you beat me to it. What a anticlimatic and disappointing ending to a mid film.
and antagonist has nothing to do with being a villain
Well, yes, but also no.Hanniball is a final villain like thanos in endgame. Collecting human meats like collecting infinity stones. He will return Loudness of the GOAT with other known criminal under his command. Teehee
Let me clarify a few things I've learned from over 10 years of creative writing and from my mass media class for college last semester.
So, technically speaking...
An antagonist is simply an adversary to the protagonist. It does not matter whether their intentions are good or bad. You could have an evil protagonist and a benevolent antagonist. Think about Dexter. Dexter is the protagonist and Doakes is the antagonist. Dexter is obviously not a good person, and Doakes isn't perfect but he's not a serial killer, but because Dexter is the main character, he is our protagonist - and because Doakes is actively threatening to him, he is our antagonist. All that matters is that the antagonist actively opposes the protagonist.
A villain, meanwhile, is a character who is evil in a way that is important to the plot, but they may not necessarily be the antagonist. Rather, they may be operating things behind the scene and don't actively oppose the protagonist ("actively" being our key word here) or they may be a secondary antagonist or even a deuteragonist. The only thing that matters is that they're evil and their motives or actions drive the plot forward.
In Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal Lecter is not an antagonist (much less the main one) because he does not oppose Clarice. He may not be a villain in the movie either because his evil actions and intentions aren't what primarily affect the plot between Clarice and Buffalo Bill (rather, it's his ulterior-motives that do). We do see him rip a guy's face off and that's fucked up, but his escape from prison was secondary to the plot because by then Clarice had everything she needed to confront Buffalo Bill for the story's climax. i.e. even if he didn't escape, it wouldn't have changed the plot at that point.
Hannibal Lecter is more of an antihero in Silence of the Lambs because he is a central character who is operating under his own motives and intentions.
None of this means he isn't evil as fuck, because he definitely is - but evil is an arbitrary trait when defining an antagonist. An evil antagonist just so happens to be what is most commonly shown in stories and the term "villain" is thrown around interchangeably, so a lot of people get confused when discussing character definitions.