Every 3 months I get a bill in the mail for around $250

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For water. I have the money to pay for it. But it still makes me sad.
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Think of it less as paying for the water and more as paying for the infrastructure that treats it and delivers it to you.
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$50 a month for water isn't bad
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Damn_Underscore posted...
$50 a month for water isn't bad

Closer to $100, homeboy.
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HornedLion posted...
Closer to $100, homeboy.

You're right, I thought you said $150

That still isn't insane but you should look at your water usage. A family would be paying that much.
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We get charged not just for water but also "what comes out". Is that the case for you as well? Prices are going up for us as well as if it isn't high enough.

adjl posted...
Think of it less as paying for the water and more as paying for the infrastructure that treats it and delivers it to you.

Well that's what's supposed to go towards, whether that's case or not is a whole other story. Mind you, it's an utter mess in the UK atm. Imo the UK Government should never had privatized the water industry.
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Use a river or a hot spring....
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OHJOY90 posted...
Imo the UK Government should never had privatized the water industry.

Yeah, privatizing utilities can be a problem. On one hand, the private sector has incentives to try to innovate and keep costs down that the government doesn't, since they actually need to turn a profit, but that need to turn a profit very often results in cutting corners and jacking up rates to increase that profit, while consumers simply don't have the option to take their business elsewhere if the service gets too bad because utilities so often have to be a monopoly (you can't have a dozen different sets of water pipes or power lines running to every house). The province I just moved away from has some of the highest rates in North America for power, but there are still frequent outages that the company insists they can't do anything about and they keep getting approved for rate increases, while the CEO keeps taking home multimillion dollar bonuses despite failing to do the job customers are paying him to do (provide reliable power) because his actual job is to maximize value for shareholders.
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adjl posted...
Yeah, privatizing utilities can be a problem. On one hand, the private sector has incentives to try to innovate and keep costs down that the government doesn't, since they actually need to turn a profit, but that need to turn a profit very often results in cutting corners and jacking up rates to increase that profit, while consumers simply don't have the option to take their business elsewhere if the service gets too bad because utilities so often have to be a monopoly (you can't have a dozen different sets of water pipes or power lines running to every house). The province I just moved away from has some of the highest rates in North America for power, but there are still frequent outages that the company insists they can't do anything about and they keep getting approved for rate increases, while the CEO keeps taking home multimillion dollar bonuses despite failing to do the job customers are paying him to do (provide reliable power) because his actual job is to maximize value for shareholders.

Yeah, there's a lot of scandals lately about UK water companies dumping raw sewerage into rivers, sea, etc. instead of processing it properly to maximize profits. One has even been found to have money which should have been going to improve/renovate the water system to handle the increased load and instead use them to pay for bonuses for management. Now with that money gone, and being told by the government they must improve the water systems, they want to jack up water rates to force consumers to pay for it. Luckily the rates have been capped to lower than the water companies were asking for.
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OHJOY90 posted...
Yeah, there's a lot of scandals lately about UK water companies dumping raw sewerage into rivers, sea, etc. instead of processing it properly to maximize profits. One has even been found to have money which should have been going to improve/renovate the water system to handle the increased load and instead use them to pay for bonuses for management. Now with that money gone, and being told by the government they must improve the water systems, they want to jack up water rates to force consumers to pay for it. Luckily the rates have been capped to lower than the water companies were asking for.

I think we need to normalize periodically putting utility contracts out to tender. Like obviously we can't have multiple companies running the same utilities at the same time because that's just impractical, but if instead the actual infrastructure were state property and every 1 or 2 or 5 years companies were invited to bid on the job of maintaining it and supplying the utility, that would create incentives to be as efficient as possible, but not leave one company able to hold an entire city's water hostage if they don't get giant bonuses. That would, of course, run into some issues with expansions and infrastructure improvement efforts, since companies aren't going to want to invest in improving the service they provide if they don't have a guarantee that they'll be around long enough to reap the benefits of that investment, but I'm sure something can be worked out with subsidies or residuals or other such things to make it work.
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adjl posted...
I think we need to normalize periodically putting utility contracts out to tender. Like obviously we can't have multiple companies running the same utilities at the same time because that's just impractical, but if instead the actual infrastructure were state property and every 1 or 2 or 5 years companies were invited to bid on the job of maintaining it and supplying the utility, that would create incentives to be as efficient as possible, but not leave one company able to hold an entire city's water hostage if they don't get giant bonuses. That would, of course, run into some issues with expansions and infrastructure improvement efforts, since companies aren't going to want to invest in improving the service they provide if they don't have a guarantee that they'll be around long enough to reap the benefits of that investment, but I'm sure something can be worked out with subsidies or residuals or other such things to make it work.

IIRC the UK Government contracts them out, and if the companies don't adhere to the contract the government reserves the right to rescind the contract, at which point they can either give the contract to another company or nationalise it, which is what they've been threatening to do with some of the worse train companies for a while now, supposedly they'll start re-nationalising the railways this year, allowing each companies contract to expire first.
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