Are the Game Grumps accurate representations of the average gamer?

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Arin and Dan are different in some ways and similar in others. Do you they are accurate representations of the average gamer?
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lol no

average gamers actually care about what they're playing. dan is clearly along for the ride and arin is an oblivious idiot in 90% of their gameplays. they're both clearly more performers than they are anything gaming related. jon was more of a gamer than either of them but even he's left that far behind long ago tbh.
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arin is, dan is not

you can tell when arin is just hamming it up and when he's actually focused on doing the thing. the bloodborne playthrough is proof enough of that.
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gamers at least attempt to read the tutorial and pay attention to cutscenes.
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Gamers are actually capable of playing games well.
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
arin is, dan is not

you can tell when arin is just hamming it up and when he's actually focused on doing the thing. the bloodborne playthrough is proof enough of that.

It's hilarious to me how well Arin does with Souls-Like games on the show comparatively to everything else. It makes me wonder how much he's just acting dumb for the camera. I'm pretty sure he finds pleasure in infuriating the audience.

And Dan is a selective gamer. He actually plays the games on the show so rarely, but there are a few that are in his wheelhouse. Zelda games are typically one of those, and when Arin's out and he's left to his own devices, he'll go with a Sierra Adventure Game.
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
gamers at least attempt to read the tutorial and pay attention to cutscenes.

In my experience, many of them don't.

SO MANY questions on the gameboards or on other sites basically boil down to "I skipped through the tutorial because I wanted to get to the action, and now I don't know how to do [incredibly obvious thing the tutorial definitely explained]".

And people constantly skip cutscenes. And complain about cutscenes being a thing in the first place. And speed through tons of text boxes. And then wonder why they have no idea what's going on in the story-intensive RPG they're playing.

If anything, that's more of a "gamer" behavior than a casual one, because most casuals are more paranoid about missing something important and so are more likely to pay attention. They're just also more likely to forget what they've been told because they're less invested/have less time to play, and thus get distracted from the game more easily.



GanonsSpirit posted...
Gamers are actually capable of playing games well.

That might be an optimistic assumption as well.

There's plenty of gamers who aren't necessarily good at games. Especially depending on the specific gamer in question, and the specific game.
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Salrite posted...
It's hilarious to me how well Arin does with Souls-Like games on the show comparatively to everything else. It makes me wonder how much he's just acting dumb for the camera. I'm pretty sure he finds pleasure in infuriating the audience.

And Dan is a selective gamer. He actually plays the games on the show so rarely, but there are a few that are in his wheelhouse. Zelda games are typically one of those, and when Arin's out and he's left to his own devices, he'll go with a Sierra Adventure Game.

yeah, and arin did all of those mario maker stages, a lot of which are considered some of the most difficult that aren't just pure kaizo

like arin has the capacity to actually be good at games
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ConfusedTorchic posted...
yeah, and arin did all of those mario maker stages, a lot of which are considered some of the most difficult that aren't just pure kaizo

like arin has the capacity to actually be good at games

Arin is so incredibly bad at Zelda games though that it drives me insane. They stopped their Majora's Mask playthrough for years because he couldn't beat a miniboss, which easily would be beaten if he either just kept his distance from the miniboss or ever bothered to use his shield.
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arin is why i stopped watching, other than general lack of interest. he's good on occasion but when he's not he's aggravatingly bad and stupid. his sense of humor is also obnoxious. i do remember him being weirdly good at mario maker though.

dan's great though tbh. just a chill dude that's easy to listen to.
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I find it strange to approach The Grumps, or even any "Video Game Youtuber" from a perspective of how good they are at the game. They're entertainers and the game is just the medium they use. Yes, Arin's lack of spacial awareness and inability to follow directions is incredibly frustrating, but that's just part of the show. Dan is the counter to him, being a chill bro that tries to guide him, even if he doesn't have all the answers.

It makes me wonder how the show would have turned out if Jon stuck around until now.
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fettster777 posted...
I have no idea who the fuck you're even talking about. Probably some gen alpha shit.

gen alpha started two years before game grumps started, don't think a bunch of dick and fart jokes were meant for an audience that could only be 2 years old max at the time.
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faramir77 posted...
Arin is so incredibly bad at Zelda games though that it drives me insane. They stopped their Majora's Mask playthrough for years because he couldn't beat a miniboss, which easily would be beaten if he either just kept his distance from the miniboss or ever bothered to use his shield.

The Tears of the Kingdom playthrough was some of the funniest shit they've done because of this. Arin building cockamamie contraptions that fail spectacularly, Arin plummeting to his death, repeatedly, because he forgot the glider button in between their last play session after their tour, Arin somehow failing forward and having moments of accidental genius with the shrine puzzles. It was one of my favorites.
faramir77 posted...
Arin is so incredibly bad at Zelda games though that it drives me insane. They stopped their Majora's Mask playthrough for years because he couldn't beat a miniboss, which easily would be beaten if he either just kept his distance from the miniboss or ever bothered to use his shield.
His fight against Ganon at the end of Ocarina of Time was infuriating too. Hes the easiest boss in the world if you are actually capable of remembering that you have light arrows, the one item that is the answer to EVERYTHING in the last dungeon as well as the previous boss.

Instead, he struggled and blamed the game for it. I love the Game Grumps but Arin can be infuriating at times.
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...
His fight against Ganon at the end of Ocarina of Time was infuriating too. Hes the easiest boss in the world if you are actually capable of remembering that you have light arrows, the one item that is the answer to EVERYTHING in the last dungeon as well as the previous boss.

Instead, he struggled and blamed the game for it. I love the Game Grumps but Arin can be infuriating at times.

Remember when he made his video essay as Egoraptor on why Ocarina of Time is a bad game? Those weren't just salty bad gamer opinions...
tbh i prefer oneyplays. they're still bad at a lot of what they play, but in a fun way. i don't really watch gaming channels much anymore, i think the rooster teeth/funhaus implosion turned me off from the whole thing.
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SeahorseCpt89 posted...
His fight against Ganon at the end of Ocarina of Time was infuriating too. Hes the easiest boss in the world if you are actually capable of remembering that you have light arrows, the one item that is the answer to EVERYTHING in the last dungeon as well as the previous boss.

Instead, he struggled and blamed the game for it. I love the Game Grumps but Arin can be infuriating at times.

I forget how this boss works exactly. The first part you knock Ganondorf's blasts back and forth until you hit him, then damage him when he's weakened from the blast. In the second part against Super Ganon, you just roll under him and attack his weak point for massive damage until you win

Unless there are other parts that I have forgotten, those fights are a perfect level of challenge in a Zelda game IMO. Arin "High School Dropout" Hanson is just dumb like people have been saying
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Arin "High School Dropout" Hanson is just dumb like people have been saying

A High School dropout that built his own successful company. That's actually pretty impressive.
no, he kept trying to roll under ganon in the second part but kept getting caught on wonky geometry

it's the first part where you need light arrows, he did that just fine.
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Salrite posted...
A High School dropout that built his own successful company. That's actually pretty impressive.

In all seriousness, he was in the right place in the right time. I don't hate him for that, a lot of people are in the right place at the right time while others just aren't and have shitty lives. Good for him, but he's really lucky he's not working in a Walmart or McDonald's right now. I just hope he's self-aware
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Damn_Underscore posted...
I just hope he's self-aware
doubtful considering every time i seem to hear about him from people he used to hang with there seems to be some weird drama involved.

was kinda cool to see him (and ross) briefly at the end of jon's star wars thing a few years back though. i don't really mean to shit on him so much, he was legitimately talented in animation and voice acting.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
In all seriousness, he was in the right place in the right time. I don't hate him for that, a lot of people are in the right place at the right time while others just aren't and have shitty lives. Good for him, but he's really lucky he's not working in a Walmart or McDonald's right now. I just hope he's self-aware

I really believe it's more than that. He absolutely had the drive starting out, being an aspiring animator and voice actor. Yeah, he also was very fortunate to gain as many colleagues along the way to help him out. But to say it was all luck is reductive. He put in the work and he deserves his success.
Dan is the casual gamer who wants to have a good time with friends, or enjoy a well-paced, detailed story.

Arin is a reactionary, impatient gamer who can't read instructions and hates games with multiple layers of mechanics because he doesn't take the time to understand them.

Both are valid "average gamer" archetypes, but there are many other types who exist beyond them.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Good for him, but he's really lucky he's not working in a Walmart or McDonald's right now. I just hope he's self-aware
Right place, right time, with the talents and passion to make something of it. Game Grumps is just one of the things he's done. He was also a very talented animator on Newgrounds in the early days of widespread internet content creation. So yeah, right place right time is a factor there, but he was recognized for his animation talent and quotable quotes more so than just being "another guy who uploads content."

He leveraged his Egoraptor persona very well into Game Grumps and continued to make quotable sound bytes while drastically reducing the turnaround on new content by removing animation from the equation.

I'd say that there are tons of other people who started in the same place at the same time as him, but he rose to the top of the pile because he also had the talent to make it work.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
I'd say that there are tons of other people who started in the same place at the same time as him, but he rose to the top of the pile because he also had the talent to make it work.
i think that's one of the reasons he bugs me. he was so good at what he used to do but he just dropped it all to be annoying and bad at something. at the same time though.. yeah i'd probably give in to temptation there too.

does he animate at all anymore? at least oney dips into it every now and then. not sure wtf is happening with the game he was making though.
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I don't think Game Grumps became popular necessarily because Arin was EgoRaptor. I'm talking about his success with Game Grumps that he lucked out on.
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Damn_Underscore posted...
I forget how this boss works exactly. The first part you knock Ganondorf's blasts back and forth until you hit him, then damage him when he's weakened from the blast. In the second part against Super Ganon, you just roll under him and attack his weak point for massive damage until you win

Unless there are other parts that I have forgotten, those fights are a perfect level of challenge in a Zelda game IMO. Arin "High School Dropout" Hanson is just dumb like people have been saying
Shooting him in the face with light arrows will stun him, giving you plenty of time to circle around and hit his tail.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Arin is a reactionary, impatient gamer who can't read instructions and hates games with multiple layers of mechanics because he doesn't take the time to understand them.

To be fair, he has claimed to play games very differently on and off camera. Of course he's going to ham it up for the show. But he does feel like he has contradictory opinions on game design at times. But really, is that so different than most people?

Nade_Duck posted...
does he animate at all anymore? at least oney dips into it every now and then. not sure wtf is happening with the game he was making though.

I think he does very very seldomly. I think there was a new animation from him relatively recently on his Egoraptor channel (oh geez, two years ago now). It's funny, he doesn't even animate the videos for Starbomb. But as far as voice acting goes, he's still on the grind with that with whatever time he has outside of Game Grumps. And keep in mind, Game Grumps as an IP is much much more than just recording the gameplay videos for the primary channel. Starbomb, The Grumps live action channel, yearly tours, a game studio, etc.
People would like him more if he played games normally...
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Then they wouldn't be the Game Grumps. They'd just be the Game Guys.
i dunno, AVGN did/does the grumpy gamer thing pretty well without being awful and obnoxious.

assuming you don't hate his gimmick at this point. he's kind of a hard dude to hate though imo.
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avgn has been awful and obnoxious since the very beginning

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When you watch old AVGN episodes, a lot of them are just as much comedy acts as they are gaming videos
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Damn_Underscore posted...
When you watch old AVGN episodes, a lot of them are just as much comedy acts as they are gaming videos

He's definitely one of the main people responsible for the "Game/Movie reviewers who are actually trying to be sketch comedy performers" genre which was popular in the late 2000s, early 2010s on YouTube.

For better or worse, lol
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